Cosmic vs ImageCraft IDE for HCs12

Started by waltel506v July 21, 2003
Hello,
I'am currently using IAR with Motorola SDI BDM.
We are in the process of having to move forward with new product using
68S12a64. IAR has had multiple delays with release of update for new
s12xx support since Nov2002 and now not due till Oct2003.

Have attempted CodeWarrior, but Motorola\Metrowerks do not even
support thier own Motorola SDI BDM, unless you purchase the
'Professional' version. Also CodeWarrior Help and documentation
really sucks...
In review of the group, most of the IDE problems seem to deal with
CodeWarrior.

Is anyone out there using any of the following:

Cosmic IDEA with P&E Micro Multilink BDM?
or
ImageCraft ICC12 ver 6 with P&E Micro Multilink BDM?

Any comment, good or bad, about Cosmic and ImageCraft, about usability
, BDM interface and tech support would be helpful in selecting an
alternate IDE\BDM.

Thank you,

Walt Churchill
Embedded Systems
Sun Nuclear Corporation



In a message dated 7/21/03 6:37:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:
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Any comment, good or bad, about Cosmic and ImageCraft, about usability
, BDM interface and tech support would be helpful in selecting an
alternate IDE\BDM.
================================= So if cosmic and Imagecraft are in the running for your alternate IDE/BDM,
what are your candidates for primary? You haven't mentioned money. Unlimited
budget? I actually use Imagecraft HC11, HC12 and AVR compiler. Like the usability
and tech support. Dont use the BDM tho... just recompile and reflash. I link
in a little examine memory function to look around a little.


Hi,

Well since I got my Cosmic/Zap debugger at a half price promo I am pretty
happy that it all works well, from the compiler through to Zap and the P&E
multilink.
I worked with other debuggers and although Zap are not the best, it at least
seems to be surprizingly robust, once you get used to it. My projects
require heavy paged based code debugging.

Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: "waltel506v" <>
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Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:35 PM
Subject: [68HC12] Cosmic vs ImageCraft IDE for HCs12 > Hello,
> I'am currently using IAR with Motorola SDI BDM.
> We are in the process of having to move forward with new product using
> 68S12a64. IAR has had multiple delays with release of update for new
> s12xx support since Nov2002 and now not due till Oct2003.
>
> Have attempted CodeWarrior, but Motorola\Metrowerks do not even
> support thier own Motorola SDI BDM, unless you purchase the
> 'Professional' version. Also CodeWarrior Help and documentation
> really sucks...
> In review of the group, most of the IDE problems seem to deal with
> CodeWarrior.
>
> Is anyone out there using any of the following:
>
> Cosmic IDEA with P&E Micro Multilink BDM?
> or
> ImageCraft ICC12 ver 6 with P&E Micro Multilink BDM?
>
> Any comment, good or bad, about Cosmic and ImageCraft, about usability
> , BDM interface and tech support would be helpful in selecting an
> alternate IDE\BDM.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Walt Churchill
> Embedded Systems
> Sun Nuclear Corporation >
> -------------------- >
> ">http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/




waltel506v wrote:

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> Cosmic IDEA with P&E Micro Multilink BDM?

Cosmic with iSYSTEM iC3000 - great.

Although I love the Cosmic compiler because it's a very clever thing
and not a bloated can of beans (SCNR), I don't like the IDE (prefer
make and a good editor) and even less the ZAP debugger (and ZAP is
too expensive).

Regarding the BDM interface: if you look at the archives (maybe also
of the HC05/08 list), you will find that there are very often
problems with the parallel port interface. I never would use such a
thing if there are alternatives. Stay with RS232 and USB to avoid
trouble.

If spending some money is not the problem, check iSYSTEMs winIDEA,
there is a demo available, and iSYSTEM will give you a working system
with hardware to test. You will find that it's very intuitive and
powerful (and even a not so bad IDE, if you want to use it). The
iC3000 is also compact and has USB and serial interface, optional ($)
Ethernet. Maybe the iC3000 with winIDEA costs not much more than ZAP
with P&E.

A cheaper and really pretty alternative is John Hartman's NoICE
software. Run it with Elektronikladen ComPOD12/PRO. I use NoICE for
the HC08 (with Cosmic).

Another thought: If you buy a Compiler from one supplier, and the
complete debugger (HW and SW) from another, you have a standard
interface between both (IEEE695 or ELF/DWARF). But there is no
standard interface between the debugging software and hardware so you
depend on support of both parties.

Oliver
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Oliver Betz, Muenchen