Title says it -- there's an interesting and on-topic question on the usually-moribund sci.engr.control. I'd love it if that group came to life again, so feel free to go look! (I told the guy to post it there OR to comp.dsp -- I maybe should have mentioned cross-posting. Oh well.) ((And pardon me for spamming a bit. I hope it's for a good cause. If not, I could start hawking solutions manuals.)) -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com
Interesting question on sci.engr.control
Started by ●November 18, 2014
Reply by ●November 18, 20142014-11-18
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:22:27 -0600, Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote:>Title says it -- there's an interesting and on-topic question on the >usually-moribund sci.engr.control. I'd love it if that group came to life >again, so feel free to go look! > >(I told the guy to post it there OR to comp.dsp -- I maybe should have >mentioned cross-posting. Oh well.) > >((And pardon me for spamming a bit. I hope it's for a good cause. If >not, I could start hawking solutions manuals.))So what was the question? Eric Jacobsen Anchor Hill Communications http://www.anchorhill.com
Reply by ●November 18, 20142014-11-18
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:16:53 +0000, Eric Jacobsen wrote:> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:22:27 -0600, Tim Wescott > <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: > >>Title says it -- there's an interesting and on-topic question on the >>usually-moribund sci.engr.control. I'd love it if that group came to >>life again, so feel free to go look! >> >>(I told the guy to post it there OR to comp.dsp -- I maybe should have >>mentioned cross-posting. Oh well.) >> >>((And pardon me for spamming a bit. I hope it's for a good cause. If >>not, I could start hawking solutions manuals.)) > > So what was the question?It pertained to modeling motors in the z domain. You could go look. -- www.wescottdesign.com
Reply by ●November 18, 20142014-11-18
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:53:29 -0600, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> wrote:>On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:16:53 +0000, Eric Jacobsen wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:22:27 -0600, Tim Wescott >> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >> >>>Title says it -- there's an interesting and on-topic question on the >>>usually-moribund sci.engr.control. I'd love it if that group came to >>>life again, so feel free to go look! >>> >>>(I told the guy to post it there OR to comp.dsp -- I maybe should have >>>mentioned cross-posting. Oh well.) >>> >>>((And pardon me for spamming a bit. I hope it's for a good cause. If >>>not, I could start hawking solutions manuals.)) >> >> So what was the question? > >It pertained to modeling motors in the z domain. You could go look.That group seems to be 100% spam. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing laser drivers and controllers jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
Reply by ●November 19, 20142014-11-19
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 19:50:02 -0800, John Larkin wrote:> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:53:29 -0600, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> > wrote: > >>On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:16:53 +0000, Eric Jacobsen wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:22:27 -0600, Tim Wescott >>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>> >>>>Title says it -- there's an interesting and on-topic question on the >>>>usually-moribund sci.engr.control. I'd love it if that group came to >>>>life again, so feel free to go look! >>>> >>>>(I told the guy to post it there OR to comp.dsp -- I maybe should have >>>>mentioned cross-posting. Oh well.) >>>> >>>>((And pardon me for spamming a bit. I hope it's for a good cause. If >>>>not, I could start hawking solutions manuals.)) >>> >>> So what was the question? >> >>It pertained to modeling motors in the z domain. You could go look. > > That group seems to be 100% spam.It used to be a good group. If you look at the dates, you'll see that it gets less spam than s.e.d -- it's just that it gets even less real traffic. -- www.wescottdesign.com
Reply by ●November 19, 20142014-11-19
