Hi All,
I am just wondering whether the (in)activity on this forum is a function of
MSP430 customers transitioning to non-MSP430 architectures, specifically ARM?
In days long gone, this group peaked at 1000 messages/month. Last month? 25
messages.
Or is it that you're all hanging out in TI's E2E neighbourhood, with
this group serving no useful purpose?
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Is the MSP430 a dead end
Started by ●June 28, 2013
Reply by ●June 28, 20132013-06-28
E2E may be the place to be but if you ask a question here you will still
get some replies. The archive on this group is nice, also.
On Jun 28, 2013 7:02 PM, "Paul Curtis" wrote:
> **
> Hi All,
>
> I am just wondering whether the (in)activity on this forum is a function
> of MSP430 customers transitioning to non-MSP430 architectures, specifically
> ARM?
>
> In days long gone, this group peaked at 1000 messages/month. Last month?
> 25 messages.
>
> Or is it that you're all hanging out in TI's E2E neighbourhood, with this
> group serving no useful purpose?
>
> --
> Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
get some replies. The archive on this group is nice, also.
On Jun 28, 2013 7:02 PM, "Paul Curtis" wrote:
> **
> Hi All,
>
> I am just wondering whether the (in)activity on this forum is a function
> of MSP430 customers transitioning to non-MSP430 architectures, specifically
> ARM?
>
> In days long gone, this group peaked at 1000 messages/month. Last month?
> 25 messages.
>
> Or is it that you're all hanging out in TI's E2E neighbourhood, with this
> group serving no useful purpose?
>
> --
> Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Reply by ●June 28, 20132013-06-28
Well I don't hang around in E2E, I find it a mess, a very visually
unpleasant site to use. I think it reflects a couple of things. Most
beginners with any sense will spot the E2E forums and gravitate there,
plus a lot of the long term users have either migrated away to other,
probably ARM architectures, or simply it is so well established now at
some 20 years for the MSP430 family and around 15 years for the flash
versions, that it is a well known to older users, and of little interest
to new users. lets face it if you were coming in fresh looking for a low
power micro would you bother looking at the old, expensive long in the
tooth and fairly slow MSP family, or one of the new, low power, low
price higher performance ARM parts?
I stay simply because I'm not a real big Energy Micros fan,. just too
damned clunky to set up the I/O, and now eaten by Silicon Labs, and
because nobody else gives me a still decently low power device in a 16
pin 4 x 4mm package with a decent peripheral mix, and to me at least,
size does matter. Probably it also is due in part to the fact that
circumstances have left me little opportunity to evaluate any of the
more recent parts well enough to be prepared to shift, although I have
just taken delivery of a couple of KL02Z dev boards which seem to solve
mys size, cost and power issues, but I'll have to wait and see.
Cheers
Al
On 29/06/2013 9:31 AM, Paul Curtis wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am just wondering whether the (in)activity on this forum is a function of MSP430 customers transitioning to non-MSP430 architectures, specifically ARM?
>
> In days long gone, this group peaked at 1000 messages/month. Last month? 25 messages.
>
> Or is it that you're all hanging out in TI's E2E neighbourhood, with this group serving no useful purpose?
>
> --
> Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
unpleasant site to use. I think it reflects a couple of things. Most
beginners with any sense will spot the E2E forums and gravitate there,
plus a lot of the long term users have either migrated away to other,
probably ARM architectures, or simply it is so well established now at
some 20 years for the MSP430 family and around 15 years for the flash
versions, that it is a well known to older users, and of little interest
to new users. lets face it if you were coming in fresh looking for a low
power micro would you bother looking at the old, expensive long in the
tooth and fairly slow MSP family, or one of the new, low power, low
price higher performance ARM parts?
I stay simply because I'm not a real big Energy Micros fan,. just too
damned clunky to set up the I/O, and now eaten by Silicon Labs, and
because nobody else gives me a still decently low power device in a 16
pin 4 x 4mm package with a decent peripheral mix, and to me at least,
size does matter. Probably it also is due in part to the fact that
circumstances have left me little opportunity to evaluate any of the
more recent parts well enough to be prepared to shift, although I have
just taken delivery of a couple of KL02Z dev boards which seem to solve
mys size, cost and power issues, but I'll have to wait and see.
