OT: Thunderbird vs. Eternal-September

I have been having a number of problems ever since I got a new laptop 
with Windows 8.  I'm not sure I can blame this one on Windows though.

I use Thunderbird to access newsgroups and it seems to mostly work most 
of the time.  But it has never worked well under Windows 8.  One 
recurring problem I have is when it updates the firewall has to be told 
of the new checksum.  Usually updating that gets it working again.  But 
this time something else seems to have happened.

First I couldn't get it to come up reliably.  Most times it wouldn't 
find the files and would show no email or newsgroup accounts.  Rebooting 
seems to have fixed that as it was waiting to run a new rev I guess or 
maybe was stuck in the middle of updating or who knows what.  I had to 
update the checksum to let it on the Internet of course.  But now when I 
start it up, it can't send any messages for a while.  It appears that if 
I ignore it and return later it has regained the ability to send a post 
and works ok after that.

Anyone have an idea of what is going on?

My firewall is Sophos and Windows defender is disabled.

lol, I guess it isn't a matter of not working when I first load the 
program.  I couldn't send this message after having sent others.

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Rick

Am 05.05.2014 23:11, schrieb rickman:
> I have been having a number of problems ever since I got a new laptop
> with Windows 8.  I'm not sure I can blame this one on Windows though.
>
> I use Thunderbird to access newsgroups and it seems to mostly work most
> of the time.  But it has never worked well under Windows 8.  One
> recurring problem I have is when it updates the firewall has to be told
> of the new checksum.  Usually updating that gets it working again.  But
> this time something else seems to have happened.
>
> First I couldn't get it to come up reliably.  Most times it wouldn't
> find the files and would show no email or newsgroup accounts.  Rebooting
> seems to have fixed that as it was waiting to run a new rev I guess or
> maybe was stuck in the middle of updating or who knows what.  I had to
> update the checksum to let it on the Internet of course.  But now when I
> start it up, it can't send any messages for a while.  It appears that if
> I ignore it and return later it has regained the ability to send a post
> and works ok after that.
>
> Anyone have an idea of what is going on?
>
> My firewall is Sophos and Windows defender is disabled.
>
> lol, I guess it isn't a matter of not working when I first load the
> program.  I couldn't send this message after having sent others.
>


I had a problem with usenet on Windows 7/Thunderbird after the 
Heartbleed disaster not being able to read news at all. Following the 
advice on http://www.eternal-september.org/?language=en&showpage=home I 
reinstalled the root certificate at Thunderbird and the usenet account.
But I am not sure if your problem is solved so easily...

On 05/05/14 23:11, rickman wrote:
> I have been having a number of problems ever since I got a new laptop
> with Windows 8.  I'm not sure I can blame this one on Windows though.
>
> I use Thunderbird to access newsgroups and it seems to mostly work most
> of the time.  But it has never worked well under Windows 8.  One
> recurring problem I have is when it updates the firewall has to be told
> of the new checksum.  Usually updating that gets it working again.  But
> this time something else seems to have happened.
>
> First I couldn't get it to come up reliably.  Most times it wouldn't
> find the files and would show no email or newsgroup accounts.  Rebooting
> seems to have fixed that as it was waiting to run a new rev I guess or
> maybe was stuck in the middle of updating or who knows what.  I had to
> update the checksum to let it on the Internet of course.  But now when I
> start it up, it can't send any messages for a while.  It appears that if
> I ignore it and return later it has regained the ability to send a post
> and works ok after that.
>
> Anyone have an idea of what is going on?
>
> My firewall is Sophos and Windows defender is disabled.
>
> lol, I guess it isn't a matter of not working when I first load the
> program.  I couldn't send this message after having sent others.
>

I use Thunderbird with Eternal-September without problems, but that's on 
Linux (my old Windows machine is XP - let's just say Windows 8 doesn't 
appeal to me).  So I'd blame your woes on Windows as a knee-jerk reaction.

On 5/5/2014 5:11 PM, rickman wrote:
> I have been having a number of problems ever since I got a new laptop
> with Windows 8.  I'm not sure I can blame this one on Windows though.
>
> I use Thunderbird to access newsgroups and it seems to mostly work most
> of the time.  But it has never worked well under Windows 8.  One
> recurring problem I have is when it updates the firewall has to be told
> of the new checksum.  Usually updating that gets it working again.  But
> this time something else seems to have happened.
>
> First I couldn't get it to come up reliably.  Most times it wouldn't
> find the files and would show no email or newsgroup accounts.  Rebooting
> seems to have fixed that as it was waiting to run a new rev I guess or
> maybe was stuck in the middle of updating or who knows what.  I had to
> update the checksum to let it on the Internet of course.  But now when I
> start it up, it can't send any messages for a while.  It appears that if
> I ignore it and return later it has regained the ability to send a post
> and works ok after that.
>
> Anyone have an idea of what is going on?
>
> My firewall is Sophos and Windows defender is disabled.
>
> lol, I guess it isn't a matter of not working when I first load the
> program.  I couldn't send this message after having sent others.

I have figured out my latest issue with Thunderbird.  When I create a 
post, I have to have read a newsgroup within some time window in order 
to send the post.  I have never seen this before.  Anyone know what is 
happening?

-- 

Rick

On 2014-05-07, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have figured out my latest issue with Thunderbird.  When I create a 
> post, I have to have read a newsgroup within some time window in order 
> to send the post.  I have never seen this before.  Anyone know what is 
> happening?
>

NNTP connections to Eternal September time out after a few minutes.
However, your client should just do the reconnection automatically.

That's what happens with slrn; it just does the reconnect to Eternal
September automatically and then posts my message.

That sounds like it might be a bug. Are there any automatic reconnect
options within Thunderbird ?

Simon.

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On 5/7/2014 1:10 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2014-05-07, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have figured out my latest issue with Thunderbird.  When I create a
>> post, I have to have read a newsgroup within some time window in order
>> to send the post.  I have never seen this before.  Anyone know what is
>> happening?
>>
>
> NNTP connections to Eternal September time out after a few minutes.
> However, your client should just do the reconnection automatically.
>
> That's what happens with slrn; it just does the reconnect to Eternal
> September automatically and then posts my message.
>
> That sounds like it might be a bug. Are there any automatic reconnect
> options within Thunderbird ?

Yes, I found a setting called "always authenticate" or something like 
that.  Seems I had turned it off trying to get it to work when the 
problem was the firewall.

I have had a *lot* more trouble with the Sophos firewall under Win8 than 
I ever did Vista or XP.  I don't know what they did to Windows 8 but a 
year later Sophos is still missing some UI functionality.  They used to 
pop up a dialog when a running process checksum didn't match providing a 
choice of updating it.  Now I have to figure out on my own that a bad 
checksum is the culprit and then track down the offending file in the 1 
TB of disk space I have.  I just resolved a merry chase because IE 
updated and for lord knows what reason, there are two copies of it with 
different checksums.  BOTH run and I chased that for three days before 
someone pointed me to a utility from MS called Process Explorer which 
pointed me to the correct directories.  Seems both the 64 bit and the 32 
bit versions run when you start the 64 bit version.  8-*

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Rick