New embedded Java-based controller released

Snijder Micro Systems just announced the public release of the second
generation of their Embedded Java� Controller (EJC�) product line,
codenamed EC200. The EJC is a family of embedded controllers that
implement a full-fledged Java platform for network-enabled and
standalone applications.

The EC200 sports a 32-bit 74 MHz ARM720T CPU and along with a slave
PIC16LF872 microcontroller. The module can have up to 64 MB of SDRAM,
16 MB of NOR flash, and 256 MB of (optional) NAND flash. Integrated
interfaces and onboard devices include a 10BASE-T Ethernet controller,
23 digital I/O lines, 3x 10-bit analog channels, dual 16550 class
UARTs, dual fast-mode I2C master, Dallas 1-wire master, graphics
LCD display i/f, an ISA-style expansion bus, etc.

The software integrates Tao Group's intent� technology, featuring an
advanced Real Time Operating System and a Sun-certified Java Virtual
Machine (JVM) that combines unrivalled performance with minimal
footprint, due to the tight integration between kernel and JVM and to
the advanced translation technology which compiles all Java bytecode
to native code before execution. Java APIs are provided for efficient
access to hardware resources such as I/O ports, system memory and
memory-mapped devices, interrupts, and onboard peripherals. This
allows developers to adopt an all-in-one approach where applications,
system components, and even device drivers can be written entirely in
Java, without compromising on flexibility or performance.

More details can be found in the EJC website:
http://www.embedded-web.com/

"Alberto Torrecillas" <noreply@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:q5pqj0do7crnbo6ladldu4di05vr7c7cj6@4ax.com...
> Snijder Micro Systems just announced the public release of the second
> generation of their Embedded JavaT Controller (EJC&#4294967295;) product line,
> codenamed EC200. The EJC is a family of embedded controllers that
> implement a full-fledged Java platform for network-enabled and
> standalone applications.
>
> The EC200 sports a 32-bit 74 MHz ARM720T CPU and along with a slave
> PIC16LF872 microcontroller. The module can have up to 64 MB of SDRAM,
> 16 MB of NOR flash, and 256 MB of (optional) NAND flash. Integrated
> interfaces and onboard devices include a 10BASE-T Ethernet controller,
> 23 digital I/O lines, 3x 10-bit analog channels, dual 16550 class
> UARTs, dual fast-mode I2C master, Dallas 1-wire master, graphics
> LCD display i/f, an ISA-style expansion bus, etc.

At the risk of starting a flame war: what is the advantage of such a
platform running java instead if C? I mean, java applets in a web browser I
can understand. But java on a not-java controller, which has to compile in
time or interpret the p-code.....

Meindert

> At the risk of starting a flame war: what is the advantage of such a
> platform running java instead if C? I mean, java applets in a web browser I

Java programmers are cheap and plentiful and if kept distant from the
hardware don't need special training. Much like the art-school
advertisements: "Anyone who can write can draw!".

Meindert Sprang wrote:
> At the risk of starting a flame war: what is the advantage of such a
> platform running java instead if C?

Depends. Which do you prefer?

You might use Java, because it has (add a feature here, like "GC").
You might prefer C, because it has (add a feature here, like "no GC").

> I mean, java applets in a web browser I
> can understand. But java on a not-java controller, which has to compile in
> time or interpret the p-code.....

The device might be connected to some other system running in Java
and you want to use e.g. RMI.

Or maybe you want to run same binary in several targets and want to
avoid recompiling.

Or maybe you have nice development environment and want to use that.

There are millions of reasons to pick a language and avoid another.

Being interpreted/JITted might be reason to avoid, or it might not.
JIT does not (necessarily) make a language that much slower or
bigger to mean anything to you. Or it might.

And then there are the religious reasons ...

I have no preference, but I am happy to have choices.

-- 
  @jhol

"Meindert Sprang" <mhsprang@NOcustomSPAMware.nl> wrote in message news:<10jqtt7rmho3v10@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Alberto Torrecillas" <noreply@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:q5pqj0do7crnbo6ladldu4di05vr7c7cj6@4ax.com...
> > Snijder Micro Systems just announced the public release of the second
> > generation of their Embedded JavaT Controller (EJC&#4294967295;) product line,
> > codenamed EC200. The EJC is a family of embedded controllers that
> > implement a full-fledged Java platform for network-enabled and
> > standalone applications.
> >
> > The EC200 sports a 32-bit 74 MHz ARM720T CPU and along with a slave
> > PIC16LF872 microcontroller. The module can have up to 64 MB of SDRAM,
> > 16 MB of NOR flash, and 256 MB of (optional) NAND flash. Integrated
> > interfaces and onboard devices include a 10BASE-T Ethernet controller,
> > 23 digital I/O lines, 3x 10-bit analog channels, dual 16550 class
> > UARTs, dual fast-mode I2C master, Dallas 1-wire master, graphics
> > LCD display i/f, an ISA-style expansion bus, etc.
> 
> At the risk of starting a flame war: what is the advantage of such a
> platform running java instead if C? I mean, java applets in a web browser I
> can understand. But java on a not-java controller, which has to compile in
> time or interpret the p-code.....

I guess the benefits are just the same as for desktop and server-side
applications:

- Increased productivity:
    * Lots of good dev tools
    * Lots of high level APIs
    * Higher level language
    * Fully OO
- Leads to more maintainable code, less bugs.
- Portability -- can migrate to a different platform later.
- You automatically get all those nice Java things such as networking,
  security, remote class loading, etc. without having to do all the
  work yourself :) 

If properly implemented, the developer should not need to care whether
the platform is translating bytecode to native code before execution,
as this process can be completely transparent..

fuck Java........

