ST's new reconfigurable microcontroller
Started by ●June 19, 2005
ST's new reconfigurable microcontroller with dual mac dsp
which has 16MBit DRAM, 300MHz ARM9, 600MHZ DSP, and a 150K FPGA,
Dual ethernet, ADC/DAC.... http://www.st.com/stonline/books/ascii/docs/11335.htm
Taken their existing STW21000 - ARM926 + fpga and added to it.
http://www.st.com/stonline/books/ascii/docs/11277.htm
Reply by ●June 22, 20052005-06-22
Came across this one
http://www.terasic.com/english/fpga_01.htm
Designed for multimedia. EP1C6Q248C8
vga , tvout , audio out(line out) , ps2 , rs232 , usb programming
cf card , config prom , 16 bit audio , 1MB flash + 8MB ram
for US$149 Alex
http://www.terasic.com/english/fpga_01.htm
Designed for multimedia. EP1C6Q248C8
vga , tvout , audio out(line out) , ps2 , rs232 , usb programming
cf card , config prom , 16 bit audio , 1MB flash + 8MB ram
for US$149 Alex
Reply by ●June 22, 20052005-06-22
That's a very nice board!
--- In fpga-cpu@fpga..., Alex Gibson <yahoo@a...> wrote:
> Came across this one
> http://www.terasic.com/english/fpga_01.htm
>
> Designed for multimedia. EP1C6Q248C8
> vga , tvout , audio out(line out) , ps2 , rs232 , usb programming
> cf card , config prom , 16 bit audio , 1MB flash + 8MB ram
> for US$149 > Alex
Reply by ●June 23, 20052005-06-23
Hi Richard & Alex,
Yes it does look like a nice board.
I was wondering what size the Altera FPGA is in comparison to the Xilinx
devices.
I have problems running the Altera Software as the license clashes with the
Modelsim licence used for Xilinx Webpack - it uses the same environment
variable.
Has any one had any experience running the Xilinx software and Altera
software together ?
I'm still hanging out for a video and audio codec.
I'd love to implement a graphics effects generator that allows warping and
multiple video inputs in floating sprites :-) I've just been too lazy to
sit down and design
a video codec board. The FPGA board would also probably need a few more
frame
stores than you find on the average board.
Even an audio codec would allow for some experimentation with speech filters
companders and LPC synthesis / speech recognition
John.. rtstofer wrote:
>That's a very nice board!
>
>--- In fpga-cpu@fpga..., Alex Gibson <yahoo@a...> wrote: >>Came across this one
>>http://www.terasic.com/english/fpga_01.htm
>>
>>Designed for multimedia. EP1C6Q248C8
>>vga , tvout , audio out(line out) , ps2 , rs232 , usb programming
>>cf card , config prom , 16 bit audio , 1MB flash + 8MB ram
>>for US$149
>>
>>
>>Alex
>>
> >
>
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Yes it does look like a nice board.
I was wondering what size the Altera FPGA is in comparison to the Xilinx
devices.
I have problems running the Altera Software as the license clashes with the
Modelsim licence used for Xilinx Webpack - it uses the same environment
variable.
Has any one had any experience running the Xilinx software and Altera
software together ?
I'm still hanging out for a video and audio codec.
I'd love to implement a graphics effects generator that allows warping and
multiple video inputs in floating sprites :-) I've just been too lazy to
sit down and design
a video codec board. The FPGA board would also probably need a few more
frame
stores than you find on the average board.
Even an audio codec would allow for some experimentation with speech filters
companders and LPC synthesis / speech recognition
John.. rtstofer wrote:
>That's a very nice board!
>
>--- In fpga-cpu@fpga..., Alex Gibson <yahoo@a...> wrote: >>Came across this one
>>http://www.terasic.com/english/fpga_01.htm
>>
>>Designed for multimedia. EP1C6Q248C8
>>vga , tvout , audio out(line out) , ps2 , rs232 , usb programming
>>cf card , config prom , 16 bit audio , 1MB flash + 8MB ram
>>for US$149
>>
>>
>>Alex
>>
> >
>
>To post a message, send it to: fpga-cpu@fpga...
>To unsubscribe, send a blank message to: fpga-cpu-unsubscribe@fpga...