Cheers
Al
On 29/06/2013 9:31 AM, Paul Curtis wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am just wondering whether the (in)activity on this forum is a function of MSP430 customers transitioning to non-MSP430 architectures, specifically ARM?
>
> In days long gone, this group peaked at 1000 messages/month. Last month? 25 messages.
>
> Or is it that you're all hanging out in TI's E2E neighbourhood, with this group serving no useful purpose?
>
> --
> Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Reply by ●June 29, 20132013-06-29
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Paul Curtis wrote:
> I am just wondering whether the (in)activity on this forum is a function of MSP430 customers transitioning to non-MSP430 architectures, specifically ARM?
I have noticed a drop in mailing list traffic across the board in the
past few years. Traffic on most of the non-technical mailing lists I
am on has all but disappeared. Traffic on most technical lists (on
quite a variety of topics) is all way down. Traffic on the PIClist is
down by just as much as this one. I really don't think you can take
mailing list traffic to mean anything.
Why the mailing list traffic is down is a more interesting question.
For social lists the answer is pretty clear: Tribe, Facebook, Twitter,
and the like. Many non-technical people are abandoning e-mail
altogether. For technical lists, the situation is a little different.
Stackexchange has taken some. Web forums have taken some, in this
case TI's E2E and 43oh.com. But my gut feeling is that doesn't fully
account for the drop.
In the amateur/hobbyist realm, the MSP430 has completely blown up
since the introduction of the MSP430 Launchpad about 2-1/2 years ago.
When I started with the MSP430 about 2 years ago, there was precious
little in the way of documentation on the web. There were only a
handful of videos on youtube. Now there is quite a bit of both, and a
rather vibrant amateur community has developed.
The MSP430 has developed a respectable open-source toolchain in as
many years with Daniel Beer's mspdebug and Peter Bigot's
uniarch/mspgcc. TI is funding RedHat to get MSP430 support rolled
into the main gcc distribution.
Of course, it is highly questionable whether the amateur and open
source communities have any real impact in the grander scheme of the
MSP430.
Nonetheless, I too wonder about the future of the MSP430. The MSP430
has always been somewhat of a niche chip for low power apps with a
relatively high price point. It is questionable how much of an
improvement Wolverine will provide in the real world. The Cortex M0+
does seem to be a real threat, but it remains to be seen whether the
peripherals that get bundled with it will actually be as suitable for
low power app development as the MSP430.
My guess is that most serious developers using the MSP430 are going to
keep using it as long as they can because it is such a nice chip to
work with. It is the new developers, the ones without MSP430
experience, that are probably the ones most likely to go the ARM
route.
-p.
> I am just wondering whether the (in)activity on this forum is a function of MSP430 customers transitioning to non-MSP430 architectures, specifically ARM?
I have noticed a drop in mailing list traffic across the board in the
past few years. Traffic on most of the non-technical mailing lists I
am on has all but disappeared. Traffic on most technical lists (on
quite a variety of topics) is all way down. Traffic on the PIClist is
down by just as much as this one. I really don't think you can take
mailing list traffic to mean anything.
Why the mailing list traffic is down is a more interesting question.
For social lists the answer is pretty clear: Tribe, Facebook, Twitter,
and the like. Many non-technical people are abandoning e-mail
altogether. For technical lists, the situation is a little different.
Stackexchange has taken some. Web forums have taken some, in this
case TI's E2E and 43oh.com. But my gut feeling is that doesn't fully
account for the drop.
In the amateur/hobbyist realm, the MSP430 has completely blown up
since the introduction of the MSP430 Launchpad about 2-1/2 years ago.
When I started with the MSP430 about 2 years ago, there was precious
little in the way of documentation on the web. There were only a
handful of videos on youtube. Now there is quite a bit of both, and a
rather vibrant amateur community has developed.
