krw@attt.bizz wrote:> > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:43:50 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: > > >On 9/22/2014 9:05 PM, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > >> In comp.arch.embedded Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> wrote: > <...> > >>> I believe most products here are labeled in "dual units". > >>> People can read whichever they are most comfortable with. > > > >That only applies to some products like food. Try buying an 18 mm drill > >bit at Home Depot. > > Nonsense. 18mm is quite large (and I didn't look at all drill bits) > but HD *does* sell metric drill bits. > > 11mm: > http://www.homedepot.com/p/Gyros-11-mm-Premium-Industrial-Grade-High-Speed-Steel-Black-Oxide-Metric-Drill-Bit-6-Pack-45-42124/204614400 > >>> For comparison shopping, do you care if the tag alongside > >>> the price normalizes the cost to ounces instead of grams/liters? > >>> All you really care is to have a number that allows you to > >>> unambiguously compare a "unit" of product A to an equivalent > >>> unit of product B. > >> > >> Most stores now have unit prices on the tag. Either required by > >> law, or to make customers happy. > > > >Unit pricing is often a joke. Things I buy in pounds are unit priced in > >oz and the other way around. Metric would be so much nice as I wouldn't > >care if they priced it by the ml or dl or l. I can convert that in my > >head. > > Who cares, as long as the same units are used?Who buys tools from Home Depot? I have Fastenal and Grainger stores near me where I can buy industrial grade. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards?
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glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:> > For reasons I don't remember, carbonated soft drinks, such as > Coca-Cola, are commonly sold in 1L and 2L bottles, in addition > to 12oz cans and 20oz bottles.Some soft drinks are sold in three liter bottles, in the US. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
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On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 12:34:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> Gave us:> >Hans-Bernhard Br�ker wrote: >> >> Am 22.09.2014 um 19:06 schrieb Don Y: >> >> > My point was that we all use an odd collection of units -- even "metrified" >> > countries -- every day. >> >> You may never have been to a truly "metrified" country, then. >> >> E.g. here in Germany there's basically no non-metric unit left in >> practical, much less every-day use. And it's been like that since about >> the 1950s, at the least. > > > None of your electronics is 19" rackmount?It is a worldwide standard. It is part of EIA-310. If you do not subscribe to EIA standards, you likely do not make it as a worldwide player. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_unit In metric, 482 mm (482.6).
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On 10/8/2014 4:10 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:> On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 12:34:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> Gave us: > >> >> Hans-Bernhard Br�ker wrote: >>> >>> Am 22.09.2014 um 19:06 schrieb Don Y: >>> >>>> My point was that we all use an odd collection of units -- even "metrified" >>>> countries -- every day. >>> >>> You may never have been to a truly "metrified" country, then. >>> >>> E.g. here in Germany there's basically no non-metric unit left in >>> practical, much less every-day use. And it's been like that since about >>> the 1950s, at the least. >> >> >> None of your electronics is 19" rackmount? > > It is a worldwide standard. > > It is part of EIA-310. > > If you do not subscribe to EIA standards, you likely do not make it as > a worldwide player. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_unit > > In metric, 482 mm (482.6).I don't like to quote Wikipedia as a reference for facts (they don't consider themselves to be a primary reference) from the wiki page linked above... "What is important to note is that although it is called a 19" inch rack unit, the actual mounting dimensions of a 19" inch rack unit are 18.19" inches (462 mm) wide, center to center." I don't think I ever figured out what feature of a 19" rack was actually 19 inches. -- Rick
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On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 17:31:34 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:>On 10/8/2014 4:10 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote: >> On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 12:34:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> Gave us: >> >>> >>> Hans-Bernhard Br�ker wrote: >>>> >>>> Am 22.09.2014 um 19:06 schrieb Don Y: >>>> >>>>> My point was that we all use an odd collection of units -- even "metrified" >>>>> countries -- every day. >>>> >>>> You may never have been to a truly "metrified" country, then. >>>> >>>> E.g. here in Germany there's basically no non-metric unit left in >>>> practical, much less every-day use. And it's been like that since about >>>> the 1950s, at the least. >>> >>> >>> None of your electronics is 19" rackmount? >> >> It is a worldwide standard. >> >> It is part of EIA-310. >> >> If you do not subscribe to EIA standards, you likely do not make it as >> a worldwide player. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_unit >> >> In metric, 482 mm (482.6). > >I don't like to quote Wikipedia as a reference for factsNobody ever said you was very bright. That is NOT how one "uses it".> (they don't >consider themselves to be a primary reference)No shit, Sherlock.> from the wiki page linked >above...We DO NOT need a fucking PRIMER about WIKIPEDIA from you, DOLT!!!>"What is important to note is that although it is called a 19" inch rack >unit, the actual mounting dimensions of a 19" inch rack unit are 18.19" >inches (462 mm) wide, center to center." > >I don't think I ever figured out what feature of a 19" rack was actually >19 inches.The bolt hole center is not what is being declared. If one takes that 19 inch width as being the outermost dimension of the flanges on each side of the rack, known to the industry as "ears", one can see where the number comes from. Of course, the bolt hole center dimension is the only one that is truly hard and fast as modern "designers" scrimp on every gram of steel or Aluminum they can (in all the wrong places), like idiots. Modern rack designs use at least three different attachment methodologies. The one I like the most is the cage nut method, as the captured nut is a case hardened, properly threaded component, which floats a bit in it location, allowing for mismatches to be more easily dealt with. The standard was for a #10 screw for a long time as well. I like, however, the newer 6mm screw variety, as it threads in much easier and is far less likely to jam up during installation or field servicing. The number ten screws simply bugger up too easily, and the holes are machine drill and tapped and they never change out the taps often enough and there is never a lead in chamfer on the holes, so screws and holes get messed up, especially when using power driver devices. The 6mm screws using the cage nut are rolled thread, hard screws and the cage nuts are all made with a proper lead in. Shtuff goes together much smoother.