>Yahoo! Groups Links >
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Reply by ●June 23, 20052005-06-23
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Kent" <jekent@jeke...>
To: <fpga-cpu@fpga...>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [fpga-cpu] Re: Low cost Altera board > Hi Richard & Alex,
>
> Yes it does look like a nice board.
>
> I was wondering what size the Altera FPGA is in comparison to the Xilinx
> devices.
> I have problems running the Altera Software as the license clashes with
> the
> Modelsim licence used for Xilinx Webpack - it uses the same environment
> variable.
> Has any one had any experience running the Xilinx software and Altera
> software together ?
>
> I'm still hanging out for a video and audio codec.
> I'd love to implement a graphics effects generator that allows warping and
> multiple video inputs in floating sprites :-) I've just been too lazy to
> sit down and design
> a video codec board. The FPGA board would also probably need a few more
> frame
> stores than you find on the average board.
>
> Even an audio codec would allow for some experimentation with speech
> filters
> companders and LPC synthesis / speech recognition
I've designed a very simple codec interface board for the Digilent Spartan 3
kit which uses the Si3000 speech codec. I haven't got round to making a PCB
and trying it, though.
Leon
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From: "John Kent" <jekent@jeke...>
To: <fpga-cpu@fpga...>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [fpga-cpu] Re: Low cost Altera board > Hi Richard & Alex,
>
> Yes it does look like a nice board.
>
> I was wondering what size the Altera FPGA is in comparison to the Xilinx
> devices.
> I have problems running the Altera Software as the license clashes with
> the
> Modelsim licence used for Xilinx Webpack - it uses the same environment
> variable.
> Has any one had any experience running the Xilinx software and Altera
> software together ?
>
> I'm still hanging out for a video and audio codec.
> I'd love to implement a graphics effects generator that allows warping and
> multiple video inputs in floating sprites :-) I've just been too lazy to
> sit down and design
> a video codec board. The FPGA board would also probably need a few more
> frame
> stores than you find on the average board.
>
> Even an audio codec would allow for some experimentation with speech
> filters
> companders and LPC synthesis / speech recognition
I've designed a very simple codec interface board for the Digilent Spartan 3
kit which uses the Si3000 speech codec. I haven't got round to making a PCB
and trying it, though.
Leon
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Reply by ●June 24, 20052005-06-24
John Kent wrote:
> Hi Richard & Alex,
>
> Yes it does look like a nice board.
>
> I was wondering what size the Altera FPGA is in comparison to the Xilinx
> devices.
Approx 100K - 150K gate I think , not 100% sure.
> I have problems running the Altera Software as the license clashes with the
> Modelsim licence used for Xilinx Webpack - it uses the same environment
> variable.
which one ?
webpack was installed first then quartus then ise.
No idea if the order makes a difference or not.
> Has any one had any experience running the Xilinx software and Altera
> software together ?
Yes. Have xilinx ise 7.1 sp 1 and webpack 6.3 sp 2 + modelsim xe ,
quartusII v5 web edition on both my desktop and laptop without problems.
Running xp sp2 on desktop and xp tablet 2005 sp2 on laptop.
Can run both ise and quartus at the same time, without problems
as long as you have lots of ram.
>
> I'm still hanging out for a video and audio codec.
> I'd love to implement a graphics effects generator that allows warping and
> multiple video inputs in floating sprites :-) I've just been too lazy to
> sit down and design
> a video codec board. The FPGA board would also probably need a few more
> frame
> stores than you find on the average board.
Think this is what Andre Le moth www.xgamestation.com
plans to do with the next xgs version , out sometime next year.
Have a fpga based gpu.
> Even an audio codec would allow for some experimentation with speech filters
> companders and LPC synthesis / speech recognition
>
> John..
> Hi Richard & Alex,
>
> Yes it does look like a nice board.
>
> I was wondering what size the Altera FPGA is in comparison to the Xilinx
> devices.
Approx 100K - 150K gate I think , not 100% sure.
> I have problems running the Altera Software as the license clashes with the
> Modelsim licence used for Xilinx Webpack - it uses the same environment
> variable.
which one ?
webpack was installed first then quartus then ise.
No idea if the order makes a difference or not.