The MSP430 has developed a respectable open-source toolchain in as
many years with Daniel Beer's mspdebug and Peter Bigot's
uniarch/mspgcc. TI is funding RedHat to get MSP430 support rolled
into the main gcc distribution.
Of course, it is highly questionable whether the amateur and open
source communities have any real impact in the grander scheme of the
MSP430.
Nonetheless, I too wonder about the future of the MSP430. The MSP430
has always been somewhat of a niche chip for low power apps with a
relatively high price point. It is questionable how much of an
improvement Wolverine will provide in the real world. The Cortex M0+
does seem to be a real threat, but it remains to be seen whether the
peripherals that get bundled with it will actually be as suitable for
low power app development as the MSP430.
My guess is that most serious developers using the MSP430 are going to
keep using it as long as they can because it is such a nice chip to
work with. It is the new developers, the ones without MSP430
experience, that are probably the ones most likely to go the ARM
route.
-p.
Reply by ●June 29, 20132013-06-29
MSP430 is a stable platform, that's why most of answer which user want
is
already there.This is one of main reason for low traffic.
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Peter Johansson wrote:
> **
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Paul Curtis wrote:
>
> > I am just wondering whether the (in)activity on this forum is a function
> of MSP430 customers transitioning to non-MSP430 architectures, specifically
> ARM?
>
> I have noticed a drop in mailing list traffic across the board in the
> past few years. Traffic on most of the non-technical mailing lists I
> am on has all but disappeared. Traffic on most technical lists (on
> quite a variety of topics) is all way down. Traffic on the PIClist is
> down by just as much as this one. I really don't think you can take
> mailing list traffic to mean anything.
>
> Why the mailing list traffic is down is a more interesting question.
> For social lists the answer is pretty clear: Tribe, Facebook, Twitter,
> and the like. Many non-technical people are abandoning e-mail
> altogether. For technical lists, the situation is a little different.
> Stackexchange has taken some. Web forums have taken some, in this
> case TI's E2E and 43oh.com. But my gut feeling is that doesn't fully
> account for the drop.
>
> In the amateur/hobbyist realm, the MSP430 has completely blown up
> since the introduction of the MSP430 Launchpad about 2-1/2 years ago.
> When I started with the MSP430 about 2 years ago, there was precious
> little in the way of documentation on the web. There were only a
> handful of videos on youtube. Now there is quite a bit of both, and a
> rather vibrant amateur community has developed.
>
> The MSP430 has developed a respectable open-source toolchain in as
> many years with Daniel Beer's mspdebug and Peter Bigot's
> uniarch/mspgcc. TI is funding RedHat to get MSP430 support rolled
> into the main gcc distribution.
>
> Of course, it is highly questionable whether the amateur and open
> source communities have any real impact in the grander scheme of the
> MSP430.
>
> Nonetheless, I too wonder about the future of the MSP430. The MSP430
> has always been somewhat of a niche chip for low power apps with a
> relatively high price point. It is questionable how much of an
> improvement Wolverine will provide in the real world. The Cortex M0+
> does seem to be a real threat, but it remains to be seen whether the
> peripherals that get bundled with it will actually be as suitable for
> low power app development as the MSP430.
>
> My guess is that most serious developers using the MSP430 are going to
> keep using it as long as they can because it is such a nice chip to
> work with. It is the new developers, the ones without MSP430
> experience, that are probably the ones most likely to go the ARM
> route.
>
> -p.
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
already there.This is one of main reason for low traffic.
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Peter Johansson wrote:
> **
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Paul Curtis wrote:
>
> > I am just wondering whether the (in)activity on this forum is a function
> of MSP430 customers transitioning to non-MSP430 architectures, specifically
> ARM?
>
> I have noticed a drop in mailing list traffic across the board in the
> past few years. Traffic on most of the non-technical mailing lists I
> am on has all but disappeared. Traffic on most technical lists (on
> quite a variety of topics) is all way down. Traffic on the PIClist is
> down by just as much as this one. I really don't think you can take
> mailing list traffic to mean anything.
