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Started by rickman June 28, 2016
krw@attt.bizz writes:
>>There are plenty of ARMs available for under $2. > (Well) Under $1.
Can you suggest any specific part numbers? Thanks.
On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 17:11:35 -0700, Paul Rubin
<no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>krw@attt.bizz writes: >>>There are plenty of ARMs available for under $2. >> (Well) Under $1. > >Can you suggest any specific part numbers? Thanks.
Atmel M0s.
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>> and costs $1-$2 instead of $10+. > I'm not sure what you mean about this. There are plenty of ARMs > available for under $2.
The comparison was with the Nucleo 32 board, not a bare package.
> If you are just making a few of some design why do you care about such > a small cost?
Maybe I'd like to publish the design so other people can make their own. People like cheap stuff.
> If you are making a lot of something, why would you want a DIP > package?
DIP is easier for prototyping or hand assembly, and then it's nice to have a compatible SMT part if a board is being made someplace.
kristoff <kristoff@skypro.be> writes:
> Only NXP makes cortex-M MCUs in DIP packate: the LPC1114 and the > LPC810. The latter is a DIP8 package like the ATtiny-series.
Yes I know about those but they're not really comparable.
> maple mini... You can buy clones from then from the wellknown Chinese > webshops for a couple of euros / dollars,
That's interesting and worth keeping in mind. I'd seen the maple mini before but didn't know about these clones.
> and it is actually a cortex M3 running at 72 Mhz, so quite > powerfull.
In reality the AVR is more than powerful enough for most of the things they are used for: monitor a few pushbuttons, turn a light on and off, etc. High computational power has its uses but I'm also interested in micropower devices where the cpu runs at a few khz, just enough to run an RTC and a few gpio inputs.
On 31.7.2016 &#1075;. 03:06, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
> ..... >> >> ARMs are not second sourced because different manufacturers don't >> generally make pin compatible packages. Even if they did and use the >> same processor, they don't use the same peripherals, so they aren't >> second sourced. > > Who cares about pinouts? Spin the board if your suppliers croaks. If > they're still building the part, why would you want to change? > > >> I'm pretty well over this discussion. > > You're lying, again. >
But he was correct that you are trolling. Who cares about pinouts. Who cares about the same peripherals. So where is the second sourcing this is about, Einstein. I have yet to see a post of yours which is other than trolling, could you please keep them within SED, not that CAE is perfect but we don't have any regular trolls. Dimiter ------------------------------------------------------ Dimiter Popoff, TGI http://www.tgi-sci.com ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.flickr.com/photos/didi_tgi/
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:55:50 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

>On 31.7.2016 ?. 03:06, krw@attt.bizz wrote: >> ..... >>> >>> ARMs are not second sourced because different manufacturers don't >>> generally make pin compatible packages. Even if they did and use the >>> same processor, they don't use the same peripherals, so they aren't >>> second sourced. >> >> Who cares about pinouts? Spin the board if your suppliers croaks. If >> they're still building the part, why would you want to change? >> >> >>> I'm pretty well over this discussion. >> >> You're lying, again. >> > >But he was correct that you are trolling.
You're as stupid as he is, obviously.
>Who cares about pinouts. Who cares about the same peripherals. >So where is the second sourcing this is about, Einstein.
The peripherals are very similar. If your code isn't a pile of spaghetti, changing one peripheral for another isn't a huge problem. The hard stuff doesn't have to change.
>I have yet to see a post of yours which is other than trolling, >could you please keep them within SED, not that CAE is perfect >but we don't have any regular trolls.
To put it another way, "here's your sign." A disagreement is not a troll, stupid.
On 31.7.2016 &#1075;. 16:12, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:55:50 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> > wrote: > >> On 31.7.2016 ?. 03:06, krw@attt.bizz wrote: >>> ..... >>>> >>>> ARMs are not second sourced because different manufacturers don't >>>> generally make pin compatible packages. Even if they did and use the >>>> same processor, they don't use the same peripherals, so they aren't >>>> second sourced. >>> >>> Who cares about pinouts? Spin the board if your suppliers croaks. If >>> they're still building the part, why would you want to change? >>> >>> >>>> I'm pretty well over this discussion. >>> >>> You're lying, again. >>> >> >> But he was correct that you are trolling. > > You're as stupid as he is, obviously.
Perhaps so, engaging in an exchange with the troll of the group I have known to be that for many years. Not the brightest thing to waste my time with indeed.
>> Who cares about pinouts. Who cares about the same peripherals. >> So where is the second sourcing this is about, Einstein. > > The peripherals are very similar. If your code isn't a pile of > spaghetti, changing one peripheral for another isn't a huge problem. > The hard stuff doesn't have to change.
So you have to redesign the board, you have to modify the software and you have a "second source". Whoever told you you have anything to do with design and programming has lied.
>> I have yet to see a post of yours which is other than trolling, >> could you please keep them within SED, not that CAE is perfect >> but we don't have any regular trolls. > > To put it another way, "here's your sign." > > A disagreement is not a troll, stupid.
Yeah, feel free to disagree you are a troll. Or that 1+1=2, whatever. Dimiter
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:22:41 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

