invalid@example.com wrote:
[...]
> Does anyone have URLs that lead to:
>=20
> Downloadable QNX that installs on an unused hard drive partition
> Downloadable .ISO that creates a bootable QNX CD

Go here:

http://www.qnx.com/products/getmomentics/

=2E..and download either 'QNX Neutrino Lite' or 'QNX Neutrino Host'. (Alt=
hough
I've only tried the big one.) What you get is an ISO that will either run=
 as a
live CD, or will install onto your hard drive.

You will need a license key if you want to install it, but they're free (=
as in
beer). Once installed you get a complete QNX/Photon/dev tool/Eclipse setu=
p.

Note to QSS: is the license key for Momentics or for QNX itself? Because =
if
you could produce a slimmed-down free-as-in-beer boot/install CD that gav=
e you
a working version with the gcc development tools, but without Eclipse, an=
d
without the license key requirement, I think you'd get a lot more takeup.=


> Donnloadable .IMG that creates a bootable QNX floppy using RawWriteWin =


Don't know about that. I'm sure it's possible to make one using the CD, t=
hough.

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=BD=8D =E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 http://www.cowlark.com =E2=94=80=E2=94=
=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=
=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=
=94=80
=E2=94=82
=E2=94=82 "There does not now, nor will there ever, exist a programming l=
anguage in
=E2=94=82 which it is the least bit hard to write bad programs." --- Flon=
's Axiom

Greg King wrote:
>
>David Given wrote:
>>
>> The big factor for me is that it's now possible to download the bootable
>> QNX CD, and use it as a primary OS -- it and Photon work rather nicely
>> on older hardware (if you have enough memory).
>
>That's not new.  It has been possible for many years.  I didn't even bother
>to install the older releases.  I stored most of the QNX distribution inside
>of a few Windows files.  I boot version 6.1 from a floppy-disc; and, I boot
>version 6.2 from a ("burned") CD.
>
>> However, I'm *mindboggled* how hard it was to find. It's not that it's not
>> available; it's just that it's labelled in such a way that nobody who
>> didn't already know what to look for would know that it was what they
>> wanted.
>>
>> I eventually had to download the Linux-hosted dev. kit (which doesn't
>> actually work out-of-the-box, but that's another matter), and poke through
>> the documentation before I actually found out there was one! I'm surprised
>> it's not being advertised more, given that it's the bit that most casual
>> users will be interested in.
>
>Yes!  The company has no idea how to market it.  On the web-site's home
>page, they call it simply "Momentics," instead of "QNX Operating System with
>Momentics."  Then, on the next page, they talk about host platforms --
>Windows, Linux, and Neutrino.  People who aren't already very familiar with
>QNX won't know that Neutrino is the name of QNX's microKernel (the most
>basic component of that operating system).  So, they can't know that
>"Neutrino host" means "bootable CD!"
>
>The company needs to do more than show just the product's brand-names.
>There should be simple descriptions, too, which contain the simple words
>that visitors to the site are seeking

Does anyone have URLs that lead to:

Downloadable QNX that installs on an unused hard drive partition

Downloadable .ISO that creates a bootable QNX CD

Donnloadable .IMG that creates a bootable QNX floppy using RawWriteWin 


 