> Has any one had any experience running the Xilinx software and Altera
> software together ?
Yes. Have xilinx ise 7.1 sp 1 and webpack 6.3 sp 2 + modelsim xe ,
quartusII v5 web edition on both my desktop and laptop without problems.
Running xp sp2 on desktop and xp tablet 2005 sp2 on laptop.
Can run both ise and quartus at the same time, without problems
as long as you have lots of ram.
>
> I'm still hanging out for a video and audio codec.
> I'd love to implement a graphics effects generator that allows warping and
> multiple video inputs in floating sprites :-) I've just been too lazy to
> sit down and design
> a video codec board. The FPGA board would also probably need a few more
> frame
> stores than you find on the average board.
Think this is what Andre Le moth www.xgamestation.com
plans to do with the next xgs version , out sometime next year.
Have a fpga based gpu.
> Even an audio codec would allow for some experimentation with speech filters
> companders and LPC synthesis / speech recognition
>
> John..
Reply by ●June 24, 20052005-06-24
Hi Alex,
Alex Gibson wrote:
>John Kent wrote: >>I was wondering what size the Altera FPGA is in comparison to the Xilinx
>>devices.
>>
>>
>
>Approx 100K - 150K gate I think , not 100% sure. >
Is that Altera gates or Xilinx gates ? I think there is a factor of two
difference if Altera are to be beleived.
ie. 100K Altera gates = 200K Xilinx gates. Its sort of like MIPs I guess
... Meaningless Indicator of Perforance.
In either case, it's not a particularly big device if you are correct.
Guess it keeps the cost down.
>>I have problems running the Altera Software as the license clashes with the
>>Modelsim licence used for Xilinx Webpack - it uses the same environment
>>variable.
>>
>>
>
>which one ?
>
>webpack was installed first then quartus then ise.
>No idea if the order makes a difference or not. >
I was using Altera Quartus II web edition 3.0 but I notice starting it
up you have the choice
of using the LM_LICENSE envirnoment variable or using a specific license
file.
I installed Quartus after Webpack ISE 6.3. I now run ISE Webpack 7.1
Modelsim was 5.7g or some such thing.
>Think this is what Andre Le moth www.xgamestation.com
>plans to do with the next xgs version , out sometime next year.
>Have a fpga based gpu. >
The xgamestation web site is pretty spiffy, but I'm wondering about
using a PIC for
archade games.... Seems to work, but an ARM7 or the new ST ARM9
reconfigurable
microcontroller you mentioned a few days ago, sound like it would fit
the bill a little better.
I could not find any references to a future FPGA GPU, but maybe I did
not look hard enough.
John.
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>John Kent wrote: >>I was wondering what size the Altera FPGA is in comparison to the Xilinx
>>devices.
>>
>>
>
>Approx 100K - 150K gate I think , not 100% sure. >
Is that Altera gates or Xilinx gates ? I think there is a factor of two
difference if Altera are to be beleived.
ie. 100K Altera gates = 200K Xilinx gates. Its sort of like MIPs I guess
... Meaningless Indicator of Perforance.
In either case, it's not a particularly big device if you are correct.
Guess it keeps the cost down.
>>I have problems running the Altera Software as the license clashes with the
>>Modelsim licence used for Xilinx Webpack - it uses the same environment
>>variable.
>>
>>
>
>which one ?
>
>webpack was installed first then quartus then ise.
>No idea if the order makes a difference or not. >
I was using Altera Quartus II web edition 3.0 but I notice starting it
up you have the choice
of using the LM_LICENSE envirnoment variable or using a specific license
file.
I installed Quartus after Webpack ISE 6.3. I now run ISE Webpack 7.1
Modelsim was 5.7g or some such thing.
>Think this is what Andre Le moth www.xgamestation.com
>plans to do with the next xgs version , out sometime next year.
>Have a fpga based gpu. >
The xgamestation web site is pretty spiffy, but I'm wondering about
using a PIC for
archade games.... Seems to work, but an ARM7 or the new ST ARM9
reconfigurable
microcontroller you mentioned a few days ago, sound like it would fit
the bill a little better.
I could not find any references to a future FPGA GPU, but maybe I did
not look hard enough.
John.
