On 1/5/2013 8:11 AM, Mark Borgerson wrote:> In article<kc92rb$3h3$2@dont-email.me>, ham789@netzero.net says... >> >> On 1/4/2013 3:43 AM, manu28101992@googlemail.com wrote: >>> In my opinion, it's clearly EAGLES PCB Design software. >>> You can try out the free trial first. >>> The support and tutorials are awesome, too! >>> >>> >>> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ >> >> At the risk of stating the obvious... >> If money is no object, pick up the phone and farm out the PCB >> design...or the schematic...or the project. >> Life is too short to waste on things where money is no object. >> >> Send all that excess money to me. I'll put it to good use. > > While money may not be a constraint, complete control of the > board design process may be on the list. You lose a lot > of that control when you farm out the board layout. > > Mark Borgerson >While I can't argue with your statement, I suggest that anybody asking such a vague question is unlikely to do a better layout job than someone experienced with the types of designs being implemented and the tools to do so. "Money is no object" is a clue that the OP is clueless.
What is the Best PCB Layout software ? (Money no object)
Started by ●January 12, 2004
Reply by ●January 5, 20132013-01-05
Reply by ●January 5, 20132013-01-05
In article <kc9lko$jd3$1@dont-email.me>, ham789@netzero.net says...> > On 1/5/2013 8:11 AM, Mark Borgerson wrote: > > In article<kc92rb$3h3$2@dont-email.me>, ham789@netzero.net says... > >> > >> On 1/4/2013 3:43 AM, manu28101992@googlemail.com wrote: > >>> In my opinion, it's clearly EAGLES PCB Design software. > >>> You can try out the free trial first. > >>> The support and tutorials are awesome, too! > >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ > >> > >> At the risk of stating the obvious... > >> If money is no object, pick up the phone and farm out the PCB > >> design...or the schematic...or the project. > >> Life is too short to waste on things where money is no object. > >> > >> Send all that excess money to me. I'll put it to good use. > > > > While money may not be a constraint, complete control of the > > board design process may be on the list. You lose a lot > > of that control when you farm out the board layout. > > > > Mark Borgerson > > > While I can't argue with your statement, I suggest that anybody > asking such a vague question is unlikely to do a better layout > job than someone experienced with the types of designs being > implemented and the tools to do so.I've worked with companies that were very reluctant to farm out design work for security reasons. Sometimes managers have to decide whether to hire a new layout person or whether the current employee would be more productive with different tools.> > "Money is no object" is a clue that the OP is clueless.However, I'm not sure that the person posting the request is the person who will be doing the layout. Or, it could be a person with years of experience with a low-end program has finally convinced a manager that a better program would improve productivity. I generally don't like to make assumptions about the skill levels of people who request information here. If they say that they are beginners, that's one thing. To assume it without explicit evidence can be risky. For all I know it could be a designer with 5 years of Altium experience who is pissed off at some foible of that system. Money may be no object because they've already spent a bunch and have more to spend if they are convinced it would be worthwhile. I do think that "money is no object" may be a less than perfect description of the situation. I would have said "software cost is not a factor". Mark Borgerson
Reply by ●January 6, 20132013-01-06
On 2013-01-05, Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:40:00 -0500, Spehro Pefhany ><speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote: > >>On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 22:14:44 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards >><invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>>On 2013-01-04, Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder if you could turn a 19" monitor on its side and get the OS >>>> to swap the axes. >>> >>>Sure. All my Samsung LCD monitors will rotate into a "vertical" >>>position. >> >>Unfortunately, they don't often offer that option with monitors larger >>than about 24". > > > Most (all?) monitors have provisions for mounting screws - usually > four threaded holes in a rectangle on the back. Just like most (all?) > TVs. > > You'd think that in c.a.e needing a sideways monitor stand would be > more an invitation to haul out some tools than an actual problem...^^^^^^^^ I think you misspelled "shop for". -- Grant
Reply by ●January 6, 20132013-01-06
On 2013-01-05, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:> On 1/4/2013 3:43 AM, manu28101992@googlemail.com wrote: >> In my opinion, it's clearly EAGLES PCB Design software. >> You can try out the free trial first. >> The support and tutorials are awesome, too! >> >> >> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ > > At the risk of stating the obvious... > If money is no object, pick up the phone and farm out the PCB > design...or the schematic...or the project. > > Life is too short to waste on things where money is no object.There are those of us for which designing and laying out a PCB is a hobby. It's something we do for fun. Paying somebody else to do it would be like paying somebody else to go skiing for me.> Send all that excess money to me. I'll put it to good use.Sorry don't understand "excess money"... ;) -- Grant
Reply by ●January 6, 20132013-01-06
In article <kcc4hg$aii$3@reader1.panix.com>, invalid@invalid.invalid says...> > On 2013-01-05, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote: > > On 1/4/2013 3:43 AM, manu28101992@googlemail.com wrote: > >> In my opinion, it's clearly EAGLES PCB Design software. > >> You can try out the free trial first. > >> The support and tutorials are awesome, too! > >> > >> > >> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ > > > > At the risk of stating the obvious... > > If money is no object, pick up the phone and farm out the PCB > > design...or the schematic...or the project. > > > > Life is too short to waste on things where money is no object. > > There are those of us for which designing and laying out a PCB is a > hobby. It's something we do for fun. Paying somebody else to do it > would be like paying somebody else to go skiing for me. >Nice observation. And, as far as hobbies go, you can visit any marina and observe the "money is no object" aspect--often at a scale that overwhelms the cost of a good PCB layout program.> > Send all that excess money to me. I'll put it to good use. > > Sorry don't understand "excess money"... ;)Mark Borgerson
