Alex Gibson wrote:> "rziak" <news@ziak.com> wrote in message > news:1130131479.030530.44620@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Ulf Samuelsson wrote: > >> >> I wonder if anyone makes something like Parallax did with PIC, but > >> >> populated with ARM ? > >> > >> Using the AT91SAM7X chip you get both Ethernet and CAN onchip. > >> You can maybe find an alternative use for the FPGA... > > > > Here is the thought: > > > > DIP40 board would have SMT header from the bottom, something like > > > > http://catalog.tycoelectronics.com/TE/common/images/PartImages/1055014a.gif > > > > this would leave all the real estate on the top available for AT91SAM7X > > and FPGA (whatever can be fitted onto 16-18mm width). > > > > Pin 20 would be ground and pin 40 would be power. All other pins would > > contain CPU and FPGA I/Os. Ethernet PHY (DP83847 or DM9161) would be on > > the bottom side with 8 signals going out via auxiliary header, i.e. not > > reserving any DIP pins. Ethernet connector and magnetics would have to > > be external. > > > > Is it possible to boot FPGA from CPU instead of serial FLASH ? > > Yes its possible, xilinx has an app note for using an 8051.It's possible, but not very effective use of routing area with DIP 40. A 100 mils square PGA (pin grid array) would be better. It's just as easy to prototype as a DIP.> > http://www.hydraxc.com/ have 40dip modules with fpga > could use a microblaze or your own custom core > in a spartan3 or use a ppc in a virtex4FXStarting with 1 million gates XC3S1000.> http://www.eubus.net/hydraXC/media/data_sheet_hydraXC_07_2005.pdf > > Look at thier faq. > Pity about the aweful website - try using the shop. > > Alex
IDEA: ARM stamp SBC ?
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Reply by ●October 26, 20052005-10-26
Hi, thought I would post another real answer to the original question, not some phantasy posting about 1Mio gates FPGA. Have a look here: http://www.embeddedartists.com/products/boards/ An Schwob
Reply by ●October 26, 20052005-10-26
"linnix" <me@linnix.info-for.us> wrote in message news:1130197671.834328.208700@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> > Alex Gibson wrote: >> "rziak" <news@ziak.com> wrote in message >> news:1130131479.030530.44620@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> > Ulf Samuelsson wrote: >> >> >> I wonder if anyone makes something like Parallax did with PIC, but >> >> >> populated with ARM ? >> >> >> >> Using the AT91SAM7X chip you get both Ethernet and CAN onchip. >> >> You can maybe find an alternative use for the FPGA... >> > >> > Here is the thought: >> > >> > DIP40 board would have SMT header from the bottom, something like >> > >> > http://catalog.tycoelectronics.com/TE/common/images/PartImages/1055014a.gif >> > >> > this would leave all the real estate on the top available for AT91SAM7X >> > and FPGA (whatever can be fitted onto 16-18mm width). >> > >> > Pin 20 would be ground and pin 40 would be power. All other pins would >> > contain CPU and FPGA I/Os. Ethernet PHY (DP83847 or DM9161) would be on >> > the bottom side with 8 signals going out via auxiliary header, i.e. not >> > reserving any DIP pins. Ethernet connector and magnetics would have to >> > be external. >> > >> > Is it possible to boot FPGA from CPU instead of serial FLASH ? >> >> Yes its possible, xilinx has an app note for using an 8051. > > It's possible, but not very effective use of routing area with DIP 40. > A 100 mils square PGA (pin grid array) would be better. It's just as > easy to prototype as a DIP. > >> >> http://www.hydraxc.com/ have 40dip modules with fpga >> could use a microblaze or your own custom core >> in a spartan3 or use a ppc in a virtex4FX > > Starting with 1 million gates XC3S1000. > >> http://www.eubus.net/hydraXC/media/data_sheet_hydraXC_07_2005.pdf >> >> Look at thier faq. >> Pity about the aweful website - try using the shop. >> >> Alex >There is also the Avnet (Memec) mini modules Spartan3 <http://www.em.avnet.com/evk/home/0,1719,RID%253D0%2526CID%253D25724%2526CCD%253DUSA%2526SID%253D4742%2526DID%253DDF2%2526SRT%253D1%2526LID%253D18806%2526PVW%253D%2526BID%253DDF2%2526CTP%253DEVK,00.html> http://www.em.avnet.com/ctf_shared/evk/df2df2usa/Spartan-3_Mini-Module1.pdf a.. Spartan-3 3S400 FPGA a.. 10/100 Ethernet Mac and PHY a.. 256K x 32 SRAM a.. 1M x 16 Flash Memory a.. Configuration Memory a.. User LED a.. 76 User I/O a.. AC/DC Power Supply Adapter a.. Serial Cable a.. Complete Reference Designs with Source Code (VHDL and/or Verilog HDL) Vertex4 FX12 (powerpc hardcore) <http://www.em.avnet.com/evk/home/0,1719,RID%253D0%2526CID%253D25726%2526CCD%253DUSA%2526SID%253D4742%2526DID%253DDF2%2526SRT%253D1%2526LID%253D18806%2526PVW%253D%2526BID%253DDF2%2526CTP%253DEVK,00.html> http://www.em.avnet.com/ctf_shared/evk/df2df2usa/V4_FX_Mini_Module.pdf a.. Virtex-4 FX12 FPGA a.. 10/100/1000 Ethernet Port a.. 32M x 16 DDR Memory a.. 2M x 16 Flash Memory a.. 8Mb Platform Flash a.. User LED a.. 76 User I/O a.. AC/DC Power Supply Adapter a.. Serial Cable a.. Complete Reference Designs with Source Code (VHDL and/or Verilog HDL) Alex
Reply by ●October 26, 20052005-10-26
An Schwob in the USA wrote:> Hi, > > thought I would post another real answer to the original question, not > some phantasy posting about 1Mio gates FPGA.What do you mean by phantasy? There are actual soft ARM cores in 200K, PPC cores in 300K FPGAs. What do you think the micro manufacturers use for prototypes? 1M gates FPGA is mid-range. 5M gates can be yours, if you send us a cashier check.
Reply by ●October 26, 20052005-10-26
An Schwob in the USA wrote:> Hi, > > thought I would post another real answer to the original question, not > some phantasy posting about 1Mio gates FPGA. > Have a look here: > http://www.embeddedartists.com/products/boards/These are also nice. Thank you! I agree, there seems to be tendency to overkill. The whole ARM core is 30k transistors; 1mil gates FPGA for $hundreed(s) just to immitate ARM core for 5 bucks ... nonsense Anyone selling an ASIC, something like AT91SAMX but bundled with PHY ?
Reply by ●October 26, 20052005-10-26
rziak wrote:> An Schwob in the USA wrote: > > Hi, > > > > thought I would post another real answer to the original question, not > > some phantasy posting about 1Mio gates FPGA. > > Have a look here: > > http://www.embeddedartists.com/products/boards/ > > These are also nice. Thank you! > > I agree, there seems to be tendency to overkill. The whole ARM core is > 30k transistors; 1mil gates FPGA for $hundreed(s) just to immitate ARMImpossible to do it in 30k. Unreasonable to buy FPGA with less than 200k. You are the one asking for FPGA. Have you find any ARM with FPGA for less than $100? You are not only asking for ARM, but ethernet, Sdram, CF and custom FPGA gates. Have you guys really look into the FPGA market?> core for 5 bucks ... nonsense > > Anyone selling an ASIC, something like AT91SAMX but bundled with PHY ?