>On 31.7.2016 ?. 16:12, krw@attt.bizz wrote: >> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:55:50 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 31.7.2016 ?. 03:06, krw@attt.bizz wrote: >>>> ..... >>>>> >>>>> ARMs are not second sourced because different manufacturers don't >>>>> generally make pin compatible packages. Even if they did and use the >>>>> same processor, they don't use the same peripherals, so they aren't >>>>> second sourced. >>>> >>>> Who cares about pinouts? Spin the board if your suppliers croaks. If >>>> they're still building the part, why would you want to change? >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm pretty well over this discussion. >>>> >>>> You're lying, again. >>>> >>> >>> But he was correct that you are trolling. >> >> You're as stupid as he is, obviously. > >Perhaps so, engaging in an exchange with the troll of the group >I have known to be that for many years. Not the brightest >thing to waste my time with indeed.
Yet you insist on doing what you think to be stupid. That *is* classical stupid.
>>> Who cares about pinouts. Who cares about the same peripherals. >>> So where is the second sourcing this is about, Einstein. >> >> The peripherals are very similar. If your code isn't a pile of >> spaghetti, changing one peripheral for another isn't a huge problem. >> The hard stuff doesn't have to change. > >So you have to redesign the board, you have to modify the software >and you have a "second source". Whoever told you you have anything >to do with design and programming has lied.
Better than having no product to sell. Yes.
> >>> I have yet to see a post of yours which is other than trolling, >>> could you please keep them within SED, not that CAE is perfect >>> but we don't have any regular trolls. >> >> To put it another way, "here's your sign." >> >> A disagreement is not a troll, stupid. > >Yeah, feel free to disagree you are a troll. Or that 1+1=2, >whatever.
Yet you're stupid enough to continue doing something that you think is stupid. Amazing. ...or you're just another liar.
On 31.7.2016 &#1075;. 17:26, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:22:41 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> > wrote: > >> On 31.7.2016 ?. 16:12, krw@attt.bizz wrote: >>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:55:50 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 31.7.2016 ?. 03:06, krw@attt.bizz wrote: >>>>> ..... >>>>>> >>>>>> ARMs are not second sourced because different manufacturers don't >>>>>> generally make pin compatible packages. Even if they did and use the >>>>>> same processor, they don't use the same peripherals, so they aren't >>>>>> second sourced. >>>>> >>>>> Who cares about pinouts? Spin the board if your suppliers croaks. If >>>>> they're still building the part, why would you want to change? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'm pretty well over this discussion. >>>>> >>>>> You're lying, again. >>>>> >>>> >>>> But he was correct that you are trolling. >>> >>> You're as stupid as he is, obviously. >> >> Perhaps so, engaging in an exchange with the troll of the group >> I have known to be that for many years. Not the brightest >> thing to waste my time with indeed. > > Yet you insist on doing what you think to be stupid. That *is* > classical stupid. > >>>> Who cares about pinouts. Who cares about the same peripherals. >>>> So where is the second sourcing this is about, Einstein. >>> >>> The peripherals are very similar. If your code isn't a pile of >>> spaghetti, changing one peripheral for another isn't a huge problem. >>> The hard stuff doesn't have to change. >> >> So you have to redesign the board, you have to modify the software >> and you have a "second source". Whoever told you you have anything >> to do with design and programming has lied. > > Better than having no product to sell. Yes. >> >>>> I have yet to see a post of yours which is other than trolling, >>>> could you please keep them within SED, not that CAE is perfect >>>> but we don't have any regular trolls. >>> >>> To put it another way, "here's your sign." >>> >>> A disagreement is not a troll, stupid. >> >> Yeah, feel free to disagree you are a troll. Or that 1+1=2, >> whatever. > > Yet you're stupid enough to continue doing something that you think is > stupid. Amazing. ...or you're just another liar. >
So where did I lie, Einstein.
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:38:22 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

>On 31.7.2016 ?. 17:26, krw@attt.bizz wrote: >> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:22:41 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 31.7.2016 ?. 16:12, krw@attt.bizz wrote: >>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:55:50 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 31.7.2016 ?. 03:06, krw@attt.bizz wrote: >>>>>> ..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ARMs are not second sourced because different manufacturers don't >>>>>>> generally make pin compatible packages. Even if they did and use the >>>>>>> same processor, they don't use the same peripherals, so they aren't >>>>>>> second sourced. >>>>>> >>>>>> Who cares about pinouts? Spin the board if your suppliers croaks. If >>>>>> they're still building the part, why would you want to change? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm pretty well over this discussion. >>>>>> >>>>>> You're lying, again. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But he was correct that you are trolling. >>>> >>>> You're as stupid as he is, obviously. >>> >>> Perhaps so, engaging in an exchange with the troll of the group >>> I have known to be that for many years. Not the brightest >>> thing to waste my time with indeed. >> >> Yet you insist on doing what you think to be stupid. That *is* >> classical stupid. >> >>>>> Who cares about pinouts. Who cares about the same peripherals. >>>>> So where is the second sourcing this is about, Einstein. >>>> >>>> The peripherals are very similar. If your code isn't a pile of >>>> spaghetti, changing one peripheral for another isn't a huge problem. >>>> The hard stuff doesn't have to change. >>> >>> So you have to redesign the board, you have to modify the software >>> and you have a "second source". Whoever told you you have anything >>> to do with design and programming has lied. >> >> Better than having no product to sell. Yes. >>> >>>>> I have yet to see a post of yours which is other than trolling, >>>>> could you please keep them within SED, not that CAE is perfect >>>>> but we don't have any regular trolls. >>>> >>>> To put it another way, "here's your sign." >>>> >>>> A disagreement is not a troll, stupid. >>> >>> Yeah, feel free to disagree you are a troll. Or that 1+1=2, >>> whatever. >> >> Yet you're stupid enough to continue doing something that you think is >> stupid. Amazing. ...or you're just another liar. >> > >So where did I lie, Einstein.
You don't read very well. Either you're stupid or you're a liar. Pick one.