In article <4608ca82$0$31549$8404b019@news.wineasy.se>, David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes>Chris Hills wrote: >> In article <4607c1f3$0$31515$8404b019@news.wineasy.se>, David Brown >><david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes >>> Chris Hills wrote: >>>> In article <T5EJh.4724$JZ3.444@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>, Joerg >>>><notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> writes >>>>> Hello Mats, >>>>> >>>>> By the way I find it is great that an engineer from a manufacturer >>>>>participates in a newsgroup like this. Way to go! >>>> Far more do than you realise. There are AFAIK people from most of >>>>the major semis and tools companies on here. Most use non-company >>>>email addresses for all the usual reasons.. >>>> >>> >>> I greatly prefer it when they identify themselves properly, at least >>>when writing about their company's products. >> Since many are on here as a personal thing they can not do that. >>They are not representing their company. >> >>> Anything else is downright deceitful. I have no time or respect for >>>someone who tells you how wonderful a product is without letting you >>>know that they are involved in its sale or manufacture. >> I don't think any do. None that I have seen anyway. Most just give >>the odd nudge to tech support questions. The only people I have seen >>blatantly pushing a product and work for that company have used a >>company email address. >> > >That's fair enough - if you are not pushing their company's agenda, >then there is no need to say what company you are working for. And it >is also absolutely fine to give a brief hint towards technical support >or the like.>What I want to make sure we avoid, is salesmen claiming to be "just a >satisfied customer".That is difficult. It is also indistinguishable from the real "satisfied customers" who when asked to recommend an MCU always recommend their favourite MCU no matter what the question,.>I don't think there have been many cases of "moles" pushing their >company's products without revealing their connection (other than the >occasional "I've just found this great website" spam).I agree> But it has happened once or twice (there were some large threads a >number of years ago after such as mole was "outed".That is the point they were "outed" which does harm to the company they are supporting so it is counter productive..>>> And there is no need to state your company for every post - >> I use a real company email address. > >You are an example of someone who often gives good technical >information, and makes it clear where you are coming from. This is >good advertising for you, but also makes it clear that when discussing >some issues, you are going to have a specific bias.Actually I hope I have very little bias other than personal preferences from actually having used many of the tools we sell on a wide range of MCU. However I will not push a brand for the sake of the brand.> That's fine, it's honest and open - no one would expect you to extol >the virtues of products that compete directly with the ones you sell.I do when appropriate. If I didn't my customers would not trust me and I starve. (Though that said a good diet is in order for me at the moment:-) I have even given customers the phone number of my competitors when it is required.>People like you, or Ulf from Atmel, are good to have around.Thanks.>I guess what I'm saying is that honest technical company presence is >good, but astroturfing is bad. It has not been a problem here, and I >hope it stays that way.I think it will because as you say obvious plugging of a product is just that. Obvious. I do know the real identities of some posters on here and they generally point to places to get information or nudge tech support questions along. Some of them normally have an email address of support@***********.com others are fairly highly placed and get enough email and aren't in tech support as a a job. It is not uncommon that people bite the hand that feeds. BTW Ulf is not a real person but an Atmel Turing machine running on a bank of AVR32's :-) Regards Chris -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
MSP-FET430UIF, IAR Kickstart: "Failed to initialize device"
Started by ●March 12, 2007
Reply by ●March 27, 20072007-03-27
Reply by ●March 27, 20072007-03-27
Chris Hills wrote:> In article <4608ca82$0$31549$8404b019@news.wineasy.se>, David Brown > <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes >> Chris Hills wrote: >>> In article <4607c1f3$0$31515$8404b019@news.wineasy.se>, David Brown >>> <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes >>>> Chris Hills wrote: >>>>> In article <T5EJh.4724$JZ3.444@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>, Joerg >>>>> <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> writes >>>>>> Hello Mats, >>>>>> >>>>>> By the way I find it is great that an engineer from a manufacturer >>>>>> participates in a newsgroup like this. Way to go! >>>>> Far more do than you realise. There are AFAIK people from most of >>>>> the major semis and tools companies on here. Most use >>>>> non-company email addresses for all the usual reasons.. