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C compilers for the 430

Started by jstein_67 February 25, 2008
So...

I've only used the IAR C compiler to date, but seeing the huge cost
differences between CCE, IAR and Crossworks, I'm intersted in getting
others' take on this. So what's your opinion? Love? Hate?
Cost/benefit comparisons? Worth it to switch to another?

IAR: $2500
Thoughts: I like it....but not the price tag! Easy to work
with...easy for a new guy to get going on.

CCE: $500
Thoughts: Like the look of the price....but otherwise a big '?'

Crossworks: $1250ish
Thoughts: ?????

later
-stein

PS: snide comments always welcome!

Beginning Microcontrollers with the MSP430

It depends on one's budget of course.
I used full version IAR on MSP430 and AVR for a couple of years, and they were justifiable as a
business for commercial use. V1.x of EW430 was quite clunky though.
Do bear in mind that you are required to pay a 20% fee every year to receive 'updates' with IAR.
The distys tend to not tell you this until you've bought the product.....

I've used CrossWorks for some 6 years now and I can't stress enough the value of this toolchain.
Probably even easier than IAR to get started with, much superior support, equal if not better code
quality, no ongoing licence fees, much better 'out of the box' experience and a Debugger that's
out of this world, much more powerful than any other product in its class.
And did I mention you can purchase a personal or a student license (non-commercial use) at reduced
cost ?
It's also worth checking out their CrossConnect USB debugger interface, lightning fast
flashing/debugging !!!

Best Regards,
Kris

-----Original Message-----
From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf Of jstein_67
Sent: Monday, 25 February 2008 3:25 PM
To: m...
Subject: [msp430] C compilers for the 430

So...

I've only used the IAR C compiler to date, but seeing the huge cost
differences between CCE, IAR and Crossworks, I'm intersted in getting
others' take on this. So what's your opinion? Love? Hate?
Cost/benefit comparisons? Worth it to switch to another?

IAR: $2500
Thoughts: I like it....but not the price tag! Easy to work
with...easy for a new guy to get going on.

CCE: $500
Thoughts: Like the look of the price....but otherwise a big '?'

Crossworks: $1250ish
Thoughts: ?????

later
-stein

PS: snide comments always welcome!
Then there is msp430-gcc.

http://mspgcc.sourceforge.net/

Costs nothing, works well for me.

Regards

Chris
--- In m..., Chris Weimann wrote:
> Then there is msp430-gcc.
>
> http://mspgcc.sourceforge.net/
>
> Costs nothing, works well for me.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
And there's Quadravox, Imagecraft, and others. The complete list is at
http://focus.ti.com/mcu/docs/mcucodeexnewsltrbuglist.tsp?
sectionId&tabId72

Michel
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 04:24:33AM -0000, jstein_67 wrote:
> I've only used the IAR C compiler to date, but seeing the huge cost
> differences between CCE, IAR and Crossworks, I'm intersted in getting
> others' take on this. So what's your opinion? Love? Hate?
> Cost/benefit comparisons? Worth it to switch to another?
> IAR: $2500
> CCE: $500
> Crossworks: $1250ish

Rowley Crossworks is definitely the superior solution. Some considerations:

1) Stability (even under Windows! It even works with Vista...)
2) Accessible and speedy support, straight from the source.
3) Cross-platform (Windows & Linux versions look and feel identical!)
4) Sensible licensing: 'per-user' licensing model.

Take care,
-Chris

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We had previously used ImageCraft
(http://www.imagecraft.com/devtools_MSP430.html) which is very
innexpensive and produced very high-quality compiled code. It may be
a good match for you. The IDE and debugger were quite limited
feature-wise compared to IAR, which we use now.

Honestly, for a commercial enterprise, it's hard to justify NOT
getting the right toolset, when you're only talking about a few
thousand dollars difference. The quality of your toolset,
particularly the debugger, in my experience is the biggest factor in
productivity. Consider the dollar savings over a year with only a 10%
increase in prodcutivity...

I recommend the full IAR tools. One reason not mentioned yet in the
discussion is that it is the de facto standard that TI uses. (I know
that this will prompt a lot of arguments!) All of their examples and
workshops use IAR. That alone will give you a kickstart (pun
intended) on getting your project going.

Stuart

--- In m..., "jstein_67" wrote:
>
> So...
>
> I've only used the IAR C compiler to date, but seeing the huge cost
> differences between CCE, IAR and Crossworks, I'm intersted in getting
> others' take on this. So what's your opinion? Love? Hate?
> Cost/benefit comparisons? Worth it to switch to another?
>
> IAR: $2500
> Thoughts: I like it....but not the price tag! Easy to work
> with...easy for a new guy to get going on.
>
> CCE: $500
> Thoughts: Like the look of the price....but otherwise a big '?'
>
> Crossworks: $1250ish
> Thoughts: ?????
>
> later
> -stein
>
> PS: snide comments always welcome!
>
I was used IAR and Quadravox, and only can say I
really hate Quadravox.

