PCB Assembler Recommendations Northern NY State

I'm looking to see if anyone has any recommendations for a PCB 
assembler/Contract manufacturer in Northern NY State.

Small quantities (10's rather than 1000's)
Mixed SMT and through hole.
Preferably turnkey

Robert

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In article <MPG.222830f5aacf7bf7989871@free.teranews.com>,
 Robert Adsett <sub2@aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote:

> I'm looking to see if anyone has any recommendations for a PCB 
> assembler/Contract manufacturer in Northern NY State.

If you have any flexibility, I'm about 5 minutes east from New York 
state, at the lower part of "Northern" as might be defined by engineers 
looking at maps, as opposed to "City" people who define Northern rather 
differently. 

> Small quantities (10's rather than 1000's)
> Mixed SMT and through hole.

If you want parts (you supply) put on boards (you supply), I've done a 
bit of that in the size range you're discussing, with SMT and thru-hole. 
If you want a board house, I don't do that, and given that I do this 
stuff on a side basis to keep my hand in (so I'm fine doing 10's) rather 
than as my primary employment probably means I would not suggest myself 
if you need much more extensive services, at least at this point in time.

> Preferably turnkey

By which you mean what, in this context? If you want assembled and 
stuffed boards, you're not describing a completed system, which is the 
usual use of that term - turn the key, no assembly required. If you want 
them installed in complete boxes, say so, it's quite possible, if you 
pay the labor. 

But that's quite different from other possible meanings you could have, 
such as "netlist in, assembled product out", or "Gerbers in, assembled 
product out".

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"Robert Adsett" <sub2@aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote in message news:MPG.222830f5aacf7bf7989871@free.teranews.com...
>
> I'm looking to see if anyone has any recommendations for a PCB
> assembler/Contract manufacturer in Northern NY State.
>
> Small quantities (10's rather than 1000's)
> Mixed SMT and through hole.
> Preferably turnkey
>
> Robert
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In article <X1Jvj.222$my3.175@trndny06>, Martin Riddle says...
> EMS Rochester
> 
> "Robert Adsett" <sub2@aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote in message news:MPG.222830f5aacf7bf7989871@free.teranews.com...
> >
> > I'm looking to see if anyone has any recommendations for a PCB
> > assembler/Contract manufacturer in Northern NY State.
> >
> > Small quantities (10's rather than 1000's)
> > Mixed SMT and through hole.
> > Preferably turnkey

Thanks Martin, Do you have more complete contact information?  A search 
on EMS Rochester gets me Emergency Medical Services.

Robert

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In article <LawrenceSMITH-C99265.16131422022008@news.verizon.net>, 
Ecnerwal says...
> In article <MPG.222830f5aacf7bf7989871@free.teranews.com>,
>  Robert Adsett <sub2@aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm looking to see if anyone has any recommendations for a PCB 
> > assembler/Contract manufacturer in Northern NY State.
> 
> If you have any flexibility, I'm about 5 minutes east from New York 
> state, at the lower part of "Northern" as might be defined by engineers 
> looking at maps, as opposed to "City" people who define Northern rather 
> differently. 

I'm peering across the international border so maps are where I start :)

> > Small quantities (10's rather than 1000's)
> > Mixed SMT and through hole.
> 
> If you want parts (you supply) put on boards (you supply), I've done a 
> bit of that in the size range you're discussing, with SMT and thru-hole. 
> If you want a board house, I don't do that, and given that I do this 
> stuff on a side basis to keep my hand in (so I'm fine doing 10's) rather 
> than as my primary employment probably means I would not suggest myself 
> if you need much more extensive services, at least at this point in time.
> 
> > Preferably turnkey
> 
> By which you mean what, in this context? If you want assembled and 
> stuffed boards, you're not describing a completed system, which is the 
> usual use of that term - turn the key, no assembly required. If you want 
> them installed in complete boxes, say so, it's quite possible, if you 
> pay the labor. 

