-Hi
I just had some boards made from a company called
PCB4less
we use them at work and make very good boards. I just got some made
for 100 dolllars
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-- In msp430@msp4..., colin.bowdery@b... wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was looking around for cheap manufacture of a PCB for my MSc
> dissertation and found this site. They have a big list of all of
> the main CAD/CAM packages and Gerber viewers. They have even
> given each a little write up (1-2 sentences) with links to free
> versions and downloads. Maybe worth a look...
>
> Does anyone know of a good source for low cost prototype PCB
> manufacture? I need to make around 25-50 small (2"x2") boards
> with small tracks. My uni can not create very small SMT designs.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Colin Bowdery.
>
>
> <tt>
> I have a look to the site. First impression is quite good,
> Informations are clear and funtionality seems more then I'm
> loking for. I downloaded all files and in a week time I will
> experiment it.<BR>
> Many Thanks, Paolo.<BR>
> <BR>
> omesa <omesa@g...> wrote:<BR>
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> <BR>
> I have made good experience with target PCB and ASIC Layout-
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Hi all,
I was looking around for cheap manufacture of a PCB for my MSc
dissertation and found this site. They have a big list of all of
the main CAD/CAM packages and Gerber viewers. They have even
given each a little write up (1-2 sentences) with links to free
versions and downloads. Maybe worth a look...
Does anyone know of a good source for low cost prototype PCB
manufacture? I need to make around 25-50 small (2"x2") boards
with small tracks. My uni can not create very small SMT designs.
Cheers,
Colin Bowdery.
<tt>
I have a look to the site. First impression is quite good,
Informations are clear and funtionality seems more then I'm
loking for. I downloaded all files and in a week time I will
experiment it.<BR>
Many Thanks, Paolo.<BR>
<BR>
omesa <omesa@omes...> wrote:<BR>
Hi<BR>
<BR>
I have made good experience with target PCB and ASIC Layout-
CAD/CAE<BR>
Software.<BR>
They have a great lib and also you can download a useful demo
version.<BR>
<BR>
<a
href="http://www.ibfriedrich.com/english/index.htm">http://www.ib
friedrich.com/english/index.htm</a><BR>
<BR>
The software can import Eagle Lib files.<BR>
<BR>
Maybe interesting !<BR>
<BR>
To all a nice day<BR>
from<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Siegmar<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Reply by Steve●June 23, 20042004-06-23
check out PCB4U.COM for low cost.
25 2x2" pcbs 2sided with silk screen are probably <$5 each <2 week
turnaround
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: colin.bowdery@coli... [mailto:colin.bowdery@coli...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:04 AM
To: msp430@msp4...
Subject: [msp430] Schematic & Board design and PCB manufacture
Hi all,
I was looking around for cheap manufacture of a PCB for my MSc
dissertation and found this site. They have a big list of all of
the main CAD/CAM packages and Gerber viewers. They have even
given each a little write up (1-2 sentences) with links to free
versions and downloads. Maybe worth a look...
Does anyone know of a good source for low cost prototype PCB
manufacture? I need to make around 25-50 small (2"x2") boards
with small tracks. My uni can not create very small SMT designs.
Cheers,
Colin Bowdery.
<tt>
I have a look to the site. First impression is quite good,
Informations are clear and funtionality seems more then I'm
loking for. I downloaded all files and in a week time I will
experiment it.<BR>
Many Thanks, Paolo.<BR>
<BR>
omesa <omesa@omes...> wrote:<BR>
Hi<BR>
<BR>
I have made good experience with target PCB and ASIC Layout-
CAD/CAE<BR>
Software.<BR>
They have a great lib and also you can download a useful demo
version.<BR>
<BR>
<a
href="http://www.ibfriedrich.com/english/index.htm">http://www.ib
friedrich.com/english/index.htm</a><BR>
<BR>
The software can import Eagle Lib files.<BR>
<BR>
Maybe interesting !<BR>
<BR>
To all a nice day<BR>
from<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Siegmar<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Reply by Leon Heller●June 23, 20042004-06-23
----- Original Message -----
From: <colin.bowdery@coli...>
To: <msp430@msp4...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:04 AM
Subject: [msp430] Schematic & Board design and PCB manufacture
> Hi all,
>
> I was looking around for cheap manufacture of a PCB for my MSc
> dissertation and found this site. They have a big list of all of
> the main CAD/CAM packages and Gerber viewers. They have even
> given each a little write up (1-2 sentences) with links to free
> versions and downloads. Maybe worth a look...
>
> Does anyone know of a good source for low cost prototype PCB
> manufacture? I need to make around 25-50 small (2"x2") boards
> with small tracks. My uni can not create very small SMT designs.
Try Olimex: http://www.olimex.com
Quality isn't outstanding but they are cheap. They can do down to 8 mil
tracks.
Reply by Giampaolo Consonni●June 22, 20042004-06-22
I have a look to the site. First impression is quite good, Informations are
clear and funtionality seems more then I'm loking for. I downloaded all
files and in a week time I will experiment it.
