Atmel has a press release out for an ARM9 product line that includes on chip Flash. I have looked at their web site and I don't see anything about this other than the press release. At the bottom of the release they refer to the SAM9260 on their web site, but this part has no on chip Flash. Is this the 0 kB version of a family with Flash? Or are they no where near silicon on the part they are touting and they are doing a bait and switch? This press release is already two months old. I would expect to have heard something more concrete by now.
Atmel press release for ARM9 with flash
Started by ●August 14, 2006
Reply by ●August 14, 20062006-08-14
rickman wrote:> Atmel has a press release out for an ARM9 product line that includes on > chip Flash. I have looked at their web site and I don't see anything > about this other than the press release. At the bottom of the release > they refer to the SAM9260 on their web site, but this part has no on > chip Flash. Is this the 0 kB version of a family with Flash? Or are > they no where near silicon on the part they are touting and they are > doing a bait and switch? > > This press release is already two months old. I would expect to have > heard something more concrete by now.I don't know what Atmel does. But If you have 66MHz working flash why not it could be 200MHz by multiplexing 3 identical flash memory? It will increase the cost maybe it does not worth....
Reply by ●August 14, 20062006-08-14
rickman wrote:> Atmel has a press release out for an ARM9 product line that includes on > chip Flash. I have looked at their web site and I don't see anything > about this other than the press release. At the bottom of the release > they refer to the SAM9260 on their web site, but this part has no on > chip Flash. Is this the 0 kB version of a family with Flash? Or are > they no where near silicon on the part they are touting and they are > doing a bait and switch? > > This press release is already two months old. I would expect to have > heard something more concrete by now.Hick Rick, if Atmel really has a flash based ARM 9 from the SAM9xxx series I missed it (and I am really watching these topics). They announced a SAM9260 which is manufactured in a more advance technology and to my surprise a SAM9261 with a better peripheral set in an older technology. The 9261 has Ethernet, the SAM9260 does not. On the other hand, the SRAM on the SAM9261 is pretty much negligable, resulting in a fast core with slow memory access and a smallest possible cache does not really improve this situation. Nevertheless the 9261 would be my preference out of these two. Unfortunately neither one has flash and if you find a press release that talks about a SAM9 with flash, please post the link to it. An Schwob
Reply by ●August 14, 20062006-08-14
An Schwob in the USA wrote:> Unfortunately neither one has flash and if you find a press release > that talks about a SAM9 with flash, please post the link to it.http://atmel.com/dyn/corporate/view_detail.asp?FileName=ARM9FamilyMCU_6_5.html They don't name names or more importantly part numbers. I don't know if this is a fishing expedition or if it is still just too early. I seem to recall a vendor telling us that this was in th pipe, but I don't recall how long the pipe is.
Reply by ●August 14, 20062006-08-14
rickman wrote:> An Schwob in the USA wrote: > >>Unfortunately neither one has flash and if you find a press release >>that talks about a SAM9 with flash, please post the link to it. > > > http://atmel.com/dyn/corporate/view_detail.asp?FileName=ARM9FamilyMCU_6_5.html > > They don't name names or more importantly part numbers. I don't know > if this is a fishing expedition or if it is still just too early. I > seem to recall a vendor telling us that this was in th pipe, but I > don't recall how long the pipe is.Notice the FLASH mention is restricted to a single html page, and that the timing of this press release relates closely to the ST release of their Flash ST9's : Looks to me like someone in Atmel marketing thought that putting the words Flash and ARM9 in one press release, was all they needed to do to claim "industry's first family".... The Atmel web product guide also says nothing, and that has release schedules for some devices into 2007.... .. so, don't hold your breath :) Also, what about FLASH AVR32's .... ? I'm waiting for some concrete data on the Zilog ZNEO - that's almost the opposite rollout : Programmer vendors have support, it shows up on Mouser and now Digikey, as part numbers with stock on order, but still no data sheets released.... Does seem to have Automotive temp spec variants. -jg
Reply by ●August 15, 20062006-08-15
