On Jul 12, 11:17 am, Bit Farmer <bit.far...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> haresh wrote:
> > My Last post many friends have problem abt my university. I join this
> > group for help. If i said any thing wrong then sorry.
> > Right I am working project which is using 8051 to connect GSM modem
>
> Your request was just fine. The problem is that many newsgroups are
> populated with people who 1) want to make a joke about your request, or
> 2) want to sound so knowledgeable that you request is just an irritation.
>
His request was *not" fine. Beside his poor English, which I would
excuse (but still think that running a spell checker would be a
minimum when your English is so bad), what was the sense of mentioning
that his project is for a =93big name university=94 and would be good for
us to help him? What is the technical relevance of this detail in the
context of his question and what would be so good for us if he
finishes his project? I found that statement a bit offensive.
Second, he had another request on the same subject, using a different
account name (lopamundra) which I find inappropriate. What if
everybody would create an account for each question he has?
Third, the questions he puts here show that he has no basic technical
knowledge: he asked how to divide by 0.025 and how to write that
number in hex. He could, at least, make the effort to read the
corresponding pages in the 8051 manual before asking.
Now in this new post, he continues asking general questions, actually
his question is just the title of his project, which in translation
means: Do you have such a project to give me for free?
Well, these are some points, because of which I think his request is
not quite =93fine=94
Reply by David Brown●July 14, 20082008-07-14
Scott in SoCal wrote:
> In message <J4OdnfFBAb05Q-XVnZ2dnUVZ8qfinZ2d@lyse.net>, David Brown
> <david.brown@hesbynett.removethisbit.no> wrote:
>
>> His request was *not* fine. It was written in barely comprehensible
>> pseudo-english. If the O/P wants to be an embedded
>> engineer and to communicate with people from different countries, he
>> needs to learn English. It's not fair, it's not "right" - but it *is* a
>> fact of life.
>>
>> Even when you bother to read his posts, the project is totally beyond
>> him (based on his posts). Either his "big name" university (does "big
>> name" mean internationally renowned - if so, why not tell us the name?)
>
> The IP address he's posting from is in Manchester, England - he could
> be a student at the University of Manchester. IF he is a university
> student at all.
>
He's from Manchester?? I know there are parts of Manchester where
keeping yourself alive is more important than getting an education, but
I'd have expected much better writing skills from anyone going to higher
education (I've been assuming that the OP's written English is bad,
because it's not his native tongue).
One thing you have to remember about universities in Britain is that
practically every education institute for 18+ ages is called a
"university". There used to be "universities", where you studied maths,
or engineering, or philosophy, and "polytechnics" where you learned more
practical job-related things, such as car mechanics or electronics
technician (rather than engineer) skills. Then some half-wit had the
idea that they could raise standards, or stop engineers thinking they
were "better" than mere technicians, by calling everything
"universities". The result is, obviously, that the name "university" is
so watered down it is meaningless in the UK.
What we have instead is the concept of "old universities" - universities
that were universities before the change, and "new universities", that
are practically worthless for academic subjects (even if they are
excellent for practical subjects).
The "University of Manchester" is one such "old university", and by all
accounts is a good university (apart from its location). The
"Manchester Metropolitan University", on the other hand, has a bigger
name - and is not a "real" university.
>> is failing badly by giving students projects with no appropriate
>> guidance, or the student himself is failing badly by not using the
>> resources available.
>
> Do they have the same "Social Promotion" and "No Child Left Behind"
> bullshit that we have in the US? Over here we promote failing students
> because holding them back would be too traumatic to their fragile
> little egos. And then, once we have socially promoted them all the way
> through High School, universities are so desperate for tuition money
> that they accept these barely-literate bozos into their degree
> programs where they are socially-promoted again, this time to keep the
> University's dropout rate nice and low.
>
> Anyway, if this is the way they do things over in British schools, it
> would explain how a barely literate guy managed to make it into a
> university engineering program.
>
This sounds reasonable, but perhaps some other Brit can answer (I
haven't lived in the UK for fifteen years, and my university - Oxford -
never had that sort of problem).
>> He has figured out the main components for his
>> design (although why he is specifying an 8051 is beyond me)
>
> No doubt it was specified for him by the instructor.
>
>> but apparently hasn't a clue how to turn these into a workable design, and
>> probably hasn't a clue how to program the system. This isn't something
>> that we can help with here
>
> Well, we COULD provide him with a complete, working design. Maybe
> that's what he means by "help?" :)
Reply by Scott in SoCal●July 13, 20082008-07-13
In message <J4OdnfFBAb05Q-XVnZ2dnUVZ8qfinZ2d@lyse.net>, David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.removethisbit.no> wrote:
>His request was *not* fine. It was written in barely comprehensible
>pseudo-english. If the O/P wants to be an embedded
>engineer and to communicate with people from different countries, he
>needs to learn English. It's not fair, it's not "right" - but it *is* a
>fact of life.