If you going to work long time with msp430, I
recommend to use a good tool for development, if is
only a tiny work may be is not viable buy a expensive
tool.

But remember, the time of the development is money too
:) you must decide.

> --- In m..., "jstein_67"
> wrote:
> >
> > So...
> >
> > I've only used the IAR C compiler to date, but
> seeing the huge cost
> > differences between CCE, IAR and Crossworks, I'm
> intersted in getting
> > others' take on this. So what's your opinion?
> Love? Hate?
> > Cost/benefit comparisons? Worth it to switch to
> another?
> >
> > IAR: $2500
> > Thoughts: I like it....but not the price tag!
> Easy to work
> > with...easy for a new guy to get going on.
> >
> > CCE: $500
> > Thoughts: Like the look of the price....but
> otherwise a big '?'
> >
> > Crossworks: $1250ish
> > Thoughts: ?????
> >
> > later
> > -stein
> >
> > PS: snide comments always welcome!
>
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It was supposed to be a loaded question =). I was expecting a few
'mine is greater than yours' comments, at the least.

So I've seen a lot of IAR and Crossworks fans - any CCE supporters
out there?

-stein
--- In m..., "lslonim2" wrote:
>
> People have almost religious dedication to their favorite
compiler, so
> it's a loaded question. I have used them from several vendors and
feel
> the price of the IAR is well worth it.
>
> Lloyd
> --- In m..., "jstein_67"
wrote:
> >
> > So...
> >
> > I've only used the IAR C compiler to date, but seeing the huge
cost
> > differences between CCE, IAR and Crossworks, I'm intersted in
getting
> > others' take on this. So what's your opinion? Love? Hate?
> > Cost/benefit comparisons? Worth it to switch to another?
> >
> > IAR: $2500
> > Thoughts: I like it....but not the price tag! Easy to work
> > with...easy for a new guy to get going on.
> >
> > CCE: $500
> > Thoughts: Like the look of the price....but otherwise a big '?'
> >
> > Crossworks: $1250ish
> > Thoughts: ?????
> >
> > later
> > -stein
> >
> > PS: snide comments always welcome!
>
Atheists do not "believe", they use their own judgments.

--- In m..., "lslonim2" wrote:
>
> People have almost religious dedication to their favorite compiler, so
> it's a loaded question. I have used them from several vendors and feel
> the price of the IAR is well worth it.
>
> Lloyd
> --- In m..., "jstein_67" wrote:
> >
> > So...
> >
> > I've only used the IAR C compiler to date, but seeing the huge cost
> > differences between CCE, IAR and Crossworks, I'm intersted in getting
> > others' take on this. So what's your opinion? Love? Hate?
> > Cost/benefit comparisons? Worth it to switch to another?
> >
> > IAR: $2500
> > Thoughts: I like it....but not the price tag! Easy to work
> > with...easy for a new guy to get going on.
> >
> > CCE: $500
> > Thoughts: Like the look of the price....but otherwise a big '?'
> >
> > Crossworks: $1250ish
> > Thoughts: ?????
> >
> > later
> > -stein
> >
> > PS: snide comments always welcome!
>
Has anyone used eclipse?
I coudn't make it work properly but the IDE is really nice and it's free.

To: m...From: o...@yahoo.comDate: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:54:55 +0000Subject: [msp430] Re: C compilers for the 430

Atheists do not "believe", they use their own judgments.--- In m..., "lslonim2" wrote:>> People have almost religious dedication to their favorite compiler, so> it's a loaded question. I have used them from several vendors and feel> the price of the IAR is well worth it.> > Lloyd> --- In m..., "jstein_67" wrote:> >> > So...> > > > I've only used the IAR C compiler to date, but seeing the huge cost > > differences between CCE, IAR and Crossworks, I'm intersted in getting > > others' take on this. So what's your opinion? Love? Hate? > > Cost/benefit comparisons? Worth it to switch to another?> > > > IAR: $2500> > Thoughts: I like it....but not the price tag! Easy to work > > with...easy for a new guy to get going on.> > > > CCE: $500> > Thoughts: Like the look of the price....but otherwise a big '?'> > > > Crossworks: $1250ish> > Thoughts: ?????> > > > later> > -stein> > > > PS: snide comments always welcome!> >>

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