On 11/19/2014 2:05 AM, Tim Wescott wrote:> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 19:50:02 -0800, John Larkin wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:53:29 -0600, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:16:53 +0000, Eric Jacobsen wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:22:27 -0600, Tim Wescott >>>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Title says it -- there's an interesting and on-topic question on the >>>>> usually-moribund sci.engr.control. I'd love it if that group came to >>>>> life again, so feel free to go look! >>>>> >>>>> (I told the guy to post it there OR to comp.dsp -- I maybe should have >>>>> mentioned cross-posting. Oh well.) >>>>> >>>>> ((And pardon me for spamming a bit. I hope it's for a good cause. If >>>>> not, I could start hawking solutions manuals.)) >>>> >>>> So what was the question? >>> >>> It pertained to modeling motors in the z domain. You could go look. >> >> That group seems to be 100% spam. > > It used to be a good group. If you look at the dates, you'll see that it > gets less spam than s.e.d -- it's just that it gets even less real > traffic.Yeah, like spam is the worst thing to post in a newsgroup! I'll take spam over a lot of the bickering crap that goes on here. -- Rick
Reply by ●November 19, 20142014-11-19
On 19/11/14 08:16, rickman wrote:> On 11/19/2014 2:05 AM, Tim Wescott wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 19:50:02 -0800, John Larkin wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:53:29 -0600, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:16:53 +0000, Eric Jacobsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:22:27 -0600, Tim Wescott >>>>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Title says it -- there's an interesting and on-topic question on the >>>>>> usually-moribund sci.engr.control. I'd love it if that group came to >>>>>> life again, so feel free to go look! >>>>>> >>>>>> (I told the guy to post it there OR to comp.dsp -- I maybe should >>>>>> have >>>>>> mentioned cross-posting. Oh well.) >>>>>> >>>>>> ((And pardon me for spamming a bit. I hope it's for a good >>>>>> cause. If >>>>>> not, I could start hawking solutions manuals.)) >>>>> >>>>> So what was the question? >>>> >>>> It pertained to modeling motors in the z domain. You could go look. >>> >>> That group seems to be 100% spam. >> >> It used to be a good group. If you look at the dates, you'll see that it >> gets less spam than s.e.d -- it's just that it gets even less real >> traffic. > > Yeah, like spam is the worst thing to post in a newsgroup! I'll take > spam over a lot of the bickering crap that goes on here. >With a cross-post to three groups, it's hard to know what you mean by "here". I don't know much about comp.dsp (I used to follow it, but most of the on-topic posts are over my head), but in comp.arch.embedded there is little in the way of "bickering crap" - /except/ when someone cross-posts to sci.electronics.design. sci.electronics.design is a social network for retired or almost-retired heavily right-wing Americans who like to discuss their families, the state of their prostate glands, and how Obama has single-handedly worked to destroy the American way since before he was born. Other regular characters in the group include a few who stand up to the right wing "politicians" - posting the same arguments again and again, with all the stubbornness and effectiveness of a fly beating its head against a window (it makes absolutely no difference who is "right" or who has the facts on their side). Occasionally there will be a thread that is interesting or entertaining, and I've been known to join in sometimes too - if people are reasonably well-mannered, it's nice to discuss something non-technical sometimes. On the side, sci.electronics.design has a small but useful proportion of technical electronics threads - and there are people (like Tim and Rick) who are knowledgeable, experienced and helpful who join in. There are also several regulars who combine roles - they are both highly skilled engineers, /and/ highly argumentative amateur politicians. Unfortunately, even those threads often end up swamped by people who seem to think that the aim of newsgroups is to think up new ways to call people "idiot". (And yes, I know my post here is going to draw knee-jerk responses from certain s.e.d. regulars, calling me all sorts of things. But perhaps they will see that they would only be re-enforcing my point.) As a comp.arch.embedded regular, I would greatly appreciate it if people did not cross-post between comp.arch.embedded and sci.electronics.design - even when it is an on-topic post that touches both areas. If you look back through the history of c.a.e. at threads that got out of hand, or filled with bickering or insults, you will see that many of them were such cross-posts. But I agree with Rick that real spam is not a problem in any of these groups - it is not hard to "kill" or "ignore" threads offering "solution manuals" for sale.