>
>Even when you bother to read his posts, the project is totally beyond
>him (based on his posts). Either his "big name" university (does "big
>name" mean internationally renowned - if so, why not tell us the name?)
The IP address he's posting from is in Manchester, England - he could
be a student at the University of Manchester. IF he is a university
student at all.
>is failing badly by giving students projects with no appropriate
>guidance, or the student himself is failing badly by not using the
>resources available.
Do they have the same "Social Promotion" and "No Child Left Behind"
bullshit that we have in the US? Over here we promote failing students
because holding them back would be too traumatic to their fragile
little egos. And then, once we have socially promoted them all the way
through High School, universities are so desperate for tuition money
that they accept these barely-literate bozos into their degree
programs where they are socially-promoted again, this time to keep the
University's dropout rate nice and low.
Anyway, if this is the way they do things over in British schools, it
would explain how a barely literate guy managed to make it into a
university engineering program.
>He has figured out the main components for his
>design (although why he is specifying an 8051 is beyond me)
No doubt it was specified for him by the instructor.
>but apparently hasn't a clue how to turn these into a workable design, and
>probably hasn't a clue how to program the system. This isn't something
>that we can help with here
Well, we COULD provide him with a complete, working design. Maybe
that's what he means by "help?" :)
Reply by David Brown●July 13, 20082008-07-13
Paul Keinanen wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:38:37 +0200, David Brown
> <david.brown@hesbynett.removethisbit.no> wrote:
>
>> Bit Farmer wrote:
>>> haresh wrote:
>>>> My Last post many friends have problem abt my university. I join this
>>>> group for help. If i said any thing wrong then sorry.
>>>> Right I am working project which is using 8051 to connect GSM modem
>>>> And GPS receiver .Its for tracking vehicle and send MSG on my or any
>>>> mobile about vehicle location.
>>>>
>>>> So If u have any idea Let me know right now i have a problem circuit
>>>> design.
>>>>
>>>> Thank You,
>>>> Haresh
>>> Haresh,
>>>
>>> Your request was just fine. The problem is that many newsgroups are
>>> populated with people who 1) want to make a joke about your request, or
>>> 2) want to sound so knowledgeable that you request is just an irritation.
>>>
>> His request was *not* fine. It was written in barely comprehensible
>> pseudo-english (I am a Scot living in Norway - I am fully aware of the
>> difficulties of learning and communicating in a second language.
>
> I am mostly working for a company with offices all around the world,
> but with very few people in English speaking countries, so in
> practice, none of us speaks English (my 3rd language) as the mother
> tongue. Meaningful phone contacts may become problematic due to very
> different accents, but even in such cases, an e-mail conversation will
> usually solve the problem.
>
> Maybe due to this background, understanding some questions in this
> newsgroup is not so hard, but making sense of any unrealistic
> assumption is the problem.
>
>> But I
>> also know that if you can't speak or write a language reasonably, you're
>> going to have a great deal of trouble persuading people to bother
>> listening to you). International communication in technical fields like
>> embedded design is done in English. If the O/P wants to be an embedded
>> engineer and to communicate with people from different countries, he
>> needs to learn English. It's not fair, it's not "right" - but it *is* a
>> fact of life.
>
> I fully agree with this.
>
> Also if working with industrial automation, knowing some German is
> useful, since some documents are not available in English or are
> translated by Babelfish :-).
>
I've seen this with the documentation for a Profibus part. The
documentation was translated from the German to English by someone who
clearly had a poor grasp of either language, and no understanding at all
of the part in question, Profibus, or the electronics used. Sometimes
phrases in German were copied to the "English" version without an
attempt at translation, and much of it retained the German grammar (it
read somewhat like Paradise Lost...). For one rather critical chapter,
the entire translation was "Original German unclear.". Fortunately, a
colleague was able to read the original German.
Reply by Paul Keinanen●July 13, 20082008-07-13
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:38:37 +0200, David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.removethisbit.no> wrote:
>Bit Farmer wrote:
>> haresh wrote:
>>> My Last post many friends have problem abt my university. I join this
>>> group for help. If i said any thing wrong then sorry.
>>> Right I am working project which is using 8051 to connect GSM modem
>>> And GPS receiver .Its for tracking vehicle and send MSG on my or any
>>> mobile about vehicle location.
