"Ian Bell" <ruffrecords@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cjghkj$v8o$1@slavica.ukpost.com...
> Bill Giovino wrote:
>
> >
> > "Bill Giovino" <editor@nospam-microcontroller.com> wrote in message
> > news:wYOdnRCThqK518fcRVn-qA@comcast.com...
> >> Microchip has introduced eight members of the NEW 8-bit PIC�
> > microcontroller
> >> family with an integrated Liquid-Crystal Display (LCD) module. These
LCD
> >> PIC microcontrollers include *********** 28-pin Flash LCD
> >> microcontrollers, and ******************* 80-pin Flash LCD
> >> microcontrollers, capable of driving 192 segments for touchscreen and
> >> segmented LCD displays. Microchip's LCD PIC microcontroller family
> > features
> >> both program Flash and data EEPROM memory, low power consumption and
LCD
> >> control.
> >>
> >> You can read more about this new microcontroller family here:
> >> http://Microcontroller.com/News/Microchip_LCD.asp
> >>
> >>
> >> - Bill Giovino
> >> Executive Editor
> >> http://Microcontroller.com
> >
> > Article corrected - "world's first" has been removed.
> > http://Microcontroller.com/News/Microchip_LCD.asp
> >
> > Thanks to everyone that caught that,
> >
> > -Bill.
>
> Bill, you are a real gent. You actually listen to feedback. I have
> bookmarked your site for future reference.
>
> Ian Bell
Reply by Lewin A.R.W. Edwards●September 30, 20042004-09-30
> If you know of another microcontroller source that has Flash and has LCD
> support, I'll be happy to change my article, Ian.
You mean, like NEC's 78K0S series 8-bit micros?
Reply by Ian Bell●September 30, 20042004-09-30
Bill Giovino wrote:
>
> "Bill Giovino" <editor@nospam-microcontroller.com> wrote in message
> news:wYOdnRCThqK518fcRVn-qA@comcast.com...
>> Microchip has introduced eight members of the NEW 8-bit PIC�
> microcontroller
>> family with an integrated Liquid-Crystal Display (LCD) module. These LCD
>> PIC microcontrollers include *********** 28-pin Flash LCD
>> microcontrollers, and ******************* 80-pin Flash LCD
>> microcontrollers, capable of driving 192 segments for touchscreen and
>> segmented LCD displays. Microchip's LCD PIC microcontroller family
> features
>> both program Flash and data EEPROM memory, low power consumption and LCD
>> control.
>>
>> You can read more about this new microcontroller family here:
>> http://Microcontroller.com/News/Microchip_LCD.asp
>>
>>
>> - Bill Giovino
>> Executive Editor
>> http://Microcontroller.com
>
> Article corrected - "world's first" has been removed.
> http://Microcontroller.com/News/Microchip_LCD.asp
>
> Thanks to everyone that caught that,
>
> -Bill.
Bill, you are a real gent. You actually listen to feedback. I have
bookmarked your site for future reference.
Ian
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Reply by Bill Giovino●September 30, 20042004-09-30
"Bill Giovino" <editor@nospam-microcontroller.com> wrote in message
news:wYOdnRCThqK518fcRVn-qA@comcast.com...
> Microchip has introduced eight members of the NEW 8-bit PIC�
microcontroller
> family with an integrated Liquid-Crystal Display (LCD) module. These LCD
> PIC microcontrollers include *********** 28-pin Flash LCD
> microcontrollers, and ******************* 80-pin Flash LCD
> microcontrollers, capable of driving 192 segments for touchscreen and
> segmented LCD displays. Microchip's LCD PIC microcontroller family
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:59:13 +1200, the renowned Jim Granville
> <no.spam@designtools.co.nz> wrote:
>
>>Ian Bell wrote:
>>> Bill Giovino wrote:
>>>>If you know of another microcontroller source that has Flash and has LCD
>>>>support, I'll be happy to change my article, Ian.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll take you up on that. How about Atmel's ATmega169, Fujitsu
>>> MB90425GA/B/C and TI's MSP430F449IPZ for starters.
>>
>> Plus there are the MSP430 series :
>>TI show this FLASH/ROM LCD (MSP430x4xx FAMILY) (24)
>>of these, 22 are FLASH, and many come in 80 pins...
