Reply by Gene S. Berkowitz●April 27, 20082008-04-27
In article <ojd4149mlfaobnjd67a0af1il86f29n3de@4ax.com>,=20
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat says...
> Luminary offer the following options:=20
>=20
> 1. ARM RealView=AE MDK tools
> 2. IAR Embedded Workbench=AE tools
> 3. CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ tools
> 4. Code Red Technologies Code Suite
>=20
> What's likely to provide the best value for a few WinXP development
> seats ? (the app will be using Ethernet heavily)
>=20
> Best regards,=20
> Spehro Pefhany
Rowley CrossWorks head & shoulders above 1 & 2 as far as best value.
--Gene
Reply by John Devereux●April 27, 20082008-04-27
"FreeRTOS.org" <noemail@given.com> writes:
> "larwe" <zwsdotcom@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5f9543eb-c46c-4d3b-b4aa-dc69b743a8c5@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 26, 8:14 am, "FreeRTOS.org" <noem...@given.com> wrote:
>
>>> Just for completenesshttp://www.rowley.co.uk
>>>
>>> (Used that lots too, very nice, clean, easy tool. Also uses the
>>> CodeSourcery compiler :o)
>
>>AAMOI, what does Raisonance use? They benchmark slightly smaller than
>>Rowley binaries (for a CM3 target).
>
> Yep - used that too. What am I doing with my life?
>
> Raisonance uses the arm-non-eabi CodeSourcery compiler too.
>
> I'm led to believe that there will be a new version out soon (if not
> already) that will improve code size quite considerably.
"larwe" <zwsdotcom@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 26, 8:14 am, "FreeRTOS.org" <noem...@given.com> wrote:
>> Just for completenesshttp://www.rowley.co.uk
>>
>> (Used that lots too, very nice, clean, easy tool. Also uses the
>> CodeSourcery compiler :o)
>AAMOI, what does Raisonance use? They benchmark slightly smaller than
>Rowley binaries (for a CM3 target).
Yep - used that too. What am I doing with my life?
Raisonance uses the arm-non-eabi CodeSourcery compiler too.
I'm led to believe that there will be a new version out soon (if not
already) that will improve code size quite considerably.
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Reply by larwe●April 26, 20082008-04-26
On Apr 26, 8:14=A0am, "FreeRTOS.org" <noem...@given.com> wrote:
> Just for completenesshttp://www.rowley.co.uk
>
> (Used that lots too, very nice, clean, easy tool. =A0Also uses the
> CodeSourcery compiler :o)
AAMOI, what does Raisonance use? They benchmark slightly smaller than
Rowley binaries (for a CM3 target).
Reply by David Brown●April 26, 20082008-04-26
FreeRTOS.org wrote:
>> Is Codesourcery more than that?
>
> Don't know. Code Red use the CodeSourcery compiler, so the compiler itself
> is the same. Take care on license models - if you get a quote make sure its
> a one time payment.
>
CodeSourcery provide three options - a totally free download (of the
compiler toolchain, library and debugger, including source), a
"personal" edition ($400, including a year's worth of updates, which
includes Eclipse integration and probably some closed source bits and
pieces), and a "professional" edition (pricing not published, includes
support).
I don't know anything about Code Red, but it's worth noting that
CodeSourcery are the official gcc maintainers for a number of target
ports (ColdFire, ARM, MIPS, and possibly also PPC), so that's the road
to choose if you want the latest and greatest, and you want support from
the people that actually write the code. But for all I know, Code Red
could have all sorts of other useful additions - I have no experience
with them.
Reply by FreeRTOS.org●April 26, 20082008-04-26
>> Luminary offer the following options:
>FWIW, CrossWorks also supports this target and I'm using it happily
>with an LM3S6965.
Just for completeness http://www.rowley.co.uk
(Used that lots too, very nice, clean, easy tool. Also uses the
CodeSourcery compiler :o)
--
Regards,
Richard.