>>>
>>> So If u have any idea Let me know right now i have a problem circuit
>>> design.
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>> Haresh
>>
>> Haresh,
>>
>> Your request was just fine. The problem is that many newsgroups are
>> populated with people who 1) want to make a joke about your request, or
>> 2) want to sound so knowledgeable that you request is just an irritation.
>>
>
>His request was *not* fine. It was written in barely comprehensible
>pseudo-english (I am a Scot living in Norway - I am fully aware of the
>difficulties of learning and communicating in a second language.
I am mostly working for a company with offices all around the world,
but with very few people in English speaking countries, so in
practice, none of us speaks English (my 3rd language) as the mother
tongue. Meaningful phone contacts may become problematic due to very
different accents, but even in such cases, an e-mail conversation will
usually solve the problem.
Maybe due to this background, understanding some questions in this
newsgroup is not so hard, but making sense of any unrealistic
assumption is the problem.
>But I
>also know that if you can't speak or write a language reasonably, you're
>going to have a great deal of trouble persuading people to bother
>listening to you). International communication in technical fields like
>embedded design is done in English. If the O/P wants to be an embedded
>engineer and to communicate with people from different countries, he
>needs to learn English. It's not fair, it's not "right" - but it *is* a
>fact of life.
I fully agree with this.
Also if working with industrial automation, knowing some German is
useful, since some documents are not available in English or are
translated by Babelfish :-).
>Even when you bother to read his posts, the project is totally beyond
>him (based on his posts). Either his "big name" university (does "big
>name" mean internationally renowned - if so, why not tell us the name?)
>is failing badly by giving students projects with no appropriate
>guidance, or the student himself is failing badly by not using the
>resources available. He has figured out the main components for his
>design (although why he is specifying an 8051 is beyond me), but
>apparently hasn't a clue how to turn these into a workable design, and
>probably hasn't a clue how to program the system. This isn't something
>that we can help with here - he needs to take appropriate courses and
>study appropriate books before getting to the point where we can help
>with the details.
>
>It's not that I don't want to help a student, it's just that giving
>technical advice like you did is not the help he needs.
I have also seen this, when someone asks how to do X and the reply is
that do A, B and C and then the original poster asks
1.) What is A and how do I implement it
2.) What is B and how do I implement it
3.) What is C and how do I implement it
If this is the likely result of answering what is X, it is no doubt
that it is hard to get any responses.
However, in this newsgroup at least, after the initial question asking
about what is X, asking about what is B.3.2 would indicate that A and
C and most part of B is understood and does not require spoon-feeding.
Paul
>My Last post many friends have problem abt my university. I join this
>group for help. If i said any thing wrong then sorry.
>Right I am working project which is using 8051 to connect GSM modem
>And GPS receiver .Its for tracking vehicle and send MSG on my or any
>mobile about vehicle location.
>
>So If u have any idea Let me know right now i have a problem circuit
>design.
A similar application would be the APRS (Automatic Packet Reporting
System) used by radio amateurs.
You might find some useful ideas from there.
Paul
Reply by ●July 12, 20082008-07-12
haresh wrote:
> My Last post many friends have problem abt my university.
You have that completely wrong.
First, we're not your "friends". We're people your message happened to
reach.
Second: no, we don't have a problem with your university. We have a
problem with _your_ attitude towards doing _your_ homework. We would
have a problem with that university only if (after you reveal what that
"big name" actually is) it turns out that this attitude is actively
endorsed there.
> So If u have any idea Let me know right now i have a problem circuit
> design.
More importantly you seem to have a major problem understanding what
going to a university is about. Hint: it's not about requesting
ready-made solutions on the internet.
Reply by Frank Buss●July 12, 20082008-07-12
haresh wrote:
> My Last post many friends have problem abt my university. I join this
> group for help. If i said any thing wrong then sorry.
> Right I am working project which is using 8051 to connect GSM modem
> And GPS receiver .Its for tracking vehicle and send MSG on my or any
> mobile about vehicle location.
If you are just interested in the solution, you could buy a Nokia N95 or an
iPhone (the new one with GPS) and write a little program on it for querying
the integrated GPS receiver and then sending it. Needs still some work,
e.g. researching, if the phones provide access to the GPS, e.g. on N95
maybe you can't access it with the Java implementation, but have to write
it for Symbian OS and with the (now) free iPhone SDK, GSM access might be
limited, too. For iPhone you could even sell the program with the iPhone
store. If you are lucky, there is already such a program and you have to
buy this, only :-)
--
Frank Buss, fb@frank-buss.de
http://www.frank-buss.de,http://www.it4-systems.de
Reply by Scott in SoCal●July 12, 20082008-07-12
In message
<a1e7050e-4d30-4541-9343-299474fc8cd8@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
haresh <hareshpatel20@gmail.com> wrote:
>My Last post many friends have problem abt my university. I join this
>group for help. If i said any thing wrong then sorry.