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I greatly prefer it when they identify themselves properly, at least >>>> when writing about their company's products. >>> Since many are on here as a personal thing they can not do that. >>> They are not representing their company. >>> >>>> Anything else is downright deceitful. I have no time or respect for >>>> someone who tells you how wonderful a product is without letting you >>>> know that they are involved in its sale or manufacture. >>> I don't think any do. None that I have seen anyway. Most just give >>> the odd nudge to tech support questions. The only people I have seen >>> blatantly pushing a product and work for that company have used a >>> company email address. >>> >> >> That's fair enough - if you are not pushing their company's agenda, >> then there is no need to say what company you are working for. And it >> is also absolutely fine to give a brief hint towards technical support >> or the like. > >> What I want to make sure we avoid, is salesmen claiming to be "just a >> satisfied customer". > > That is difficult. It is also indistinguishable from the real "satisfied > customers" who when asked to recommend an MCU always recommend their > favourite MCU no matter what the question,. >I suppose if the moles are subtle enough for us not to notice them, they are not a problem...>> I don't think there have been many cases of "moles" pushing their >> company's products without revealing their connection (other than the >> occasional "I've just found this great website" spam). > > I agree > >> But it has happened once or twice (there were some large threads a >> number of years ago after such as mole was "outed". > > That is the point they were "outed" which does harm to the company they > are supporting so it is counter productive.. > >>>> And there is no need to state your company for every post - >>> I use a real company email address. >> >> You are an example of someone who often gives good technical >> information, and makes it clear where you are coming from. This is >> good advertising for you, but also makes it clear that when discussing >> some issues, you are going to have a specific bias. > > Actually I hope I have very little bias other than personal preferences > from actually having used many of the tools we sell on a wide range of > MCU. However I will not push a brand for the sake of the brand. >The only thing I have noticed from you is against gcc and open source tools, although perhaps "bias" is too strong (anyone who disagrees with me is clearly biased :-)>> That's fine, it's honest and open - no one would expect you to extol >> the virtues of products that compete directly with the ones you sell. > > I do when appropriate. If I didn't my customers would not trust me and > I starve. (Though that said a good diet is in order for me at the > moment:-) I have even given customers the phone number of my > competitors when it is required. > >> People like you, or Ulf from Atmel, are good to have around. > > Thanks. > >> I guess what I'm saying is that honest technical company presence is >> good, but astroturfing is bad. It has not been a problem here, and I >> hope it stays that way. > > I think it will because as you say obvious plugging of a product is just > that. Obvious. I do know the real identities of some posters on here > and they generally point to places to get information or nudge tech > support questions along. > > Some of them normally have an email address of support@***********.com > others are fairly highly placed and get enough email and aren't in tech > support as a a job. It is not uncommon that people bite the hand that > feeds. > > BTW Ulf is not a real person but an Atmel Turing machine running on a > bank of AVR32's :-) > > > Regards > Chris >
Reply by ●March 27, 20072007-03-27
In article <46096501$0$24610$8404b019@news.wineasy.se>, David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes>Chris Hills wrote: >>>>> And there is no need to state your company for every post - >>>> I use a real company email address. >>> >>> You are an example of someone who often gives good technical >>>information, and makes it clear where you are coming from. This is >>>good advertising for you, but also makes it clear that when >>>discussing some issues, you are going to have a specific bias. >> Actually I hope I have very little bias other than personal >>preferences from actually having used many of the tools we sell on a >>wide range of MCU. However I will not push a brand for the sake of the >>brand. >> > >The only thing I have noticed from you is against gcc and open source >tools, although perhaps "bias" is too strong (anyone who disagrees with >me is clearly biased :-)Fair enough. Then again others are religiously biased in favour most of which are open source users or suppliers who are equally biased :-) Lets drop that one here before we go OT on an open source V commercial tools debate (again :-) -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Reply by ●March 29, 20072007-03-29
I am having the same failure to start problem. The devices worked fine last summer on this computer but now Windows reports "Cannot start this hardware" Code 10 and I get the yellow exclamation mark by the driver. Windows XP is up-to-date with all the downloaded "fixes". I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling the drivers. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling the entire IAR package (from the CD as before). It is frustrating that it all worked a few months ago. No joy. .. BUT ... I installed the whole thing (from the CD) on a W2K machine here and it works fine. So there isn't a problem with the FETs. I didn't know until I read this thread that it wouldn't work with W2K machines. Ironic that I have it working on W2K, but not on XP. So any more suggestions on fixing the XP problem. I have removed all other USB devices (other than internal ones) and it doesn't help. I even uninstalled and re-installed the USB hub controller drivers as that was suggested in an XP support group for hard drives that suffer the "cannot start" symptom. TIA, Peter
Reply by ●March 29, 20072007-03-29