>
> Why the mailing list traffic is down is a more interesting question.
> For social lists the answer is pretty clear: Tribe, Facebook, Twitter,
> and the like. Many non-technical people are abandoning e-mail
> altogether. For technical lists, the situation is a little different.
> Stackexchange has taken some. Web forums have taken some, in this
> case TI's E2E and 43oh.com. But my gut feeling is that doesn't fully
> account for the drop.
>
> In the amateur/hobbyist realm, the MSP430 has completely blown up
> since the introduction of the MSP430 Launchpad about 2-1/2 years ago.
> When I started with the MSP430 about 2 years ago, there was precious
> little in the way of documentation on the web. There were only a
> handful of videos on youtube. Now there is quite a bit of both, and a
> rather vibrant amateur community has developed.
>
> The MSP430 has developed a respectable open-source toolchain in as
> many years with Daniel Beer's mspdebug and Peter Bigot's
> uniarch/mspgcc. TI is funding RedHat to get MSP430 support rolled
> into the main gcc distribution.
>
> Of course, it is highly questionable whether the amateur and open
> source communities have any real impact in the grander scheme of the
> MSP430.
>
> Nonetheless, I too wonder about the future of the MSP430. The MSP430
> has always been somewhat of a niche chip for low power apps with a
> relatively high price point. It is questionable how much of an
> improvement Wolverine will provide in the real world. The Cortex M0+
> does seem to be a real threat, but it remains to be seen whether the
> peripherals that get bundled with it will actually be as suitable for
> low power app development as the MSP430.
>
> My guess is that most serious developers using the MSP430 are going to
> keep using it as long as they can because it is such a nice chip to
> work with. It is the new developers, the ones without MSP430
> experience, that are probably the ones most likely to go the ARM
> route.
>
> -p.
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Reply by ●June 29, 20132013-06-29
Try investigating 4E4th ---- MSP430G2553-- a PDF on my site
www.sustainabilitymeasurement.com ------ giving insight into Data logging
applications ----- eg---- measurement of temperature using Maxim DS18B20 sensors
Regards
Andrew reid
Quoting Onestone :
> Well I don't hang around in E2E, I find it a mess, a very visually
> unpleasant site to use. I think it reflects a couple of things. Most
> beginners with any sense will spot the E2E forums and gravitate there,
> plus a lot of the long term users have either migrated away to other,
> probably ARM architectures, or simply it is so well established now at
> some 20 years for the MSP430 family and around 15 years for the flash
> versions, that it is a well known to older users, and of little interest
> to new users. lets face it if you were coming in fresh looking for a low
> power micro would you bother looking at the old, expensive long in the
> tooth and fairly slow MSP family, or one of the new, low power, low
> price higher performance ARM parts?
>
> I stay simply because I'm not a real big Energy Micros fan,. just too
> damned clunky to set up the I/O, and now eaten by Silicon Labs, and
> because nobody else gives me a still decently low power device in a 16
> pin 4 x 4mm package with a decent peripheral mix, and to me at least,
> size does matter. Probably it also is due in part to the fact that
> circumstances have left me little opportunity to evaluate any of the
> more recent parts well enough to be prepared to shift, although I have
> just taken delivery of a couple of KL02Z dev boards which seem to solve
> mys size, cost and power issues, but I'll have to wait and see.
>
> Cheers
>
> Al
>
> On 29/06/2013 9:31 AM, Paul Curtis wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I am just wondering whether the (in)activity on this forum is a function of
> MSP430 customers transitioning to non-MSP430 architectures, specifically
> ARM?
> >
> > In days long gone, this group peaked at 1000 messages/month. Last month?
> 25 messages.
> >
> > Or is it that you're all hanging out in TI's E2E neighbourhood, with this
> group serving no useful purpose?
