Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. When I ventured into other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient s.w. Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout package. I don't know what is best or available and accepted today. Could someone give me their advice? Thank you. Joe
DE FACTO STANDARD 8051 C COMPILER AND PCB LAYOUT S.W.?
Started by ●December 23, 2010
Reply by ●December 23, 20102010-12-23
Hi Joe, On 12/23/2010 2:30 PM, justme wrote:> Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. When I ventured into > other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient > s.w. Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout > package. > > I don't know what is best or available and accepted today. Could > someone give me their advice?I think Keil is still a "respectable" product -- though I think they were bought (?). I think the same has happened to Protel (hasn't *everyone* in that market been "bought" -- multiple times???). You can expect price to have gone up :-/ A lot will depend on what you are trying to do, what you have available ($$) to do it, the environment in which you are operating (hobby, business, employee, ...) etc.
Reply by ●December 23, 20102010-12-23
On Dec 23, 2:33=A0pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote:> Hi Joe, > > On 12/23/2010 2:30 PM, justme wrote: > > > Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. =A0When I ventured into > > other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient > > s.w. =A0Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout > > package.Intel, along with others, stopped making 8051.> > > I don't know what is best or available and accepted today. =A0Could > > someone give me their advice? > > I think Keil is still a "respectable" product -- though I > think they were bought (?).by ARM inc.> > I think the same has happened to Protel (hasn't *everyone* in > that market been "bought" -- multiple times???). =A0You can > expect price to have gone up =A0:-/ > > A lot will depend on what you are trying to do, what you have > available ($$) to do it, the environment in which you are > operating (hobby, business, employee, ...) etc.
Reply by ●December 24, 20102010-12-24
Good, D. I appreciate your input. Yes, so many companies have been bought out. Hard to keep up. Joe On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:33:48 -0700, D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be@seen.com> wrote:>Hi Joe, > >On 12/23/2010 2:30 PM, justme wrote: >> Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. When I ventured into >> other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient >> s.w. Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout >> package. >> >> I don't know what is best or available and accepted today. Could >> someone give me their advice? > >I think Keil is still a "respectable" product -- though I >think they were bought (?). > >I think the same has happened to Protel (hasn't *everyone* in >that market been "bought" -- multiple times???). You can >expect price to have gone up :-/ > >A lot will depend on what you are trying to do, what you have >available ($$) to do it, the environment in which you are >operating (hobby, business, employee, ...) etc.
Reply by ●December 24, 20102010-12-24
On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:30:55 -0600, the renowned justme <jbleaux@gmail.com> wrote:>Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. When I ventured into >other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient >s.w. Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout >package. > >I don't know what is best or available and accepted today. Could >someone give me their advice? > >Thank you. > >JoeYou could do worse than Keil and Altium (formerly Protel). Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
Reply by ●December 24, 20102010-12-24
On Dec 23, 11:30=A0pm, justme <jble...@gmail.com> wrote:> Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. =A0When I ventured into > other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient > s.w. =A0Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout > package. > > I don't know what is best or available and accepted today. =A0Could > someone give me their advice? > > Thank you. > > JoeIf you're looking for cheap, try http://www.designspark.com/knowledge/pcb and http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/snap.php Depends what you want to do. If it is for a serious job, then maybe Keil etc.
Reply by ●December 24, 20102010-12-24
On 2010-12-23, justme <jbleaux@gmail.com> wrote:> Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. When I ventured into > other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient > s.w. Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout > package. > > I don't know what is best or available and accepted today. Could > someone give me their advice? >I can't help you with the 8051 compiler, but there are open source PCB packages these days which may be suitable for you. Google for geda and kicad. If you follow the ARM recommendations in the other thread, then gcc is available for ARM. Simon. PS: BTW, since you appear to be new to comp.arch.embedded, I will politely point out that Larwe is well regarded here. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980s technology to a 21st century world
Reply by ●December 24, 20102010-12-24
Thank you, Simon. I will follow up on your suggestions. Also, thank you for your assessment of the group's warm feelings about Larwe. You and all of us know that it is diffucult to REALISTICALLY judge someone's persona based upon their responses. However, he/she, to me, came across as someone who was/is ready to jump on someone yet, NOT OFFER REALISTIC HELP OR DETAILS. Perhaps I was wrong in my determination. Again, thanks. Joe On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:54:53 +0000 (UTC), Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote:>On 2010-12-23, justme <jbleaux@gmail.com> wrote: >> Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. When I ventured into >> other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient >> s.w. Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout >> package. >> >> I don't know what is best or available and accepted today. Could >> someone give me their advice? >> > >I can't help you with the 8051 compiler, but there are open source PCB >packages these days which may be suitable for you. Google for geda and >kicad. > >If you follow the ARM recommendations in the other thread, then gcc is >available for ARM. > >Simon. > >PS: BTW, since you appear to be new to comp.arch.embedded, I will politely >point out that Larwe is well regarded here.
Reply by ●December 24, 20102010-12-24
Okay, great, Rocky. Yes, it is for a serious job but I will look and see what that url has to offer. Yep, I am cheap but I also am willing to go for quality if justified. I used to use Archimedes for a C compiler. Are you saying that Keil has pcb layout software? Joe On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:07:02 -0800 (PST), Rocky <robertgush@gmail.com> wrote:>On Dec 23, 11:30�pm, justme <jble...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. �When I ventured into >> other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient >> s.w. �Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout >> package. >> >> I don't know what is best or available and accepted today. �Could >> someone give me their advice? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Joe > >If you're looking for cheap, try http://www.designspark.com/knowledge/pcb >and http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/snap.php > >Depends what you want to do. If it is for a serious job, then maybe >Keil etc.
Reply by ●December 24, 20102010-12-24
Hey, Spehro, Long time no see. Thanks for the support. Is Keil and Altium fairly assessed as the top of the line and, if so, what versions? This is a great group. I think I was here long ago. Not sure. Joe On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 02:19:20 -0500, Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:>On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:30:55 -0600, the renowned justme ><jbleaux@gmail.com> wrote: > >>Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. When I ventured into >>other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient >>s.w. Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout >>package. >> >>I don't know what is best or available and accepted today. Could >>someone give me their advice? >> >>Thank you. >> >>Joe > >You could do worse than Keil and Altium (formerly Protel). > > >Best regards, >Spehro Pefhany