Reply by ●January 6, 20132013-01-06
In article <kcc4hg$aii$3@reader1.panix.com>, invalid@invalid.invalid says...> > On 2013-01-05, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote: > > On 1/4/2013 3:43 AM, manu28101992@googlemail.com wrote: > >> In my opinion, it's clearly EAGLES PCB Design software. > >> You can try out the free trial first. > >> The support and tutorials are awesome, too! > >> > >> > >> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ > > > > At the risk of stating the obvious... > > If money is no object, pick up the phone and farm out the PCB > > design...or the schematic...or the project. > > > > Life is too short to waste on things where money is no object. > > There are those of us for which designing and laying out a PCB is a > hobby. It's something we do for fun. Paying somebody else to do it > would be like paying somebody else to go skiing for me. > > > Send all that excess money to me. I'll put it to good use. > > Sorry don't understand "excess money"... ;)Dont understand "money" well some of my custoers dont :) -- Paul Carpenter | paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk <http://www.pcserviceselectronics.co.uk/> PC Services <http://www.pcserviceselectronics.co.uk/fonts/> Timing Diagram Font <http://www.gnuh8.org.uk/> GNU H8 - compiler & Renesas H8/H8S/H8 Tiny <http://www.badweb.org.uk/> For those web sites you hate
Reply by ●January 6, 20132013-01-06
On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:55:41 -0600, the renowned Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> wrote:>On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:40:00 -0500, Spehro Pefhany ><speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote: > >>On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 22:14:44 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards >><invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>>On 2013-01-04, Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder if you could turn a 19" monitor on its side and get the OS >>>> to swap the axes. >>> >>>Sure. All my Samsung LCD monitors will rotate into a "vertical" >>>position. >> >>Unfortunately, they don't often offer that option with monitors larger >>than about 24". > > >Most (all?) monitors have provisions for mounting screws - usually >four threaded holes in a rectangle on the back. Just like most (all?) >TVs.Yup. VESA http://www.ergoindemand.com/about_VESA_standard.htm>You'd think that in c.a.e needing a sideways monitor stand would be >more an invitation to haul out some tools than an actual problem... >;-)Nothing a few hundred extra dollars won't solve.. eg. Ergotron. Of course it's possible to hack something together, especially if you have a bunch of 80/20 lying around. http://www.8020.net/ I wonder what happens when you put a screw that's too long into the mounting holes. Probably nothing good. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
Reply by ●January 6, 20132013-01-06
Grant Edwards wrote:> Unfortunately that appears to be available just for a hobby OS./me scratches head First time I've seen Windows referred to as a hobby OS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altium_Designer Are you looking for Linux support? some other Unix variant? Regards.
Reply by ●January 11, 20132013-01-11
On 1/6/2013 10:17 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:> On 2013-01-05, mike<ham789@netzero.net> wrote: >> On 1/4/2013 3:43 AM, manu28101992@googlemail.com wrote: >>> In my opinion, it's clearly EAGLES PCB Design software. >>> You can try out the free trial first. >>> The support and tutorials are awesome, too! >>> >>> >>> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ >> >> At the risk of stating the obvious... >> If money is no object, pick up the phone and farm out the PCB >> design...or the schematic...or the project. >> >> Life is too short to waste on things where money is no object. > > There are those of us for which designing and laying out a PCB is a > hobby. It's something we do for fun. Paying somebody else to do it > would be like paying somebody else to go skiing for me.I can't say I don't enjoy my work, but it is still work. If I could make money paying other people to work, I would do that in a heartbeat... that actually sounds like a good idea. I'll call that "running a company"! Brilliant! I just need to patent the idea.>> Send all that excess money to me. I'll put it to good use. > > Sorry don't understand "excess money"... ;)I understand the concept, but I believe it is an oxymoron, no? Rick
Reply by ●January 13, 20132013-01-13
On 1/11/2013 7:40 AM, rickman wrote:> On 1/6/2013 10:17 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2013-01-05, mike<ham789@netzero.net> wrote: >>> On 1/4/2013 3:43 AM, manu28101992@googlemail.com wrote: >>>> In my opinion, it's clearly EAGLES PCB Design software. >>>> You can try out the free trial first. >>>> The support and tutorials are awesome, too! >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ >>> >>> At the risk of stating the obvious... >>> If money is no object, pick up the phone and farm out the PCB >>> design...or the schematic...or the project. >>> >>> Life is too short to waste on things where money is no object. >> >> There are those of us for which designing and laying out a PCB is a >> hobby. It's something we do for fun. Paying somebody else to do it >> would be like paying somebody else to go skiing for me. > > I can't say I don't enjoy my work, but it is still work. If I could make > money paying other people to work, I would do that in a heartbeat... > that actually sounds like a good idea. I'll call that "running a > company"! Brilliant! I just need to patent the idea. > > >>> Send all that excess money to me. I'll put it to good use. >> >> Sorry don't understand "excess money"... ;) > > I understand the concept, but I believe it is an oxymoron, no? > > RickMost people with a cellphone or an iAnything are behaving like they have excess money. Many people who were taught to plan ahead have excess money. Don't know anything about oxy, but the rest is relevant. ;-)