>>
>> Then there is the TDK 71M6513
>>http://www.tdksemiconductor.com/products/product_detail.cfm?product_key=60
>>this was press released over a month ago
>>http://www.tdksemiconductor.com/news/pr_082604.cfm
>>
>> So it seems "world's first" has so many qualifiers as to deserve
>>a marketdroid award!
>>
>> "world's first" => only IF you also qualify Pincount AND SegmentCount
>>( AND may as well add from vendors starting with the letter 'M' and
>>with cores starting with the letter 'P'.
>>
>> Of these LCD controllers, the one that seems to break the most new
>>ground, is the TDK one, which has high resolution ADCs.
>> Second would be the 430FE series, with 'only' 16 bit ADCs, and
>>less RAM/FLASH/segments, so that puts the 'worlds first PICs' appx third
>>on an engineering scale.
>>
>> -jg
>
> Maybe *you* should publish a newsletter, Jim. ;-)
Nah, he's too busy being a real engineer like me ;-)
Ian
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Reply by Spehro Pefhany●September 29, 20042004-09-29
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:59:13 +1200, the renowned Jim Granville
<no.spam@designtools.co.nz> wrote:
>Ian Bell wrote:
>> Bill Giovino wrote:
>>>If you know of another microcontroller source that has Flash and has LCD
>>>support, I'll be happy to change my article, Ian.
>>
>>
>> I'll take you up on that. How about Atmel's ATmega169, Fujitsu
>> MB90425GA/B/C and TI's MSP430F449IPZ for starters.
>
> Plus there are the MSP430 series :
>TI show this FLASH/ROM LCD (MSP430x4xx FAMILY) (24)
>of these, 22 are FLASH, and many come in 80 pins...
>
> Then there is the TDK 71M6513
>http://www.tdksemiconductor.com/products/product_detail.cfm?product_key=60
>this was press released over a month ago
>http://www.tdksemiconductor.com/news/pr_082604.cfm
>
> So it seems "world's first" has so many qualifiers as to deserve
>a marketdroid award!
>
> "world's first" => only IF you also qualify Pincount AND SegmentCount
>( AND may as well add from vendors starting with the letter 'M' and
>with cores starting with the letter 'P'.
>
> Of these LCD controllers, the one that seems to break the most new
>ground, is the TDK one, which has high resolution ADCs.
> Second would be the 430FE series, with 'only' 16 bit ADCs, and
>less RAM/FLASH/segments, so that puts the 'worlds first PICs' appx third
>on an engineering scale.
>
> -jg
Maybe *you* should publish a newsletter, Jim. ;-)
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Reply by Jim Granville●September 29, 20042004-09-29
Ian Bell wrote:
> Bill Giovino wrote:
>>If you know of another microcontroller source that has Flash and has LCD
>>support, I'll be happy to change my article, Ian.
>
>
> I'll take you up on that. How about Atmel's ATmega169, Fujitsu
> MB90425GA/B/C and TI's MSP430F449IPZ for starters.
Plus there are the MSP430 series :
TI show this FLASH/ROM LCD (MSP430x4xx FAMILY) (24)
of these, 22 are FLASH, and many come in 80 pins...
Then there is the TDK 71M6513
http://www.tdksemiconductor.com/products/product_detail.cfm?product_key=60
this was press released over a month ago
http://www.tdksemiconductor.com/news/pr_082604.cfm
So it seems "world's first" has so many qualifiers as to deserve
a marketdroid award!
"world's first" => only IF you also qualify Pincount AND SegmentCount
( AND may as well add from vendors starting with the letter 'M' and
with cores starting with the letter 'P'.
Of these LCD controllers, the one that seems to break the most new
ground, is the TDK one, which has high resolution ADCs.
Second would be the 430FE series, with 'only' 16 bit ADCs, and
less RAM/FLASH/segments, so that puts the 'worlds first PICs' appx third
on an engineering scale.
-jg
Reply by Ian Bell●September 29, 20042004-09-29
Bill Giovino wrote:
>
> "Ian Bell" <ruffrecords@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:cjdtv9$v31$1@slavica.ukpost.com...
>> Bill Giovino wrote:
>>
>> > Microchip has introduced eight members of the NEW 8-bit PIC�
>> > microcontroller
>> > family with an integrated Liquid-Crystal Display (LCD) module. These
> LCD
>> > PIC microcontrollers include the world's first 28-pin Flash LCD
>> > microcontrollers, and the first programmable 80-pin Flash LCD
>> > microcontrollers, capable of driving 192 segments for touchscreen and
>> > segmented LCD displays.
