interesting info from Atmel

Started by tsvetanusunov May 28, 2004
Hi,

you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in comp.embedded.arch:
<quote>
Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add also a
256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
</quote>

it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed
(increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)

also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and
AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash
price go more down under ;)

Best regards
Tsvetan
---
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An Engineer's Guide to the LPC2100 Series

Hi

I have an even better rumor(Fact).
Philips will strike back latter this year with a realy low cost
version of lpc2100.
The series name will be LPC213X and will be LPC2104 alike with 64K
Flash. (More I dont know)

So I guess we will see a real battle within the low cost ARM. Best regards John

--- In , "tsvetanusunov" <tusunov@m...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in
comp.embedded.arch:
> <quote>
> Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
> The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
> a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add
also a
> 256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
> I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
> imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
> </quote>
>
> it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed
> (increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)
>
> also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and
> AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash
> price go more down under ;)
>
> Best regards
> Tsvetan
> ---
> PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb
> (http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
> PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
> Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430
> (http://www.olimex.com/dev)





Every new annoucement seems to strengthen the often-made prediction that ARM
is going to be the 8051 of the 2000's. It is interesting to note that every
major micro vendor (except Renesas/Hitachi and AMD) publicly acknowledge ARM
licensing. Of course Hitachi and AMD might have some secret licensing deal
like Motorola is rumoured to have had for some years.

Personally, I'm waiting for a rash of USB clients....

I hope too for devices with faster GPIO blocks. It really **sucks** that a
60/70Mhz core can only modulate GPIO pins a 6MHz.

As more and more devices start using ARM and m iore and more programmers
start to use ARM it is going to be harder to justify proprietary
architectures like AVR and H8. The "value added differentiation" is going to
come from other quarters like better peripherals, integrated CPLDs etc.

-- CHarles
> Hi
>
> I have an even better rumor(Fact).
> Philips will strike back latter this year with a realy low cost
> version of lpc2100.
> The series name will be LPC213X and will be LPC2104 alike with 64K
> Flash. (More I dont know)
>
> So I guess we will see a real battle within the low cost ARM. > Best regards > John
>
> --- In , "tsvetanusunov" <tusunov@m...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in
>
> comp.embedded.arch:
> > <quote>
> > Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
> > The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
> > a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add
>
> also a
>
> > 256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
> > I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
> > imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
> > </quote>
> >
> > it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed
> > (increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)
> >
> > also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and
> > AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash
> > price go more down under ;)
> >
> > Best regards
> > Tsvetan
> > ---
> > PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb
> > (http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
> > PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
> > Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430
> > (http://www.olimex.com/dev) >
> Yahoo! Groups Links >




But I have yet to see an ARM with as low as 250uA (yes you read right micro
ampere) current draw in active mode like the AVR ATtiny13 !

Find that or better and im sold out :)

Best regards
Lasse Madsen

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Charles Manning [mailto:]
Sendt: 3. juni 2004 09:00
Til:
Emne: Re: [lpc2000] Re: interesting info from Atmel Every new annoucement seems to strengthen the often-made prediction that ARM
is going to be the 8051 of the 2000's. It is interesting to note that every
major micro vendor (except Renesas/Hitachi and AMD) publicly acknowledge ARM
licensing. Of course Hitachi and AMD might have some secret licensing deal
like Motorola is rumoured to have had for some years.

Personally, I'm waiting for a rash of USB clients....

I hope too for devices with faster GPIO blocks. It really **sucks** that a
60/70Mhz core can only modulate GPIO pins a 6MHz.

As more and more devices start using ARM and m iore and more programmers
start to use ARM it is going to be harder to justify proprietary
architectures like AVR and H8. The "value added differentiation" is going to
come from other quarters like better peripherals, integrated CPLDs etc.

-- CHarles
> Hi
>
> I have an even better rumor(Fact).
> Philips will strike back latter this year with a realy low cost
> version of lpc2100.
> The series name will be LPC213X and will be LPC2104 alike with 64K
> Flash. (More I dont know)
>
> So I guess we will see a real battle within the low cost ARM. > Best regards > John
>
> --- In , "tsvetanusunov" <tusunov@m...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in
>
> comp.embedded.arch:
> > <quote>
> > Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
> > The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
> > a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add
>
> also a
>
> > 256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
> > I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
> > imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
> > </quote>
> >
> > it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed
> > (increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)
> >
> > also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and
> > AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash
> > price go more down under ;)
> >
> > Best regards
> > Tsvetan
> > ---
> > PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb
> > (http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
> > PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
> > Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430
> > (http://www.olimex.com/dev) >
> Yahoo! Groups Links >

Yahoo! Groups Links




It is getting harder to justify non-ARM, but not impossible. There will be
many niches left for quite a while.

