Hi,

I'm trying to use CAN with some less-common baud rates but I'm not sure if my
calculations are right. Crystal is 12MHz, using a 5x multiplier for a frequency
of 60MHz. VPB divider is 1, so peripherals run at 60MHz.

I've tested 500kbps and 250kbps, but would like to add 33kbps, 95kbps and
125kbps. I tried setting these rates but it keeps throwing errors onto the
network.

Good:

250 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E000C;

500 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E0005;

Giving errors:

33.3 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E005A;

95 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E0020;

125 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E0018;

Is there a glaring error here? I know I'm not going to be able to nail the
frequency 100%, but hope to come close enough.

Thanks!

# LPC2129 - Setting CAN Baud rate & Getting Errors

Started by ●May 21, 2014

Posted by ●May 21, 2014

> Hi,

>

> I'm trying to use CAN with some less-common baud rates but I'm not sure if

> my calculations are right. Crystal is 12MHz, using a 5x multiplier for a

> frequency of 60MHz. VPB divider is 1, so peripherals run at 60MHz.

>

> I've tested 500kbps and 250kbps, but would like to add 33kbps, 95kbps and

> 125kbps. I tried setting these rates but it keeps throwing errors onto the

> network.

>

> Good:

> 250 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E000C;

> 500 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E0005;

>

> Giving errors:

> 33.3 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E005A;

> 95 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E0020;

> 125 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E0018;

>

We are using both CAN modules in the LPC1778 so I guess that the same CAN

IP module is used in the LPC2129.

The right settings depend on the bit quanta and the sample point you are

using . Normally the bit quanta vary in between 8 and 20 (some

are using up to 24). The sample point should be somewhere between 75 %

and 90 % of the bitquanta for good results. A spreadsheet will help you

to find out the right settings for the CAN bit timing register.

The input parameters are the pclk, the requested CAN bitrate and the

bitquanta.

Just a hint : I would not choose a very high pclk for the CAN bitrate

timing. You might not achieve a pretty low CAN bitrate result like 10 Kbt/s

or even 5 Kbit/s if you would like to apply them in the future.

Hope this will give you an idea.

Br,

Armand

Posted by: a...@mini-amd.org

>

> I'm trying to use CAN with some less-common baud rates but I'm not sure if

> my calculations are right. Crystal is 12MHz, using a 5x multiplier for a

> frequency of 60MHz. VPB divider is 1, so peripherals run at 60MHz.

>

> I've tested 500kbps and 250kbps, but would like to add 33kbps, 95kbps and

> 125kbps. I tried setting these rates but it keeps throwing errors onto the

> network.

>

> Good:

> 250 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E000C;

> 500 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E0005;

>

> Giving errors:

> 33.3 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E005A;

> 95 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E0020;

> 125 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E0018;

>

We are using both CAN modules in the LPC1778 so I guess that the same CAN

IP module is used in the LPC2129.

The right settings depend on the bit quanta and the sample point you are

using . Normally the bit quanta vary in between 8 and 20 (some

are using up to 24). The sample point should be somewhere between 75 %

and 90 % of the bitquanta for good results. A spreadsheet will help you

to find out the right settings for the CAN bit timing register.

The input parameters are the pclk, the requested CAN bitrate and the

bitquanta.

Just a hint : I would not choose a very high pclk for the CAN bitrate

timing. You might not achieve a pretty low CAN bitrate result like 10 Kbt/s

or even 5 Kbit/s if you would like to apply them in the future.

Hope this will give you an idea.

Br,

Armand

Posted by: a...@mini-amd.org

Posted by ●May 21, 2014

Thanks Armand, I'll look into that. Unfortunately I'm locked into these baud
rates because I want to work with existing systems.

Seems like I should back out the settings from the known-good bauds and then check the baud rate and use the same quanta. I had tried to do that awhile back, but need to make sure my calculations are right!

Seems like I should back out the settings from the known-good bauds and then check the baud rate and use the same quanta. I had tried to do that awhile back, but need to make sure my calculations are right!

Posted by ●May 21, 2014

On 21.05.2014 19:44, s...@gmail.com [lpc2000] wrote:

> Good:

> 250 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E000C;

> 500 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E0005;

I get an impression, that you forgot that the clock is divided with BRP

+ 1. So BRP in 250kbps should be (60MHz / 250kHz / 20) - 1 (where 20 is

the number of clocks in a bit from the C2BTR). That gives 0x3E000B. I

don't know why 250kbps is good but 500kbps seems to be accurate whereas

the other rates seems to contain the error.

--

Timo

Posted by: Timo

> Good:

> 250 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E000C;

> 500 kbps: C2BTR = 0x3E0005;

I get an impression, that you forgot that the clock is divided with BRP

+ 1. So BRP in 250kbps should be (60MHz / 250kHz / 20) - 1 (where 20 is

the number of clocks in a bit from the C2BTR). That gives 0x3E000B. I

don't know why 250kbps is good but 500kbps seems to be accurate whereas

the other rates seems to contain the error.

--

Timo

Posted by: Timo

Posted by ●May 21, 2014

Hello,

in addition to Armands post I would like to mention that you should

check first if

the time for one time quanta can be divided by the PCLK period,

without(!) fraction.

In your case you're using a number of 20 time quantas at a sample point

of 80%. Many

standards (CANopen or J1939) use sample points close to 87.5%. In our

systems we are

using the following setup:

0x002F0017, // 125 KBit/sec, 20 Tq, BRP = 24

0x002F000B, // 250 KBit/sec, 20 Tq, BRP = 12

0x002F0005, // 500 KBit/sec, 20 Tq, BRP = 6

Bitrates below 50 kBit/s are not possible with a CAN clock of 60 MHz,

because the

prescaler value is limited (BTW: please make sure that your CAN

transceiver can handle

bitrates below 50 kBit/s due to the "dominant bit timeout feature").

The bitrate 95 kBit/s is not possible with your settings, I calculated a

prescaler

value of 31.5789 (i.e. no fun at all for CAN to re-synchronize).

Best regards,

Uwe

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Homepage: www.microcontrol.net

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in addition to Armands post I would like to mention that you should

check first if

the time for one time quanta can be divided by the PCLK period,

without(!) fraction.

In your case you're using a number of 20 time quantas at a sample point

of 80%. Many

standards (CANopen or J1939) use sample points close to 87.5%. In our

systems we are

using the following setup:

0x002F0017, // 125 KBit/sec, 20 Tq, BRP = 24

0x002F000B, // 250 KBit/sec, 20 Tq, BRP = 12

0x002F0005, // 500 KBit/sec, 20 Tq, BRP = 6

Bitrates below 50 kBit/s are not possible with a CAN clock of 60 MHz,

because the

prescaler value is limited (BTW: please make sure that your CAN

transceiver can handle

bitrates below 50 kBit/s due to the "dominant bit timeout feature").

The bitrate 95 kBit/s is not possible with your settings, I calculated a

prescaler

value of 31.5789 (i.e. no fun at all for CAN to re-synchronize).

Best regards,

Uwe

---------------------------------

MicroControl GmbH & Co. KG

Lindlausstr. 2c, 53842 Troisdorf, Germany

Homepage: www.microcontrol.net

Facebook: www.facebook.com/MicroControl.net

Twitter : twitter.com/_microcontrol_

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