"Alberto Torrecillas" <noreply@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:q5pqj0do7crnbo6ladldu4di05vr7c7cj6@4ax.com...
> Snijder Micro Systems just announced the public release of the second
> generation of their Embedded JavaT Controller (EJC&#4294967295;) product line,
> codenamed EC200. The EJC is a family of embedded controllers that
> implement a full-fledged Java platform for network-enabled and
> standalone applications.
>
> The EC200 sports a 32-bit 74 MHz ARM720T CPU and along with a slave
> PIC16LF872 microcontroller. The module can have up to 64 MB of SDRAM,
> 16 MB of NOR flash, and 256 MB of (optional) NAND flash. Integrated
> interfaces and onboard devices include a 10BASE-T Ethernet controller,
> 23 digital I/O lines, 3x 10-bit analog channels, dual 16550 class
> UARTs, dual fast-mode I2C master, Dallas 1-wire master, graphics
> LCD display i/f, an ISA-style expansion bus, etc.
>
> The software integrates Tao Group's intent&#4294967295; technology, featuring an
> advanced Real Time Operating System and a Sun-certified Java Virtual
> Machine (JVM) that combines unrivalled performance with minimal
> footprint, due to the tight integration between kernel and JVM and to
> the advanced translation technology which compiles all Java bytecode
> to native code before execution. Java APIs are provided for efficient
> access to hardware resources such as I/O ports, system memory and
> memory-mapped devices, interrupts, and onboard peripherals. This
> allows developers to adopt an all-in-one approach where applications,
> system components, and even device drivers can be written entirely in
> Java, without compromising on flexibility or performance.
>
> More details can be found in the EJC website:
> http://www.embedded-web.com/
>

now, yes, i top post................ you've already seen the original poster
about 5 times, need you see it again?

This might start a flame war, but I have some questions about OOP in
general.  Here are the usual compliments, and my argument to them:

1.  It reduces development time.

Bullshit!  It increases development time, as the OOA has to precede the OOD.

2.  It enhances code reuse.

Bullshit!  How many companies have you worked for that has ever reused
anything?  And even if they did, you still have to redesign the heirarchies,
etc.

3.  It makes debug easier?

Duh, are you really a programmer?

4.  It is an accepted fact that OOP is better.

granted

5.  It is better for a team of engineers working on the same project!

granted



"George" <clarkgsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:TLSdnfF-K9fCuKPcRVn-jQ@comcast.com...
> fuck Java........
>
> "Alberto Torrecillas" <noreply@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:q5pqj0do7crnbo6ladldu4di05vr7c7cj6@4ax.com...
> > Snijder Micro Systems just announced the public release of the second
> > generation of their Embedded JavaT Controller (EJC&#4294967295;) product line,
> > codenamed EC200. The EJC is a family of embedded controllers that
> > implement a full-fledged Java platform for network-enabled and
> > standalone applications.
> >
> > The EC200 sports a 32-bit 74 MHz ARM720T CPU and along with a slave
> > PIC16LF872 microcontroller. The module can have up to 64 MB of SDRAM,
> > 16 MB of NOR flash, and 256 MB of (optional) NAND flash. Integrated
> > interfaces and onboard devices include a 10BASE-T Ethernet controller,
> > 23 digital I/O lines, 3x 10-bit analog channels, dual 16550 class
> > UARTs, dual fast-mode I2C master, Dallas 1-wire master, graphics
> > LCD display i/f, an ISA-style expansion bus, etc.
> >
> > The software integrates Tao Group's intent&#4294967295; technology, featuring an
> > advanced Real Time Operating System and a Sun-certified Java Virtual
> > Machine (JVM) that combines unrivalled performance with minimal
> > footprint, due to the tight integration between kernel and JVM and to
> > the advanced translation technology which compiles all Java bytecode
> > to native code before execution. Java APIs are provided for efficient
> > access to hardware resources such as I/O ports, system memory and
> > memory-mapped devices, interrupts, and onboard peripherals. This
> > allows developers to adopt an all-in-one approach where applications,
> > system components, and even device drivers can be written entirely in
> > Java, without compromising on flexibility or performance.
> >
> > More details can be found in the EJC website:
> > http://www.embedded-web.com/
> >
>
>

George wrote:
> 
> now, yes, i top post................ you've already seen the
> original poster about 5 times, need you see it again?
... snip ...

Please do not toppost.  Your answer belongs after, or intermixed
with, the quoted material AFTER snipping those portions not
germane to your reply.

Yes, you are allowed, in fact encouraged, to snip.  That is one of
the important points.  Top posters tend to get ignored, especially
in the comp.* hierarchy.

-- 
"I'm a war president.  I make decisions here in the Oval Office
 in foreign policy matters with war on my mind." -         Bush.
"If I knew then what I know today, I would still have invaded
 Iraq. It was the right decision" -       G.W. Bush, 2004-08-02

so, CBFalconer just taught me how to post newsgroup messages............
thanks bro, i don't think i had a chance without you...............

> Machine (JVM) that combines unrivalled performance with minimal
> footprint, due to the tight integration between kernel and JVM and to
> the advanced translation technology which compiles all Java bytecode
> to native code before execution. Java APIs are provided for efficient

Has someone access to this system? I would be interested how this JIT
solution on a ARM compares to a 'real' Java processor at about the same
frequency.
I'm actually collecting/writing testbenches for embedded Java and can
provide them for a quick comparison.

Martin
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