Greg King wrote:
> "David Given" wrote in message
> news:46ebdca6$0$655$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
>> The big factor for me is that it's now possible to download the bootable
>> QNX CD, and use it as a primary OS -- it and Photon work rather nicely
>> on older hardware (if you have enough memory).
> 
> That's not new.  It has been possible for many years.  I didn't even bother
> to install the older releases.  I stored most of the QNX distribution inside
> of a few Windows files.  I boot version 6.1 from a floppy-disc; and, I boot
> version 6.2 from a ("burned") CD.
> 
>> However, I'm *mindboggled* how hard it was to find. It's not that it's not
>> available; it's just that it's labelled in such a way that nobody who
>> didn't already know what to look for would know that it was what they
>> wanted.
>>
>> I eventually had to download the Linux-hosted dev. kit (which doesn't
>> actually work out-of-the-box, but that's another matter), and poke through
>> the documentation before I actually found out there was one! I'm surprised
>> it's not being advertised more, given that it's the bit that most casual
>> users will be interested in.
> 
> Yes!  The company has no idea how to market it.  On the web-site's home
> page, they call it simply "Momentics," instead of "QNX Operating System with
> Momentics."  Then, on the next page, they talk about host platforms --
> Windows, Linux, and Neutrino.  People who aren't already very familiar with
> QNX won't know that Neutrino is the name of QNX's microKernel (the most
> basic component of that operating system).  So, they can't know that
> "Neutrino host" means "bootable CD!"
> 
> The company needs to do more than show just the product's brand-names.
> There should be simple descriptions, too, which contain the simple words
> that visitors to the site are seeking:  "operating system,"
> "cross-development," and "boot CD."

We call this stuff simply QNX6 :)

--Armin


> 

"David Given" wrote in message
news:46ebdca6$0$655$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
>
> The big factor for me is that it's now possible to download the bootable
> QNX CD, and use it as a primary OS -- it and Photon work rather nicely
> on older hardware (if you have enough memory).

That's not new.  It has been possible for many years.  I didn't even bother
to install the older releases.  I stored most of the QNX distribution inside
of a few Windows files.  I boot version 6.1 from a floppy-disc; and, I boot
version 6.2 from a ("burned") CD.

>
> However, I'm *mindboggled* how hard it was to find. It's not that it's not
> available; it's just that it's labelled in such a way that nobody who
> didn't already know what to look for would know that it was what they
> wanted.
>
> I eventually had to download the Linux-hosted dev. kit (which doesn't
> actually work out-of-the-box, but that's another matter), and poke through
> the documentation before I actually found out there was one! I'm surprised
> it's not being advertised more, given that it's the bit that most casual
> users will be interested in.

Yes!  The company has no idea how to market it.  On the web-site's home
page, they call it simply "Momentics," instead of "QNX Operating System with
Momentics."  Then, on the next page, they talk about host platforms --
Windows, Linux, and Neutrino.  People who aren't already very familiar with
QNX won't know that Neutrino is the name of QNX's microKernel (the most
basic component of that operating system).  So, they can't know that
"Neutrino host" means "bootable CD!"

The company needs to do more than show just the product's brand-names.
There should be simple descriptions, too, which contain the simple words
that visitors to the site are seeking:  "operating system,"
"cross-development," and "boot CD."

Jonathan Kirwan wrote:
[...]
> I'm still glad the source is out there.  This allows hobbyists,
> students, and educators to access the source and learn from it, even
> if they don't actually use the products commercially.

The big factor for me is that it's now possible to download the bootable =
QNX
CD and use it as a primary OS --- it and Photon work rather nicely on old=
er
hardware (if you have enough memory).

However, I'm *mindboggled* how hard it was to find. It's not that it's no=
t
available; it's just that it's labelled in such a way that nobody who did=
n't
already know what to look for would know that it was what they wanted.

I eventually had to download the Linux-hosted dev kit (which doesn't actu=
ally
work out of the box, but that's another matter) and poke through the
documentation before I actually found out there was one! I'm surprised it=
's
not being advertised more given that it's the bit that most casual users =
will
be interested in.