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Reply by larwe●April 26, 20082008-04-26
On Apr 25, 3:59=A0pm, Spehro Pefhany <speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat>
wrote:
> Luminary offer the following options:
FWIW, CrossWorks also supports this target and I'm using it happily
with an LM3S6965.
Reply by FreeRTOS.org●April 26, 20082008-04-26
>>IAR have a free code size limited version.
>
> Big enough for a TCP/IP stack and a useful program?
32K is quite generous. The FreeRTOS.org uIP demo fits into the code size
limit, the lwIP demo does not. It is a clean professional tool.
>>Keil are owned by ARM, so should provide good tools.
>
> Yes, and I don't see any pricing, so $$$$?
>
>>Code Red have excellent debug facilities (none intrusive trace, etc.) and
>>the lowest price. I have used their tools extensively in the last month
>>and
>>have been pleased with the results.
>
> That does sound interesting. I see a price of $1K USD for their suite,
> is that right?
Yes. There are no restrictions on use (code size limits, etc.) when used
with one of their low cost dev kits, so you can try it out for just a few
$$$ by purchasing the dev kit. It is based on Eclipse, with their own fancy
extensions, improvements and debug interface. The Eclipse IDE is not so
clean and takes some getting used to. The source editor itself has lots of
advanced features though. Eclipse is getting more and more popular in the
embedded world so time invensted in learning to use it could be well spent.
>Is Codesourcery more than that?
Don't know. Code Red use the CodeSourcery compiler, so the compiler itself
is the same. Take care on license models - if you get a quote make sure its
a one time payment.
--
Regards,
Richard.
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Reply by Spehro Pefhany●April 25, 20082008-04-25
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:03:50 GMT, "FreeRTOS.org" <noemail@given.com>
wrote:
>> 1. ARM RealView� MDK tools
>> 2. IAR Embedded Workbench� tools
>> 3. CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ tools
>> 4. Code Red Technologies Code Suite
>>
>> What's likely to provide the best value for a few WinXP development
>> seats ? (the app will be using Ethernet heavily)
>
>
>I use all 4 :o)
Sounds like you might well have a useful perspective. ;-)
> What 'value' are you looking for? I could rank them by
>price, but I don't think that would be very useful.
Well, purchase and maintenance cost *is* part of the equation,
especially before any improvements over the current (free uChip C30)
product is proven. As is learning curve.
Given that we're starting with folks used to a WinXP/MPLAB environment
with okay debugging features (when it works, which is not always),
what's going to be the path of least resistance? Say we need to get a
simple motion control app up and running with a bunch of TCP/IP
Ethernet messaging (mostly UTP at present)?
>IAR have a free code size limited version.
Big enough for a TCP/IP stack and a useful program?
>Keil are owned by ARM, so should provide good tools.
Yes, and I don't see any pricing, so $$$$?
>Code Red have excellent debug facilities (none intrusive trace, etc.) and
>the lowest price. I have used their tools extensively in the last month and
>have been pleased with the results.
That does sound interesting. I see a price of $1K USD for their suite,
is that right? Is Codesourcery more than that?
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Reply by FreeRTOS.org●April 25, 20082008-04-25
> 1. ARM RealView� MDK tools
> 2. IAR Embedded Workbench� tools
> 3. CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ tools
> 4. Code Red Technologies Code Suite
>
> What's likely to provide the best value for a few WinXP development
> seats ? (the app will be using Ethernet heavily)
I use all 4 :o) What 'value' are you looking for? I could rank them by
price, but I don't think that would be very useful.
IAR have a free code size limited version.
Keil are owned by ARM, so should provide good tools.
Code Red have excellent debug facilities (none intrusive trace, etc.) and
the lowest price. I have used their tools extensively in the last month and
have been pleased with the results.
--
Regards,
Richard.
+ http://www.FreeRTOS.org & http://www.FreeRTOS.org/shop
17 official architecture ports, more than 5000 downloads per month.
+ http://www.SafeRTOS.com
Certified by T�V as meeting the requirements for safety related systems.