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On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 14:53:37 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> Gave us:>On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 17:31:34 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us: >>>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_unit >>> >>> In metric, 482 mm (482.6). >> >>I don't like to quote Wikipedia as a reference for facts > > Nobody ever said you was very bright. That is NOT how one "uses it".Friggin' crybabies who need their hand held every step through life. Almost unbearable. Especially at your age. Here, crybaby... http://www.server-racks.com/eia-310.html
Reply by ●October 9, 20142014-10-09
Michael A. Terrell wrote:> Hans-Bernhard Br�ker wrote: >>Am 22.09.2014 um 19:06 schrieb Don Y: >>>My point was that we all use an odd collection of units -- even "metrified" >>>countries -- every day. >> >>You may never have been to a truly "metrified" country, then. >> >>E.g. here in Germany there's basically no non-metric unit left in >>practical, much less every-day use. And it's been like that since about >>the 1950s, at the least.(I still occasionally buy bread by the pound, and I believe you can still buy coal by the hundredweight. Both metric, of course (500g, 50kg).)> None of your electronics is 19" rackmount?That's the same trick they used for floppies: "19-inch rack" is a type specification, not a size, much like "3-1/2 inch floppy" is a type specification for a magnetic disc within a 89mm plastic case. Bicycles are also sold by inch sizes ("a 28-inch bike") intended as type specifications. An anecdote I heard a while ago was that one bus operator wrote in their terms and conditions that bikes "up to 20 inch" are free, meaning children's bikes. Somebody used this to say "by <insert old obscure definition of inch here>, my bike has just 19,5 inch wheels, so it's free", and got admitted. Stefan
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 19:09:46 +0200, Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> wrote:>Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> Hans-Bernhard Br�ker wrote: >>>Am 22.09.2014 um 19:06 schrieb Don Y: >>>>My point was that we all use an odd collection of units -- even "metrified" >>>>countries -- every day. >>> >>>You may never have been to a truly "metrified" country, then. >>> >>>E.g. here in Germany there's basically no non-metric unit left in >>>practical, much less every-day use. And it's been like that since about >>>the 1950s, at the least. > >(I still occasionally buy bread by the pound, and I believe you can >still buy coal by the hundredweight. Both metric, of course (500g, 50kg).) > >> None of your electronics is 19" rackmount? > >That's the same trick they used for floppies: "19-inch rack" is a type >specification, not a size, much like "3-1/2 inch floppy" is a type >specification for a magnetic disc within a 89mm plastic case."3 1/2 inch" floppies are actually 90mm.
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On 09/10/14 20:44, Robert Wessel wrote:> On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 19:09:46 +0200, Stefan Reuther > <stefan.news@arcor.de> wrote: > >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>> Hans-Bernhard Br�ker wrote: >>>> Am 22.09.2014 um 19:06 schrieb Don Y: >>>>> My point was that we all use an odd collection of units -- even "metrified" >>>>> countries -- every day. >>>> >>>> You may never have been to a truly "metrified" country, then. >>>> >>>> E.g. here in Germany there's basically no non-metric unit left in >>>> practical, much less every-day use. And it's been like that since about >>>> the 1950s, at the least. >> >> (I still occasionally buy bread by the pound, and I believe you can >> still buy coal by the hundredweight. Both metric, of course (500g, 50kg).) >> >>> None of your electronics is 19" rackmount? >> >> That's the same trick they used for floppies: "19-inch rack" is a type >> specification, not a size, much like "3-1/2 inch floppy" is a type >> specification for a magnetic disc within a 89mm plastic case. > > > "3 1/2 inch" floppies are actually 90mm. >I had someone in my office today looking for a 3.5" floppy - it turns out that they are still useful. (Apparently they make excellent IR filters!)
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David Brown wrote:> > On 09/10/14 20:44, Robert Wessel wrote: > > On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 19:09:46 +0200, Stefan Reuther > > <stefan.news@arcor.de> wrote: > > > >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>> Hans-Bernhard Br�ker wrote: > >>>> Am 22.09.2014 um 19:06 schrieb Don Y: > >>>>> My point was that we all use an odd collection of units -- even "metrified" > >>>>> countries -- every day. > >>>> > >>>> You may never have been to a truly "metrified" country, then. > >>>> > >>>> E.g. here in Germany there's basically no non-metric unit left in > >>>> practical, much less every-day use. And it's been like that since about > >>>> the 1950s, at the least. > >> > >> (I still occasionally buy bread by the pound, and I believe you can > >> still buy coal by the hundredweight. Both metric, of course (500g, 50kg).) > >> > >>> None of your electronics is 19" rackmount? > >> > >> That's the same trick they used for floppies: "19-inch rack" is a type > >> specification, not a size, much like "3-1/2 inch floppy" is a type > >> specification for a magnetic disc within a 89mm plastic case. > > > > > > "3 1/2 inch" floppies are actually 90mm. > > > > I had someone in my office today looking for a 3.5" floppy - it turns > out that they are still useful. (Apparently they make excellent IR > filters!)I have about 1000 new ones in sealed boxes from my days of computer repair. They were bought for pennies on the dollar and what I used of them have already paid for all of them. -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