AFAIK The Texas MSP430 devices are better than that. On Thursday 03 June 2004 19:09, Lasse Madsen wrote:
> But I have yet to see an ARM with as low as 250uA (yes you read right micro
> ampere) current draw in active mode like the AVR ATtiny13 !
>
> Find that or better and im sold out :)
>
> Best regards
> Lasse Madsen
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Charles Manning [mailto:]
> Sendt: 3. juni 2004 09:00
> Til:
> Emne: Re: [lpc2000] Re: interesting info from Atmel > Every new annoucement seems to strengthen the often-made prediction that
> ARM is going to be the 8051 of the 2000's. It is interesting to note that
> every major micro vendor (except Renesas/Hitachi and AMD) publicly
> acknowledge ARM licensing. Of course Hitachi and AMD might have some secret
> licensing deal like Motorola is rumoured to have had for some years.
>
> Personally, I'm waiting for a rash of USB clients....
>
> I hope too for devices with faster GPIO blocks. It really **sucks** that a
> 60/70Mhz core can only modulate GPIO pins a 6MHz.
>
> As more and more devices start using ARM and m iore and more programmers
> start to use ARM it is going to be harder to justify proprietary
> architectures like AVR and H8. The "value added differentiation" is going
> to come from other quarters like better peripherals, integrated CPLDs etc.
>
> -- CHarles
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I have an even better rumor(Fact).
> > Philips will strike back latter this year with a realy low cost
> > version of lpc2100.
> > The series name will be LPC213X and will be LPC2104 alike with 64K
> > Flash. (More I dont know)
> >
> > So I guess we will see a real battle within the low cost ARM.
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > --- In , "tsvetanusunov" <tusunov@m...> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in
> >
> > comp.embedded.arch:
> > > <quote>
> > > Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
> > > The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
> > > a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add
> >
> > also a
> >
> > > 256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
> > > I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
> > > imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
> > > </quote>
> > >
> > > it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed
> > > (increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)
> > >
> > > also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and
> > > AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash
> > > price go more down under ;)
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Tsvetan
> > > ---
> > > PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb
> > > (http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
> > > PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
> > > Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430
> > > (http://www.olimex.com/dev)
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links >
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links >




> Every new annoucement seems to strengthen the often-made prediction that
ARM
> is going to be the 8051 of the 2000's.

True.

> As more and more devices start using ARM and m iore and more programmers
> start to use ARM it is going to be harder to justify proprietary
> architectures like AVR and H8.

...and movies will make books disappear, and computer screen will substitute
paper, and because of TV there will be no radio stations anymore ;-)

Not true.

Regards,
Igor


>> Of course Hitachi and AMD might have some secret licensing deal
like Motorola is rumoured to have had for some years. <<

It's no secret on Motorola's part! They've been using ARM cores for years in
the Dragonballs that Palm Pilots used to use. They [Motorola] now have these
MAC7100 devices which are not at all dissimilar to the Phillips devices.
(Although they're not keen to promote these devices unless the volumes are
huge as they want to keep people using their Coldfire devices. "P*ssing in
the wind" is the phrase that comes to mind! ;-)


--- In , "tsvetanusunov" <tusunov@m...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in
comp.embedded.arch:
> <quote>
> Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
> The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
> a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add
also a
> 256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
> I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
> imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
> </quote>
>
> it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed
> (increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)
>
> also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and
> AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash
> price go more down under ;)
>
> Best regards
> Tsvetan
> ---
> PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb
> (http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
> PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
> Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430
> (http://www.olimex.com/dev)

Hi tsvetan,

I will say that Atmel Watches Philips but Philips watches ATMEL too.
After that if you like one or the other you will tell it in the way
in favour of the one you like. That's normal ! But that's not just
like "Big brther is watching you...".
Big Manufacturers like Philips and Atmel have Analysis report about
flash memory size trends for the ARM MCU Market, and then they decide
to create a new family. So, you will have crossed feature between
both manucaturer at a certain moment.
According to me, you will see New Philips Standard ARM Products based
on ARM920T and ARM926EJS core, like ATMEL Family has already now.

Bye.



Hi Tsvetan and ?

it is a fact that Atmel has done a great job copying Philips devices
in the 51-world and adding some additional nice features. Atmel wasa
definitely earlier with ARM on the general purpose microcontroller
market and Philips did not copy but came out with a much more
innovative family, the LPC2000. Now Atmel is ready to copy again (no
offense ;-) and add some additional features.
In the end this is good for the customer who buys microcontrollers
that strong competition will keep development going forward. It is a
little unusual that Philips generated a new market in the 32-bit
micros but for sure there are several competitors now entering the
market, encouriging all others to become even better.
Let' all look forward what kind of devices will be out next.

btw. I am also convinced that Philips will come out with ARM9 devices
but I doubt they will be too similar to the Atmel devices.

It's fun to see this market evolving and in the end we, the
microcontroller users will be the winners :-))

Bob

--- In , "trick260173" <trick260173@y...> wrote:
> --- In , "tsvetanusunov" <tusunov@m...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in
> comp.embedded.arch:
> > <quote>
> > Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
> > The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
> > a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add
> also a
> > 256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
> > I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
> > imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
> > </quote>
> >
> > it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed
> > (increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)
> >
> > also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and
> > AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash
> > price go more down under ;)
> >
> > Best regards
> > Tsvetan
> > ---
> > PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb
> > (http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
> > PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
> > Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430
> > (http://www.olimex.com/dev)
>
> Hi tsvetan,
>
> I will say that Atmel Watches Philips but Philips watches ATMEL too.
> After that if you like one or the other you will tell it in the way
> in favour of the one you like. That's normal ! But that's not just
> like "Big brther is watching you...".
> Big Manufacturers like Philips and Atmel have Analysis report about
> flash memory size trends for the ARM MCU Market, and then they decide
> to create a new family. So, you will have crossed feature between
> both manucaturer at a certain moment.
> According to me, you will see New Philips Standard ARM Products based
> on ARM920T and ARM926EJS core, like ATMEL Family has already now.
>
> Bye.





--- In , "trick260173" <trick260173@y...>
wrote:
> According to me, you will see New Philips Standard ARM Products
based
> on ARM920T and ARM926EJS core, like ATMEL Family has already now.
ARM9 has already been announced (by Philips) for the automotive
family (2004/2005):
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/literature/9397/75012509
.pdf