--
http://members.optushome.com.au/jekent
Reply by ●June 24, 20052005-06-24
>>
>>Approx 100K - 150K gate I think , not 100% sure.
>>
>>
>>
> Is that Altera gates or Xilinx gates ? I think there is a factor of two
> difference if Altera are to be beleived.
> ie. 100K Altera gates = 200K Xilinx gates. Its sort of like MIPs I guess
> ... Meaningless Indicator of Perforance.
> In either case, it's not a particularly big device if you are correct.
> Guess it keeps the cost down.
>
Best way to compare X and A is LUT count. Altera names them LE and Xilinx
LC. However, don't take the value from the datasheet for the X count -
they are to creative and count 'equivalent LCs'. Run ISE and than
you get the correct LC (LUT) count of a paticular device.
Also X's CLB and slice count is irritating.
Martin
>>Approx 100K - 150K gate I think , not 100% sure.
>>
>>
>>
> Is that Altera gates or Xilinx gates ? I think there is a factor of two
> difference if Altera are to be beleived.
> ie. 100K Altera gates = 200K Xilinx gates. Its sort of like MIPs I guess
> ... Meaningless Indicator of Perforance.
> In either case, it's not a particularly big device if you are correct.
> Guess it keeps the cost down.
>
Best way to compare X and A is LUT count. Altera names them LE and Xilinx
LC. However, don't take the value from the datasheet for the X count -
they are to creative and count 'equivalent LCs'. Run ISE and than
you get the correct LC (LUT) count of a paticular device.
Also X's CLB and slice count is irritating.
Martin
Reply by ●June 24, 20052005-06-24
Not fully understanding the differences in how different
vendors label their chips, would this be big enough to
expirement with some sort of SoC stuff, using 'smaller'
CPU's like DLX, or Z80?
No commercial goal, just 'personal' stuff... > Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:15:21 +1000
> From: Alex Gibson <yahoo@yaho...>
> Subject: Low cost Altera board
>
> Came across this one
> http://www.terasic.com/english/fpga_01.htm
>
> Designed for multimedia. EP1C6Q248C8
> vga , tvout , audio out(line out) , ps2 , rs232 , usb programming
> cf card , config prom , 16 bit audio , 1MB flash + 8MB ram
> for US$149 > Alex
>
vendors label their chips, would this be big enough to
expirement with some sort of SoC stuff, using 'smaller'
CPU's like DLX, or Z80?
No commercial goal, just 'personal' stuff... > Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:15:21 +1000
> From: Alex Gibson <yahoo@yaho...>
> Subject: Low cost Altera board
>
> Came across this one
> http://www.terasic.com/english/fpga_01.htm
>
> Designed for multimedia. EP1C6Q248C8
> vga , tvout , audio out(line out) , ps2 , rs232 , usb programming
> cf card , config prom , 16 bit audio , 1MB flash + 8MB ram
> for US$149 > Alex
>
Reply by ●June 24, 20052005-06-24
I'm interested in the equivalence as well. My Z80 CP/M project
takes 2992 of the 6144 available LUTS in a XC2S300E Xilinx FPGA.
The 'equivalent gate count' is 259,353 + 4704 for JTAG. I'm still
not clear about the definition of 'equivalent gate count' as it is
about 264k of the '300k' gate device, about 88%. On a LUT basis the
project uses just 48% of the available LUTs.
Anyway, statistics aside, I wonder if this will fit in the 5980 LEs
available in the EP1C6Q240C8? There's one way to find out, I
guess... --- In fpga-cpu@fpga..., Tony <tony@i...> wrote:
> Not fully understanding the differences in how different
> vendors label their chips, would this be big enough to
> expirement with some sort of SoC stuff, using 'smaller'
> CPU's like DLX, or Z80?
>
> No commercial goal, just 'personal' stuff... > > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:15:21 +1000
> > From: Alex Gibson <yahoo@a...>
> > Subject: Low cost Altera board
> >
> > Came across this one
> > http://www.terasic.com/english/fpga_01.htm
> >
> > Designed for multimedia. EP1C6Q248C8
> > vga , tvout , audio out(line out) , ps2 , rs232 , usb programming
> > cf card , config prom , 16 bit audio , 1MB flash + 8MB ram
> > for US$149
> >
> >
> > Alex
> >