> >
> > --
> > Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> > SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
www.sustainabilitymeasurement.com ------ giving insight into Data logging
applications ----- eg---- measurement of temperature using Maxim DS18B20 sensors
Regards
Andrew reid
Quoting Onestone :
> Well I don't hang around in E2E, I find it a mess, a very visually
> unpleasant site to use. I think it reflects a couple of things. Most
> beginners with any sense will spot the E2E forums and gravitate there,
> plus a lot of the long term users have either migrated away to other,
> probably ARM architectures, or simply it is so well established now at
> some 20 years for the MSP430 family and around 15 years for the flash
> versions, that it is a well known to older users, and of little interest
> to new users. lets face it if you were coming in fresh looking for a low
> power micro would you bother looking at the old, expensive long in the
> tooth and fairly slow MSP family, or one of the new, low power, low
> price higher performance ARM parts?
>
> I stay simply because I'm not a real big Energy Micros fan,. just too
> damned clunky to set up the I/O, and now eaten by Silicon Labs, and
> because nobody else gives me a still decently low power device in a 16
> pin 4 x 4mm package with a decent peripheral mix, and to me at least,
> size does matter. Probably it also is due in part to the fact that
> circumstances have left me little opportunity to evaluate any of the
> more recent parts well enough to be prepared to shift, although I have
> just taken delivery of a couple of KL02Z dev boards which seem to solve
> mys size, cost and power issues, but I'll have to wait and see.
>
> Cheers
>
> Al
>
> On 29/06/2013 9:31 AM, Paul Curtis wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I am just wondering whether the (in)activity on this forum is a function of
> MSP430 customers transitioning to non-MSP430 architectures, specifically
> ARM?
> >
> > In days long gone, this group peaked at 1000 messages/month. Last month?
> 25 messages.
> >
> > Or is it that you're all hanging out in TI's E2E neighbourhood, with this
> group serving no useful purpose?
> >
> > --
> > Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> > SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Reply by ●June 29, 20132013-06-29
From: m... [m...] On Behalf Of Peter Johansson [r...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:11 PM
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Paul Curtis wrote:
> I am just wondering whether the (in)activity on this forum is a function of MSP430 customers transitioning to non-MSP430 architectures, specifically ARM?
... It is the new developers, the ones without MSP430
experience, that are probably the ones most likely to go the ARM
route.
-p.
It is also the new developers which are most likely to start new threads.
Emmett
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:11 PM
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Paul Curtis wrote:
> I am just wondering whether the (in)activity on this forum is a function of MSP430 customers transitioning to non-MSP430 architectures, specifically ARM?
... It is the new developers, the ones without MSP430
experience, that are probably the ones most likely to go the ARM
route.
-p.
It is also the new developers which are most likely to start new threads.
Emmett
Reply by ●June 30, 20132013-06-30
Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people think to
look for information.
I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use of MSP430 processors.
I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use of MSP430 processors.
Reply by ●July 1, 20132013-07-01
"Kaiser442" :
> Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people think
> to look for information.
>
> I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use of
> MSP430 processors.
The web-yahoo platform is as worse as the E2E platform from TI, only the few
people - that managed to set up the mailing list feature of the yahoo group -
are still here (I think) :-). I also see the drop down in mailing list (and
usenet newsgroups) traffik: Reasons are mostly: people go to the web forums;
many questions are answered in wikis (and web forums) - so no need to ask a
question - and in case your are googling for a MSP430 related problem - you
get a link to these web-forums, not to this mailing list. As a new user - you
will probaly enter this web forums instead of this group and ask there the
questions.
I will only switch to ARM in case I need >128MB RAM; still too power hungry
and big that beasts :-). Energy micro chips are not as nice as it would
expect (I fully agree to Al's comments). The MSP3430's are a nice chip
family; however - today you have much more low power chips to choose from...
Things change: what I see is now are the "Makers". People that like to create
things - many of them are having a RepRap (3D printer), use ready made
electronic modules (Arduino, Raspberrypie) and live in the new communities
(facebook and co). It is a new kind of movement I think - not like us old
hackers - with secret spartanic lists and only 2k RAM. :-)
M.
> Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people think
> to look for information.
>
> I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use of
> MSP430 processors.