Many Thanks, Paolo.
omesa <omesa@omes...> wrote:
Hi
I have made good experience with target PCB and ASIC Layout-CAD/CAE
Software.
They have a great lib and also you can download a useful demo version.
http://www.ibfriedrich.com/english/index.htm
The software can import Eagle Lib files.
Maybe interesting !
To all a nice day
from
Siegmar
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Reply by Jack Powers●June 21, 20042004-06-21
RE: Eagle
There is a beta version of Eagle for the Mac (OS X, using X11 which is
now
supported by OS X). Note the warnings, but I have been playing with it a
bit and it hasn't crashed or done anything strange yet:
http://www.cadsoftusa.com/betatest.htm
I am learning Eagle and it will be nice to have a choice of platforms
when the OS X version is officially available. Another reason is that
I have a 23" LCD on the Mac which is very nice for CAD.
Jack Powers
Powers Technical Services powerstech@powe... +1-408/621-1883
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Reply by coli...@...●June 21, 20042004-06-21
Hi Paolo,
Through my uni days I used Proteus by Labcenter
(www.labcenter.co.uk). This was ok for schematic capture and PCB
layout (autoroute). It had a fair but not impresive library
although creating parts was easy as most share a common
footprint. One nice feature was the simulation facility. This was
based on a Spice engine but was not hugely accurate. Things have
now changed!
You can now download Proteus VSM which enables you to do all of
the original things but also simulate with a processor and
peripherals. It can run C code in-line and spice analysis on the
analogue parts with a good scope facility. One bad side is that
the free version will not allow you to go from schematic to auto-
route. You must pay for this but you can input the parts
straight into the layout package long hand (all the parts have
definable footprints).
You can pay for the aditional features as shown on their website
with the full package only costing a few hundred pounds. This is
great for hobby applications and ok for commercial prototyping
however more detailed functions are not supported as with OrCAD.
I really like the microprocessor functionality in this package
alhough it is not much use for MSP430 development. They
currently support PIC's, AVR, 8051 and the Basic stamp.
Hope this is of some help,
Colin Bowdery.
<tt>
Hi group.<BR>
I'm a hobbist user and I don't want to spend money for a
package. I start to use a free software call CIRCAD, I play very
little with EAGLE last year but I really start do something just
now with CIRCAD.<BR>
Before getting too far with Circad (very poor library in the
free version) any suggestion to a free package with a good
library for free?<BR>
<BR>
Regards Paolo.<BR>
<BR>
Martijn Broens <m.t.j.broens@m.t....> wrote:<BR>
Hi,<BR>
<BR>
I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating
they're<BR>
schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap
and<BR>
UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that
supports<BR>
them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm
curious<BR>
about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite
my<BR>
requirements <BR>
<BR>
thanks Martijn.<BR>
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Reply by Indrek Rebane●June 21, 20042004-06-21
Hi Georg and others,
Georg Ritter wrote:
> The library issue is always a problem. As I understood there's a
> movement at IPC.org to create a free standard based on xml to provide
> components, footprints etc.
You probably mean already released IPC-2581, successor of ODB++ and
GenCAM. If yes, then it is only for PCB CAD and CAM data exchange
(footprint libraries and manufacturing data). Not for schematic symbols.
See more here:
http://webstds.ipc.org/2581/2581.htm> But this will last a bit until it hits the road, I
guess. Meanwhile
> everybody and every company seems to write and maintain their own
> libs. Strange, work is duplicated very often. Why for e.g. component
> producers or distributors didn't cope with that earlier.
Just because there are many different possibilities of using same
component. I often have several footprints for same component calculated
dependent on reliability and density classification of circuit component
is used in. Some clarification is brought to matters with upcoming
IPC-7351, successor of IPC-SM-782A.
See more here:
http://www.ipc.org/committeedetail.asp?Committee=1-13> Imagine a lib containing all components offered by
farnell (index
> with their order numbers). Press the BOM (Bill of materials) button
> and send it off. That really would save a lot of time, wouldn't it?
Not much. For every bit larger project, every component used needs time
for verification which makes time spent on finding out order number
quite marginal. Usually places like Farnell, Digikey and ELFA are used
for prototype runs where purchasing whole reel of components is not
sensible, there are no components in stock and lead times for samples
from manufacturers are too long over regular distributors (AvNet,
Insight-Memec, Arrow).
Indrek
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Reply by omesa●June 21, 20042004-06-21
Hi
I have made good experience with target PCB and ASIC Layout-CAD/CAE
Software.
They have a great lib and also you can download a useful demo version.
http://www.ibfriedrich.com/english/index.htm
The software can import Eagle Lib files.
Maybe interesting !
To all a nice day
from
Siegmar
Reply by Giampaolo Consonni●June 21, 20042004-06-21
Hi group.
I'm a hobbist user and I don't want to spend money for a package. I
start to use a free software call CIRCAD, I play very little with EAGLE last
year but I really start do something just now with CIRCAD.
Before getting too far with Circad (very poor library in the free version) any
suggestion to a free package with a good library for free?
Regards Paolo.
Martijn Broens <m.t.j.broens@m.t....> wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm
curious
about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
requirements
thanks Martijn.
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