Reply by ●November 19, 20142014-11-19
On 11/19/2014 3:32 AM, David Brown wrote:> On 19/11/14 08:16, rickman wrote: >> On 11/19/2014 2:05 AM, Tim Wescott wrote: >>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 19:50:02 -0800, John Larkin wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:53:29 -0600, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:16:53 +0000, Eric Jacobsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:22:27 -0600, Tim Wescott >>>>>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Title says it -- there's an interesting and on-topic question on the >>>>>>> usually-moribund sci.engr.control. I'd love it if that group came to >>>>>>> life again, so feel free to go look! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (I told the guy to post it there OR to comp.dsp -- I maybe should >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> mentioned cross-posting. Oh well.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ((And pardon me for spamming a bit. I hope it's for a good >>>>>>> cause. If >>>>>>> not, I could start hawking solutions manuals.)) >>>>>> >>>>>> So what was the question? >>>>> >>>>> It pertained to modeling motors in the z domain. You could go look. >>>> >>>> That group seems to be 100% spam. >>> >>> It used to be a good group. If you look at the dates, you'll see that it >>> gets less spam than s.e.d -- it's just that it gets even less real >>> traffic. >> >> Yeah, like spam is the worst thing to post in a newsgroup! I'll take >> spam over a lot of the bickering crap that goes on here. >> > > With a cross-post to three groups, it's hard to know what you mean by > "here". I don't know much about comp.dsp (I used to follow it, but most > of the on-topic posts are over my head), but in comp.arch.embedded there > is little in the way of "bickering crap" - /except/ when someone > cross-posts to sci.electronics.design.Got it in one!> sci.electronics.design is a social network for retired or almost-retired > heavily right-wing Americans who like to discuss their families, the > state of their prostate glands, and how Obama has single-handedly worked > to destroy the American way since before he was born. Other regular > characters in the group include a few who stand up to the right wing > "politicians" - posting the same arguments again and again, with all the > stubbornness and effectiveness of a fly beating its head against a > window (it makes absolutely no difference who is "right" or who has the > facts on their side). Occasionally there will be a thread that is > interesting or entertaining, and I've been known to join in sometimes > too - if people are reasonably well-mannered, it's nice to discuss > something non-technical sometimes. > > On the side, sci.electronics.design has a small but useful proportion of > technical electronics threads - and there are people (like Tim and Rick) > who are knowledgeable, experienced and helpful who join in. There are > also several regulars who combine roles - they are both highly skilled > engineers, /and/ highly argumentative amateur politicians. > Unfortunately, even those threads often end up swamped by people who > seem to think that the aim of newsgroups is to think up new ways to call > people "idiot".It is some people's favorite word.> (And yes, I know my post here is going to draw knee-jerk responses from > certain s.e.d. regulars, calling me all sorts of things. But perhaps > they will see that they would only be re-enforcing my point.)Not much chance of the "seeing" part. But maybe this will just pass under their RADAR.> As a comp.arch.embedded regular, I would greatly appreciate it if people > did not cross-post between comp.arch.embedded and sci.electronics.design > - even when it is an on-topic post that touches both areas. If you look > back through the history of c.a.e. at threads that got out of hand, or > filled with bickering or insults, you will see that many of them were > such cross-posts.Yeah, that's good advice. s.e.d should be quarantined. You can go back and forth, but should be inspected to make sure you don't cross contaminate.> But I agree with Rick that real spam is not a problem in any of these > groups - it is not hard to "kill" or "ignore" threads offering "solution > manuals" for sale.Whoa! I'm not sure I remember what it feels like to have someone "agree" with me... :) -- Rick
Reply by ●November 19, 20142014-11-19
On 19/11/14 10:00, rickman wrote:> > Whoa! I'm not sure I remember what it feels like to have someone > "agree" with me... :) >You've been hanging out in s.e.d. too much, where we all disagree on principle. Or maybe comp.arch.fpga, were people can't understand enough of each others posts to agree :-)
Reply by ●November 19, 20142014-11-19
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:53:29 -0600, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> wrote:>On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:16:53 +0000, Eric Jacobsen wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:22:27 -0600, Tim Wescott >> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >> >>>Title says it -- there's an interesting and on-topic question on the >>>usually-moribund sci.engr.control. I'd love it if that group came to >>>life again, so feel free to go look! >>> >>>(I told the guy to post it there OR to comp.dsp -- I maybe should have >>>mentioned cross-posting. Oh well.) >>> >>>((And pardon me for spamming a bit. I hope it's for a good cause. If >>>not, I could start hawking solutions manuals.)) >> >> So what was the question? > >It pertained to modeling motors in the z domain. You could go look.Was trying to determine whether it was worth the time. The cry of the barker saying, "Come look behind the curtain!" with inadequate information of what might be found is usually not worth the trip. Eric Jacobsen Anchor Hill Communications http://www.anchorhill.com