Clifford Heath wrote:> CBFalconer wrote: > >> Actually, in Usenet, there is no real need to hide from spammers, >> since the reply-to field is not normally easily accessible to them >> without the complete article, yet it makes email replies trivial. > > > That would be true, if spammers didn't talk NNTP as well as us.They don't even have to. Most of the technical newsgroups are copied into all kinds of web based forums, usually multiple times. Chuck: Open your own post and then click on View -> Message Source, in Mozilla. That's what a spambot reads. I just did and that's where I saw that you are using Mozilla :-) The reply-to pops up right at the top so the spambot doesn't even have to crawl the message. They can stop after the 5th line. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
Reply by ●March 29, 20072007-03-29
Chris Hills wrote:> In article <T5EJh.4724$JZ3.444@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>, Joerg > <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> writes > >> Hello Mats, >> >> By the way I find it is great that an engineer from a manufacturer >> participates in a newsgroup like this. Way to go! > > > Far more do than you realise. There are AFAIK people from most of the > major semis and tools companies on here. Most use non-company email > addresses for all the usual reasons.. >I just wish their feedback to the bosses would materialize a bit better. For example, when National botched their web site there were tons of complaints on s.e.d. From some real high-rollers that are responsible for a lot of semiconductor purchases. Did they fix it? Nope :-( -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
Reply by ●March 29, 20072007-03-29
PeterJ wrote:> I am having the same failure to start problem. > > The devices worked fine last summer on this computer but now Windows > reports "Cannot start this hardware" Code 10 and I get the yellow > exclamation mark by the driver. > > Windows XP is up-to-date with all the downloaded "fixes". > > I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling the drivers. > I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling the entire IAR package (from > the CD as before). > > It is frustrating that it all worked a few months ago. > > No joy. > > .. BUT ... > > I installed the whole thing (from the CD) on a W2K machine here and it > works fine. So there isn't a problem with the FETs. > > I didn't know until I read this thread that it wouldn't work with W2K > machines. Ironic that I have it working on W2K, but not on XP. > > So any more suggestions on fixing the XP problem. I have removed all other > USB devices (other than internal ones) and it doesn't help. > > I even uninstalled and re-installed the USB hub controller drivers as that > was suggested in an XP support group for hard drives that suffer the > "cannot start" symptom. >Look around on your CD. It's been too long ago but AFAIR there were two releases on there and only the older one worked on the XP machine in the lab. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
Reply by ●March 29, 20072007-03-29
PeterJ wrote:> > I am having the same failure to start problem. > > The devices worked fine last summer on this computer but now Windows > reports "Cannot start this hardware" Code 10 and I get the yellow > exclamation mark by the driver. > > Windows XP is up-to-date with all the downloaded "fixes". > > I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling the drivers. > I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling the entire IAR package (from > the CD as before). > > It is frustrating that it all worked a few months ago. > > No joy. > > .. BUT ... > > I installed the whole thing (from the CD) on a W2K machine here and it > works fine. So there isn't a problem with the FETs. > > I didn't know until I read this thread that it wouldn't work with W2K > machines. Ironic that I have it working on W2K, but not on XP. > > So any more suggestions on fixing the XP problem. I have removed all other > USB devices (other than internal ones) and it doesn't help. > > I even uninstalled and re-installed the USB hub controller drivers as that > was suggested in an XP support group for hard drives that suffer the > "cannot start" symptom.Very simple. Remove XP. Install Linux. -- Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net> -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Reply by ●March 29, 20072007-03-29
Gunther Mannigel wrote:> Marius.Hancu@gmail.com schrieb: > >> On Mar 14, 11:46 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net> >> wrote: >> >>>> However, with the 3.42 version, we had the "Failed to load debugee" >>>> errors described in the above, i.e. couldn't really debug. >> >> >> Fixed after sending all our FETs (both USB and LPT) to TI support for > > > LPT? How do they program a 'HC244? >In America that's done with a Smith&Wesson :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
Reply by ●March 29, 20072007-03-29
Joerg wrote:> Clifford Heath wrote: >> CBFalconer wrote: >> >>> Actually, in Usenet, there is no real need to hide from spammers, >>> since the reply-to field is not normally easily accessible to them >>> without the complete article, yet it makes email replies trivial. >> >> That would be true, if spammers didn't talk NNTP as well as us. > > They don't even have to. Most of the technical newsgroups are copied > into all kinds of web based forums, usually multiple times. > > Chuck: Open your own post and then click on View -> Message Source, in > Mozilla. That's what a spambot reads. I just did and that's where I saw > that you are using Mozilla :-) > > The reply-to pops up right at the top so the spambot doesn't even have > to crawl the message. They can stop after the 5th line.However, they don't, as evidenced by my relative freedom from spammers. Of course there has to means to access it, otherwise the mailers couldn't. -- Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net> -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com