The web-yahoo platform is as worse as the E2E platform from TI, only the few
people - that managed to set up the mailing list feature of the yahoo group -
are still here (I think) :-). I also see the drop down in mailing list (and
usenet newsgroups) traffik: Reasons are mostly: people go to the web forums;
many questions are answered in wikis (and web forums) - so no need to ask a
question - and in case your are googling for a MSP430 related problem - you
get a link to these web-forums, not to this mailing list. As a new user - you
will probaly enter this web forums instead of this group and ask there the
questions.
I will only switch to ARM in case I need >128MB RAM; still too power hungry
and big that beasts :-). Energy micro chips are not as nice as it would
expect (I fully agree to Al's comments). The MSP3430's are a nice chip
family; however - today you have much more low power chips to choose from...
Things change: what I see is now are the "Makers". People that like to create
things - many of them are having a RepRap (3D printer), use ready made
electronic modules (Arduino, Raspberrypie) and live in the new communities
(facebook and co). It is a new kind of movement I think - not like us old
hackers - with secret spartanic lists and only 2k RAM. :-)
M.
Reply by ●July 1, 20132013-07-01
2K of RAM, sheer luxury Lad, when I wus a yung lad the only RAM we'uns
'ad ...
Sorry, memories of Monty Python got the better of me for a moment there!
Al
On 1/07/2013 5:10 PM, Matthias Weingart wrote:
> "Kaiser442" :
>
>> Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people think
>> to look for information.
>>
>> I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use of
>> MSP430 processors.
> The web-yahoo platform is as worse as the E2E platform from TI, only the few
> people - that managed to set up the mailing list feature of the yahoo group -
> are still here (I think) :-). I also see the drop down in mailing list (and
> usenet newsgroups) traffik: Reasons are mostly: people go to the web forums;
> many questions are answered in wikis (and web forums) - so no need to ask a
> question - and in case your are googling for a MSP430 related problem - you
> get a link to these web-forums, not to this mailing list. As a new user - you
> will probaly enter this web forums instead of this group and ask there the
> questions.
> I will only switch to ARM in case I need >128MB RAM; still too power hungry
> and big that beasts :-). Energy micro chips are not as nice as it would
> expect (I fully agree to Al's comments). The MSP3430's are a nice chip
> family; however - today you have much more low power chips to choose from...
>
> Things change: what I see is now are the "Makers". People that like to create
> things - many of them are having a RepRap (3D printer), use ready made
> electronic modules (Arduino, Raspberrypie) and live in the new communities
> (facebook and co). It is a new kind of movement I think - not like us old
> hackers - with secret spartanic lists and only 2k RAM. :-)
>
> M.
>
>
'ad ...
Sorry, memories of Monty Python got the better of me for a moment there!
Al
On 1/07/2013 5:10 PM, Matthias Weingart wrote:
> "Kaiser442" :
>
>> Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people think
>> to look for information.
>>
>> I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use of
>> MSP430 processors.
> The web-yahoo platform is as worse as the E2E platform from TI, only the few
> people - that managed to set up the mailing list feature of the yahoo group -
> are still here (I think) :-). I also see the drop down in mailing list (and
> usenet newsgroups) traffik: Reasons are mostly: people go to the web forums;
> many questions are answered in wikis (and web forums) - so no need to ask a
> question - and in case your are googling for a MSP430 related problem - you
> get a link to these web-forums, not to this mailing list. As a new user - you
> will probaly enter this web forums instead of this group and ask there the
> questions.
> I will only switch to ARM in case I need >128MB RAM; still too power hungry
> and big that beasts :-). Energy micro chips are not as nice as it would
> expect (I fully agree to Al's comments). The MSP3430's are a nice chip
> family; however - today you have much more low power chips to choose from...
>
> Things change: what I see is now are the "Makers". People that like to create
> things - many of them are having a RepRap (3D printer), use ready made
> electronic modules (Arduino, Raspberrypie) and live in the new communities
> (facebook and co). It is a new kind of movement I think - not like us old
> hackers - with secret spartanic lists and only 2k RAM. :-)
>
> M.
>
>