Assembled boards.  With or without the case I'm not sure at the moment.  
The case portion of the assembly isn't particularly critical.  The 
assembly (with case) is only part of a larger assembly.  The client 
probably won't want to deal with ordering and stocking of the electronic 
components.

> But that's quite different from other possible meanings you could have, 
> such as "netlist in, assembled product out", or "Gerbers in, assembled 
> product out".

Turnkey to me has always meant I send a PO, and I get a finished product 
to my specifications. Whether it's a stuffed PCB or a stuffed PCB in a 
case is just a different spec.  Your experience is obviously different.

The 10's will be on a continuing basis, probably monthly to begin with 
but hopefully increasing in frequency.

Thanks

Robert

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"Robert Adsett" <sub2@aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote in message 
news:MPG.222830f5aacf7bf7989871@free.teranews.com...
>
> I'm looking to see if anyone has any recommendations for a PCB
> assembler/Contract manufacturer in Northern NY State.
>
> Small quantities (10's rather than 1000's)
> Mixed SMT and through hole.
> Preferably turnkey
>
> Robert
>
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>

http://www.risingtechnologies.net

On Feb 22, 11:35 pm, Robert Adsett <s...@aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote:
> In article <LawrenceSMITH-C99265.16131422022...@news.verizon.net>,
> Ecnerwal says...
>
> > In article <MPG.222830f5aacf7bf7989...@free.teranews.com>,
> >  Robert Adsett <s...@aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote:
>
> > > I'm looking to see if anyone has any recommendations for a PCB
> > > assembler/Contract manufacturer in Northern NY State.
>
> > If you have any flexibility, I'm about 5 minutes east from New York
> > state, at the lower part of "Northern" as might be defined by engineers
> > looking at maps, as opposed to "City" people who define Northern rather
> > differently.
>
> I'm peering across the international border so maps are where I start :)
>
>
>
> > > Small quantities (10's rather than 1000's)
> > > Mixed SMT and through hole.
>
> > If you want parts (you supply) put on boards (you supply), I've done a
> > bit of that in the size range you're discussing, with SMT and thru-hole.
> > If you want a board house, I don't do that, and given that I do this
> > stuff on a side basis to keep my hand in (so I'm fine doing 10's) rather
> > than as my primary employment probably means I would not suggest myself
> > if you need much more extensive services, at least at this point in time.
>
> > > Preferably turnkey
>
> > By which you mean what, in this context? If you want assembled and
> > stuffed boards, you're not describing a completed system, which is the
> > usual use of that term - turn the key, no assembly required. If you want
> > them installed in complete boxes, say so, it's quite possible, if you
> > pay the labor.
>
> Assembled boards.  With or without the case I'm not sure at the moment.
> The case portion of the assembly isn't particularly critical.  The
> assembly (with case) is only part of a larger assembly.  The client
> probably won't want to deal with ordering and stocking of the electronic
> components.
>
> > But that's quite different from other possible meanings you could have,
> > such as "netlist in, assembled product out", or "Gerbers in, assembled
> > product out".
>
> Turnkey to me has always meant I send a PO, and I get a finished product
> to my specifications. Whether it's a stuffed PCB or a stuffed PCB in a
> case is just a different spec.  Your experience is obviously different.
>
> The 10's will be on a continuing basis, probably monthly to begin with
> but hopefully increasing in frequency.
>
> Thanks
>
> Robert

Sometimes it can be funny watching people talking past each other.
Both of you understand that the term "turn-key" can mean something
different to each other, but neither of you have clearly described
specifically what you mean by it.

"Where I come from", turn-key board assembly means that the assembly
house does the procurement of the parts to stuff on the board as well
as the assembly.  I don't think this necessarily includes procurement
of the PCB since that is a very different technical task and unless it
is adequately specified (where "adequately" is an arbitrarily defined
term) should involve the design engineer.

So if you want "turn-key", I suggest that you not say things like, "I
send a PO, and I get a finished product to my specifications.", but
rather outline exactly what tasks you want the assembler to take on.