>>
>> Provided you pick the right combination from a huge list of possible
>> features and quantities thereof of it becomes trivial to come up wit a
>> 'world's first'. it is an insult to the intelligence of engineers.
>
> If you know of another microcontroller source that has Flash and has LCD
> support, I'll be happy to change my article, Ian.
I'll take you up on that. How about Atmel's ATmega169, Fujitsu
MB90425GA/B/C and TI's MSP430F449IPZ for starters.
>
> Thank you for your feedback,
You are welcome. I look forward to your retraction.
Ian
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Reply by Spehro Pefhany●September 29, 20042004-09-29
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:50:18 -0400, the renowned "Bill Giovino"
<editor@nospam-microcontroller.com> wrote:
>
>"Ian Bell" <ruffrecords@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:cjdtv9$v31$1@slavica.ukpost.com...
>> Bill Giovino wrote:
>>
>> > Microchip has introduced eight members of the NEW 8-bit PIC�
>> > microcontroller
>> > family with an integrated Liquid-Crystal Display (LCD) module. These
>LCD
>> > PIC microcontrollers include the world's first 28-pin Flash LCD
>> > microcontrollers, and the first programmable 80-pin Flash LCD
>> > microcontrollers, capable of driving 192 segments for touchscreen and
>> > segmented LCD displays.
>>
>> Provided you pick the right combination from a huge list of possible
>> features and quantities thereof of it becomes trivial to come up wit a
>> 'world's first'. it is an insult to the intelligence of engineers.
>
>If you know of another microcontroller source that has Flash and has LCD
>support, I'll be happy to change my article, Ian.
>
>Thank you for your feedback,
TI's MSP430 series has had it for quite a while- eg. MSP430F449IPZ
with 1300+ in stock at Digikey, 160 segment drive, 60K of flash, and
2K of RAM in a 100-pin package.
The Microchip parts, AFAIK, are not really available yet.
They can make the uChip parts sound like the "first" by talking about
number of pins, number of segments or considering strictly 8-bit
micros, but really the two sets of chips are in the same market space.
That's why it seems a bit like quasi-dishonest "marketing" type talk
in a technical newsgroup.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
Reply by H.-J.Oertel●September 29, 20042004-09-29
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:50:18 -0400, the renowned "Bill Giovino"
> <editor@nospam-microcontroller.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ian Bell" <ruffrecords@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:cjdtv9$v31$1@slavica.ukpost.com...
>>> Bill Giovino wrote:
>>>
>>> > Microchip has introduced eight members of the NEW 8-bit PIC®
>>> > microcontroller
>>> > family with an integrated Liquid-Crystal Display (LCD) module. These
>>LCD
>>> > PIC microcontrollers include the world's first 28-pin Flash LCD
>>> > microcontrollers, and the first programmable 80-pin Flash LCD
>>> > microcontrollers, capable of driving 192 segments for touchscreen and
>>> > segmented LCD displays.
>>>
>>> Provided you pick the right combination from a huge list of possible
>>> features and quantities thereof of it becomes trivial to come up wit a
>>> 'world's first'. it is an insult to the intelligence of engineers.
>>
>>If you know of another microcontroller source that has Flash and has LCD
>>support, I'll be happy to change my article, Ian.
>>
>>Thank you for your feedback,
>
> TI's MSP430 series has had it for quite a while- eg. MSP430F449IPZ
> with 1300+ in stock at Digikey, 160 segment drive, 60K of flash, and
> 2K of RAM in a 100-pin package.
>
> The Microchip parts, AFAIK, are not really available yet.
>
> They can make the uChip parts sound like the "first" by talking about
> number of pins, number of segments or considering strictly 8-bit
> micros, but really the two sets of chips are in the same market space.
> That's why it seems a bit like quasi-dishonest "marketing" type talk
> in a technical newsgroup.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany
Sorry you are right, I didn't look exactly at the advertisement.
The Fujitsu parts doesn't have 28-pin or 80 pins
and it doesn't have "an integrated Liquid-Crystal Display (LCD) module",
only the LCD controller. Sorry for the noise.
Regards
Heinz
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