>Right I am working project which is using 8051 to connect GSM modem
>And GPS receiver .Its for tracking vehicle and send MSG on my or any
>mobile about vehicle location.
>
>So If u have any idea Let me know right now i have a problem circuit
>design.
I actually did a project like this a while back. This was before I had
any real embedded design experience, so I took an EPIA-M mini-ITX
motherboard (running Windows 2000), put it into an automotive PC case
with a 12V power supply, and stuck it in the trunk of my car.
http://img107.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/07/12/dscn2234-fikk10zw.jpeg
I plugged a Sierra Wireless GPRS card into one of the PCMCIA slots
(that's it with the red antenna sticking out of it), and I plugged a
Garmin GPS-18 hockey-puck GPS into one of the USB ports.
http://img802.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/07/12/dscn2236-4b5pkz1s3.jpeg
The software monitored the switched power lead from the car to
automatically bring the PC into and out of hibernation when the car
was stopped and started. It read the output of the GPS once/second,
and sent the telemetry (position, speed, and GPS constellation info)
every 15 seconds via UDP to a Linux server that I had set up.
I placed the unit into the trunk of the car that I allowed my
then-teenaged son to drive in order to keep tabs on him. :) It was a
fun project, and I enjoyed doing it, but if I were to design such a
system again (and I am thinking about doing exactly that) I would do
many things differently. For starters, I wouldn't use a full blown PC,
I would base it on an embedded micro such as the MC9S12C128 which has
a built-in automotive network (CAN) controller. Linking to the car's
network is important, as it allows you to monitor the state of the
vehicle (such as the current power mode, whether or not the engine is
running, whether the alarm has been tripped) and activate the tracking
unit accordingly. I'd also want the tracker to "wake up" periodically,
acquire a position fix, and report to me immediately via the GPRS link
if the vehicle had been moved without my authorization. It would have
a backup battery sufficient to operate the tracker even if the thieves
disconnect the car's battery and tow the vehicle away. A mercury tilt
switch connected to one of the GPIOs would generate a wakeup signal to
activate the tracker (and me) immediately if the vehicle is jacked or
towed. The tracker and the GPS receiver would be hidden away in the
body panels of the vehicle like a Lojack unit, so the thieves won't
know it's there and can't disable it.
I have lots more great ideas regarding this stuff - was there anything
in particular you were looking for?
Reply by David Brown●July 12, 20082008-07-12
Bit Farmer wrote:
> haresh wrote:
>> My Last post many friends have problem abt my university. I join this
>> group for help. If i said any thing wrong then sorry.
>> Right I am working project which is using 8051 to connect GSM modem
>> And GPS receiver .Its for tracking vehicle and send MSG on my or any
>> mobile about vehicle location.
>>
>> So If u have any idea Let me know right now i have a problem circuit
>> design.
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Haresh
>
> Haresh,
>
> Your request was just fine. The problem is that many newsgroups are
> populated with people who 1) want to make a joke about your request, or
> 2) want to sound so knowledgeable that you request is just an irritation.
>
His request was *not* fine. It was written in barely comprehensible
pseudo-english (I am a Scot living in Norway - I am fully aware of the
difficulties of learning and communicating in a second language. But I
also know that if you can't speak or write a language reasonably, you're
going to have a great deal of trouble persuading people to bother
listening to you). International communication in technical fields like
embedded design is done in English. If the O/P wants to be an embedded
engineer and to communicate with people from different countries, he
needs to learn English. It's not fair, it's not "right" - but it *is* a
fact of life.
Even when you bother to read his posts, the project is totally beyond
him (based on his posts). Either his "big name" university (does "big
name" mean internationally renowned - if so, why not tell us the name?)
is failing badly by giving students projects with no appropriate
guidance, or the student himself is failing badly by not using the
resources available. He has figured out the main components for his
design (although why he is specifying an 8051 is beyond me), but
apparently hasn't a clue how to turn these into a workable design, and
probably hasn't a clue how to program the system. This isn't something
that we can help with here - he needs to take appropriate courses and
study appropriate books before getting to the point where we can help
with the details.
It's not that I don't want to help a student, it's just that giving
technical advice like you did is not the help he needs.