I learned this about construction some time ago.  I needed a new door
installed at my house.  I asked for a new door and frame and it was
installed without painting.  To me, painting should have been
included... who wants an unpainted front door?  But to the contractor,
painting is a separate item and should have been specified.

So list all of the things that you want the assembly house to do...
buy parts, buy boards, assembly, inspection, test, burn-in, stocking,
drop shipping...

In article <941b8e87-96ab-4112-ac2f-f18af533924f@
34g2000hsz.googlegroups.com>, rickman says...
> Sometimes it can be funny watching people talking past each other.
> Both of you understand that the term "turn-key" can mean something
> different to each other, but neither of you have clearly described
> specifically what you mean by it.
> 
> "Where I come from", turn-key board assembly means that the assembly
> house does the procurement of the parts to stuff on the board as well
> as the assembly.  I don't think this necessarily includes procurement
> of the PCB since that is a very different technical task and unless it
> is adequately specified (where "adequately" is an arbitrarily defined
> term) should involve the design engineer.

Your definition follows the useage I've normally seen.  I'd include the 
PCB in that definition as most houses I've dealt with have ther own 
preferred supplier.  I just need to give them the appropriate 
manufacturing files.  But if necessary iit's easy enough to pass along a 
PCB supplier contact info and a part number they can use to order a 
board from them from information I've alreasy given the PCN 
manufacturer.

> So if you want "turn-key", I suggest that you not say things like, "I
> send a PO, and I get a finished product to my specifications.", but
> rather outline exactly what tasks you want the assembler to take on.

Oh when it gets to the actual selection I'll talk to the assembler and 
see exactly what they need.  I'm expecting I'll have to supply part 
specs for the components and manufacturing drawing where needed.  I 
would hope they would suggest alternatives if they have a part they use 
in quantity that may be a suitable replacement for a part I've already 
specified, but not all are willing to participate that much.

> I learned this about construction some time ago.  I needed a new door
> installed at my house.  I asked for a new door and frame and it was
> installed without painting.  To me, painting should have been
> included... who wants an unpainted front door?  But to the contractor,
> painting is a separate item and should have been specified.
> 
> So list all of the things that you want the assembly house to do...
> buy parts, buy boards, assembly, inspection, test, burn-in, stocking,
> drop shipping...

Mea culpa, I have been a bit sloppy about exactly what I want but all 
I'm looking for at this point are assembly houses in the area that 
others have found to be quality producers.  More along the lines of 
searching for a reputable contractor than providing a detailed spec to 
the contractor.  I figure the latter will come when I have a few good 
candidates. 

Robert


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In article <fpobca$co5$1@aioe.org>, Brian says...
> 
> "Robert Adsett" <sub2@aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote in message 
> news:MPG.222830f5aacf7bf7989871@free.teranews.com...
> >
> > I'm looking to see if anyone has any recommendations for a PCB
> > assembler/Contract manufacturer in Northern NY State.
> >
> > Small quantities (10's rather than 1000's)
> > Mixed SMT and through hole.
> > Preferably turnkey
> 
> http://www.risingtechnologies.net

Thanks Brian.


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Sorry about that. Their prices we reasonable about 8-10 yrs ago. They do small quantities and their Facilities are well 
organized.

http://www.emstech.com/

Cheers

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> In article <X1Jvj.222$my3.175@trndny06>, Martin Riddle says...
>> EMS Rochester
>>
>> "Robert Adsett" <sub2@aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote in message news:MPG.222830f5aacf7bf7989871@free.teranews.com...
>> >
>> > I'm looking to see if anyone has any recommendations for a PCB
>> > assembler/Contract manufacturer in Northern NY State.
>> >
>> > Small quantities (10's rather than 1000's)
>> > Mixed SMT and through hole.
>> > Preferably turnkey
>
> Thanks Martin, Do you have more complete contact information?  A search
> on EMS Rochester gets me Emergency Medical Services.
>
> Robert
>
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