--=20
=E2=94=8C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 =EF=BD=84=EF=BD=87=EF=BC=A0=EF=BD=83=EF=BD=8F=
=EF=BD=97=EF=BD=8C=EF=BD=81=EF=BD=92=EF=BD=8B=EF=BC=8E=EF=BD=83=EF=BD=8F=EF=
=BD=8D =E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 http://www.cowlark.com =E2=94=80=E2=94=
=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=
=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=
=94=80
=E2=94=82
=E2=94=82 "There does not now, nor will there ever, exist a programming l=
anguage in
=E2=94=82 which it is the least bit hard to write bad programs." --- Flon=
's Axiom

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:22:24 +0800, David R Brooks
<davebXXX@iinet.net.au> wrote:

>Jonathan Kirwan wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 04:41:47 -0700, colin.burgess@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> QNX has switched to a 'hybrid' development model.  Our source is out
>>> there - you can see our trunk svn repository.
>>>
>>> The new 6.3.2 rollup download (full version) is now free for
>>> commerical use too!
>>>
>>> Go checkout http://www.qnx.com and http://community.qnx.com for more
>>> info, and checkout the kernel source!
>>>
>>> Colin
>> 
>> Thanks, Colin, for the heads-up.  This seems like an appropriate move
>> for this class of software and I applaud the initiative.  Great!
>> 
>> Jon

>Hmm, it appears you still need to be a registered user to get access.

That doesn't surprise me in the least.

>Also, from the info page http://www.qnx.com/news/pr_2471_1.html :

>> Access to QNX source code is free, but commercial deployments of 
>> QNX Neutrino runtime components still require royalties

Yes, but according to:

http://www.osnews.com/story.php/18596/QNX-Opens-Neutrino-Source-Code-Interview-QNX-CEO/

I see that the source to Neutrino will be provided to the public.

Their concept isn't to make the product cost nothing, just to provide
the source code with the idea that "The big difference is that we now
expect more people to choose QNX for their commercial projects."  In
other words, they will still get paid and, by their guess, by more
people than before.

I'm still glad the source is out there.  This allows hobbyists,
students, and educators to access the source and learn from it, even
if they don't actually use the products commercially.

Jon

Jonathan Kirwan wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 04:41:47 -0700, colin.burgess@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> QNX has switched to a 'hybrid' development model.  Our source is out
>> there - you can see our trunk svn repository.
>>
>> The new 6.3.2 rollup download (full version) is now free for
>> commerical use too!
>>
>> Go checkout http://www.qnx.com and http://community.qnx.com for more
>> info, and checkout the kernel source!
>>
>> Colin
> 
> Thanks, Colin, for the heads-up.  This seems like an appropriate move
> for this class of software and I applaud the initiative.  Great!
> 
> Jon
Hmm, it appears you still need to be a registered user to get access.
Also, from the info page http://www.qnx.com/news/pr_2471_1.html :
> Access to QNX source code is free, but commercial deployments of 
 > QNX Neutrino runtime components still require royalties

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 04:41:47 -0700, colin.burgess@gmail.com wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>QNX has switched to a 'hybrid' development model.  Our source is out
>there - you can see our trunk svn repository.
>
>The new 6.3.2 rollup download (full version) is now free for
>commerical use too!
>
>Go checkout http://www.qnx.com and http://community.qnx.com for more
>info, and checkout the kernel source!
>
>Colin

Thanks, Colin, for the heads-up.  This seems like an appropriate move
for this class of software and I applaud the initiative.  Great!

Jon

Hi
>
>QNX has switched to a 'hybrid' development model.  Our source is out
>there - you can see our trunk svn repository.

Though I (and maybe other) still wonder what the "real" reason for
this is, it is a nice reading (esp. because there has not been a
"comment" tidy-up :-) )

Anyway, something I still don`t know is Neutrino now a direct message
passing or only a message passing kernel ?

-- 
42Bastian
Do not email to bastian42@yahoo.com, it's a spam-only account :-)
Use <same-name>@monlynx.de instead !

Hi all,

QNX has switched to a 'hybrid' development model.  Our source is out
there - you can see our trunk svn repository.

The new 6.3.2 rollup download (full version) is now free for
commerical use too!

Go checkout http://www.qnx.com and http://community.qnx.com for more
info, and checkout the kernel source!

Colin