Anyone have an idea how much a license of IAR for MSP430 costs? (I
have to budget it and can't find info on their site...).
Thanks
How much does IAR cost?
Started by ●January 5, 2009
Reply by ●January 5, 20092009-01-05
Reply by ●January 5, 20092009-01-05
Reply by ●January 5, 20092009-01-05
Hello,
It depends on how many licenses (seats) you purchase.
Expect it to be in the $2K ball-park (1 license). My understanding is
that it is no longer the most expensive toolset for the MSP430.
I recommend calling the office in Foster City - please feel free to tell
them I sent you...;)
I think their customer service is very good. As they will attest - I've
had some fairly convoluted problems they have helped me solve in the past.
I really like the staff of IAR - quality people. Sometimes you get what
you pay for - and rarely, as I think in IAR's case, sometimes you get
more.
Good Luck,
John Westmoreland
PS - If you want specific names of people to talk to - please e-mail me
directly.
It depends on how many licenses (seats) you purchase.
Expect it to be in the $2K ball-park (1 license). My understanding is
that it is no longer the most expensive toolset for the MSP430.
I recommend calling the office in Foster City - please feel free to tell
them I sent you...;)
I think their customer service is very good. As they will attest - I've
had some fairly convoluted problems they have helped me solve in the past.
I really like the staff of IAR - quality people. Sometimes you get what
you pay for - and rarely, as I think in IAR's case, sometimes you get
more.
Good Luck,
John Westmoreland
PS - If you want specific names of people to talk to - please e-mail me
directly.
Reply by ●January 5, 20092009-01-05
Hi,
> It depends on how many licenses (seats) you purchase.
> Expect it to be in the $2K ball-park (1 license).
A good place to start is
http://shop.directinsight.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPathx_80
That's a Baseline version, limited to 12K. GBP 750 is now approx $1125.
There's Limited and Standard editions above that with, I assume, an
appropriate price hike. If you don't publish your prices either (a) you're
afraid it's going to put people off or (b) it's a
if-you-have-to-ask-the-price-you-can't-afford-it thang. Sorry Anders! ;-)
> My understanding is that it is no longer the most expensive
> toolset for the MSP430.
Wow, there's a more expensive one I don't know about? Do tell. Intriguing.
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
> It depends on how many licenses (seats) you purchase.
> Expect it to be in the $2K ball-park (1 license).
A good place to start is
http://shop.directinsight.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPathx_80
That's a Baseline version, limited to 12K. GBP 750 is now approx $1125.
There's Limited and Standard editions above that with, I assume, an
appropriate price hike. If you don't publish your prices either (a) you're
afraid it's going to put people off or (b) it's a
if-you-have-to-ask-the-price-you-can't-afford-it thang. Sorry Anders! ;-)
> My understanding is that it is no longer the most expensive
> toolset for the MSP430.
Wow, there's a more expensive one I don't know about? Do tell. Intriguing.
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
Reply by ●January 5, 20092009-01-05
If you have compiler knowledge in your background and can custom fit a
gcc environment together, you may want to go the gcc "freeware" route.
However, for those without a hardcore CS background and are more
connected to hardware, having a "black box" compiler is quite a useful tool.
As a long time IAR user, they are worth every penny as a labor saving
device. After five years of using IAR for MSP430, I can count on my
fingertips how many time I needed to dive into configuration scripts to
fix a compiler issue. Later, I would find out there was a #pragma flag
available to handle the issues I had in mind.
If you consider it expensive, you haven't had your first big score in
the real world yet. IMO, the fee for the IAR compiler is well worth it
after you ship your first dozen units. Thus, you either pay for it
early (previous knowledge -- as in a few years of academic gcc,) now
(good tools at the start,) or later (fixing development environment bugs
leading to late projects) when you go into projects like this.
Steve
gcc environment together, you may want to go the gcc "freeware" route.
However, for those without a hardcore CS background and are more
connected to hardware, having a "black box" compiler is quite a useful tool.
As a long time IAR user, they are worth every penny as a labor saving
device. After five years of using IAR for MSP430, I can count on my
fingertips how many time I needed to dive into configuration scripts to
fix a compiler issue. Later, I would find out there was a #pragma flag
available to handle the issues I had in mind.
If you consider it expensive, you haven't had your first big score in
the real world yet. IMO, the fee for the IAR compiler is well worth it
after you ship your first dozen units. Thus, you either pay for it
early (previous knowledge -- as in a few years of academic gcc,) now
(good tools at the start,) or later (fixing development environment bugs
leading to late projects) when you go into projects like this.
Steve
Reply by ●January 5, 20092009-01-05
Reply by ●January 5, 20092009-01-05
John,
> Well said Steve,
> John
I'm still intrigued by your statement that IAR is no longer the most
expensive MSP430 compiler in the market. So please, do tell more.
Nobody is denying the worth of good tools. But then, nobody has come up
with a number for the Standard IAR compiler either, or the compiler more
expensive than IAR.
Price *is* a factor when choosing tools, there is no denying the fact.
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
> Well said Steve,
> John
I'm still intrigued by your statement that IAR is no longer the most
expensive MSP430 compiler in the market. So please, do tell more.
Nobody is denying the worth of good tools. But then, nobody has come up
with a number for the Standard IAR compiler either, or the compiler more
expensive than IAR.
Price *is* a factor when choosing tools, there is no denying the fact.
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
Reply by ●January 5, 20092009-01-05
Yup and in some corporate environments, the client wants to spend a lot
of up front money considering who they are trying to impress. I have
seen a lot of land rush startups drop big money in tool fees just to
make the investors happy to show they have capitalized their R&D properly.
There are different markets, different customers and different projects
at different price points. All comes down to who you want or can sell
to at a specific instant.
One time I was on an HC05 compiler project years ago and they refused my
first compiler PO since they said it was too cheap. I ended up the
PO'ing for the most expensive HC05 environment complete with in-circuit
emulator and software emulator, they went for it.
Steve
of up front money considering who they are trying to impress. I have
seen a lot of land rush startups drop big money in tool fees just to
make the investors happy to show they have capitalized their R&D properly.
There are different markets, different customers and different projects
at different price points. All comes down to who you want or can sell
to at a specific instant.
One time I was on an HC05 compiler project years ago and they refused my
first compiler PO since they said it was too cheap. I ended up the
PO'ing for the most expensive HC05 environment complete with in-circuit
emulator and software emulator, they went for it.
Steve
Reply by ●January 5, 20092009-01-05
>
> I'm still intrigued by your statement that IAR is no longer the most
> expensive MSP430 compiler in the market. So please, do tell more.
>
> Nobody is denying the worth of good tools. But then, nobody has come up
> with a number for the Standard IAR compiler either, or the compiler more
> expensive than IAR.
>
> Price *is* a factor when choosing tools, there is no denying the fact.
I thought it might be Green Hills - their compilers are expensive - but they
don't do one for the MSP430.
Leon
> I'm still intrigued by your statement that IAR is no longer the most
> expensive MSP430 compiler in the market. So please, do tell more.
>
> Nobody is denying the worth of good tools. But then, nobody has come up
> with a number for the Standard IAR compiler either, or the compiler more
> expensive than IAR.
>
> Price *is* a factor when choosing tools, there is no denying the fact.
I thought it might be Green Hills - their compilers are expensive - but they
don't do one for the MSP430.
Leon