"An Schwob in the USA" <schwobus@aol.com> skrev i meddelandet news:1155597322.836882.179130@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> > if Atmel really has a flash based ARM 9 from the SAM9xxx series I > missed it (and I am really watching these topics). They announced a > SAM9260 which is manufactured in a more advance technology and to my > surprise a SAM9261 with a better peripheral set in an older technology. > The 9261 has Ethernet, the SAM9260 does not. On the other hand, the > SRAM on the SAM9261 is pretty much negligable, resulting in a fast core > with slow memory access and a smallest possible cache does not really > improve this situation. Nevertheless the 9261 would be my preference > out of these two.I think you mix the chips together CHIP AT91RM9200 AT91SAM9260 AT91SAM9261 AT91SAM9263 CPU ARM920T ARM926EJ-S ARM926EJ-S ARM926EJ-S Tech 0,18u 0,18u 0,13u 0,13u Cache 16k+16k 8k+8k 16k+16k 16k+16k SRAM 16 kB 4+4kB 160 kB 96 kB Flash - - - - Ethernet Yes Yes No Yes LCD No No Yes Yes BUS ASB AHB AHB AHB Bus Freq 60 MHz 100 MHz 100 MHz 100 MHz Pack: BGA256/ BGA217/ BGA217 BGA324 TQFP208 TQFP208 Some customers already have SAM9260 rev B chips. The performance of the SAM AT91SAM9263 has some other goodies like CAN controller, dual bus , 2D accelerator etc... Should be available later this year.> Unfortunately neither one has flashThey are all optimized for Linux/WinCE applications. You may want to note that the bandwidth of a 60 MHz ARM7 tops out at 240 MB/s and is shared with the data access. The bandwidth of the tightly coupled SRAMs of the AT91SAM9261 is 800 MB/s and since you have two ports, you have 1600 MB/s. Should be able to run 3-5 times faster with the SAM9261 than with any ARM7 if you accept booting from a sub $1 serial flash. With 160 kB of SRAM this is equivalent to 128 kB Flash + 32 kB SRAM. The MMU allows this to be expanded by paging non critical routines. Not so sure "unfortunately" is the right word ;-) -- Best Regards, Ulf Samuelsson This is intended to be my personal opinion which may, or may not be shared by my employer Atmel Nordic AB
Reply by ●August 15, 20062006-08-15
Ulf Samuelsson wrote:> I think you mix the chips together >You wouldn't happen to know anything about the SAM7L series, is there something special about the "Ultra Low Power" title, or is it just a normal SAM7 with an LCD controller?
Reply by ●August 15, 20062006-08-15
"steve" <bungalow_steve@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet news:1155660331.891787.16590@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...> > Ulf Samuelsson wrote: > >> I think you mix the chips together >> > > You wouldn't happen to know anything about the SAM7L series, is there > something special about the "Ultra Low Power" title, or is it just a > normal SAM7 with an LCD controller? >Among other things, it will run from a low voltage supply. The current devices have a minimum voltage of 3.0V. There are a lot of other things which cannot be revealed at this point. -- Best Regards, Ulf Samuelsson This is intended to be my personal opinion which may, or may not be shared by my employer Atmel Nordic AB
Reply by ●August 16, 20062006-08-16
Ulf Samuelsson wrote:> "steve" <bungalow_steve@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet > news:1155660331.891787.16590@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > > > Ulf Samuelsson wrote: > > > >> I think you mix the chips together > >> > > > > You wouldn't happen to know anything about the SAM7L series, is there > > something special about the "Ultra Low Power" title, or is it just a > > normal SAM7 with an LCD controller? > > > > Among other things, it will run from a low voltage supply. > The current devices have a minimum voltage of 3.0V. > There are a lot of other things which cannot be revealed at this point. > > --Ah, a 32 bit AVR, looking forward to it, thanks
Reply by ●August 16, 20062006-08-16
"steve" <bungalow_steve@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet news:1155735964.430798.26590@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...> > Ulf Samuelsson wrote: >> "steve" <bungalow_steve@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet >> news:1155660331.891787.16590@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Ulf Samuelsson wrote: >> > >> >> I think you mix the chips together >> >> >> > >> > You wouldn't happen to know anything about the SAM7L series, is there >> > something special about the "Ultra Low Power" title, or is it just a >> > normal SAM7 with an LCD controller? >> > >> >> Among other things, it will run from a low voltage supply. >> The current devices have a minimum voltage of 3.0V. >> There are a lot of other things which cannot be revealed at this point. >> >> -- > Ah, a 32 bit AVR, looking forward to it, thanks >Now when we have the AVR32, this comment may be confusing :-) It will still be an ARM7. -- Best Regards, Ulf Samuelsson This is intended to be my personal opinion which may, or may not be shared by my employer Atmel Nordic AB
