Schematic & Board design

Started by Martijn Broens June 18, 2004
Hi,
 
I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
requirements 
 
thanks Martijn.
 





Beginning Microcontrollers with the MSP430

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martijn Broens" <m.t.j.broens@m.t....>
To: <msp430@msp4...>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:13 AM
Subject: [msp430] Schematic & Board design


> Hi,
>
> I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
> schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
> UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
> them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
> about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
> requirements

Pulsonix is excellent, download a working demo and try it:

http://www.pulsonix.com

They will give you a 30 day licence if you want to evaluate it fully.

I've been beta-testing the new Version 3.1 which is about to be released.
It's got some superb new stuff in it.

Pulsonix will import Eagle designs, as well as OrCAD, Protel, etc.

Leon


For my own designs I use a 1989 (the last official version) of Vanguard 
EDA from Teradyne Systems. It was designed for DOS in the 386 era. 
Whoever wrote it knew their stuff. The autorouter (which I don't use) 
beats protel 98 by a country mile. The extended memory manager (for 
those who remember 640k limits) has never crashed on me. It was written 
as an open architecture with full manuals on every data type, so over 
the years it has been totally customised. It came without a flood fill, 
no problem, I wrote one in C. It had a simple, but effective macro 
language, but couldn't alpha step, again I wrote the routines. There is 
now more of my own software running functions than came with the 
original code, but it literally does everything I want, at blazing 
speed. Its only downsides are the designers didn't conceive hard drives 
beyond C: and 30Mb, it will cope with more, within the 16 bit file 
system limits  but doesn't handle 32 bit file formats. It also can only 
use up to 64Mb of memory, and is restricted to 800 x 600 graphics, but 
it can do a 30x30" PCB in 8Mb, the rest is just icing on the cake. I'm 
probably the last Vanguard user in the world, so customers prefer to 
have their documents in something more modern.

I run it from a dedicated ZIP disc in 16 bit format, using a DOS boot 
disc, and setting the zip drive to C:. I have around 80,000 parts in my 
library, more than 400 schematics, and around 8,000 PCB's in various 
versions. I still have plenty of space left on the zip drive. Of course 
even zip drives are getting a bit old now, so, one day, I'll have to 
ditch it, but until something else as flexible and powerful comes along 
I'd rather use it than any commercial program.

For commercial work I use Protel 98, bought in 99 ;@}. I've trialled 99, 
but don't like the way it forces itself on you with regards to projects, 
and file management. From what I've seen the latest versions are even 
worse for this, although I haven't yet had time to try the very latest, 
but hope to sometime soon. Biggest problem I have with Protel, and most 
current CAD packages is they are not only expensive, but for all you pay 
you don't get a decent hardcopy manual, and they don't permit third 
party books. Vanguard came with some 20 or so manuals, all very well 
written. The help files with 99 were less than useful, as is usually the 
case. I will probably stay with 98 until I can find a decent package 
with hard copy manuals and third party manuals, if I do any more 
commercial work for third parties, and do my own stuff in Vanguard 
still. I know I could print a manual, but why should I shell out close 
to $10k then have to pay to print the books. Anyway most now just come 
with HELP(less ) files.

Cheers

Al

Martijn Broens wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
> schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
> UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
> them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
> about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
> requirements 
>  
> thanks Martijn.
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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You may want to evaluate the OrCAD Capture program for creating
electronic designs.
It is very easy to use and has good support in the electronics industry.
This program appears to be the industry standard for schematic creation
and distribution.
 
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From: Martijn Broens [mailto:m.t.j.broens@m.t....] 
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:14 AM
To: msp430@msp4...
Subject: [msp430] Schematic & Board design
 
Hi,

I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
requirements 

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I use SuperCAD and SuperPCB from www.mentala.com and have been very pleased
with it and the little support I needed.
--
Veronica Merryfield, somewhere in Cambridgeshire, UK




----- Original Message -----
From: "Martijn Broens" <m.t.j.broens@m.t....>
To: <msp430@msp4...>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:13 AM
Subject: [msp430] Schematic & Board design


> Hi,
>
> I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
> schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
> UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
> them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
> about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
> requirements
>
> thanks Martijn.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


--- Leonard Braun <lbraun@lbra...> escribi > You
may want to evaluate the OrCAD Capture program
> for creating
> electronic designs.
> It is very easy to use and has good support in the
> electronics industry.
> This program appears to be the industry standard for
> schematic creation
> and distribution.
>  

I also use OrCAD and it's very good, but stilll I'm
looking for an easier to use program. Or shal I find
better footprints sources? Anyways, you can download a
demo version from the Webpage.


	
	
		
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Just in case anyone is interested and did not know, TI
has schematic symbols and footprints for most of their
components on the web. They are available for various
CAD packages including OrCAD.

-Sumukh

--- Mario Lopez <linked82@link...> wrote:
> looking for an easier to use program. Or shal I
find
> better footprints sources? Anyways, you can download


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Sumukh Pathare
Email: sumukh@sumu...
Phone: 781-856-2054
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Orcad Layout comes with many Footprints for commonly used IC's and Discrete
Components.
It is also easy to create new Footprints if you need too.
There are third party suppliers who sell ready to use Footprints Packages for
Orcad Layout.
As I recall some semiconductor vendors provide Orcad Footprints for their parts
at their Web Sites.
 
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From: Mario Lopez [mailto:linked82@link...] 
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 3:09 PM
To: msp430@msp4...
Subject: RE: [msp430] Schematic & Board design
 
--- Leonard Braun <lbraun@lbra...> escribi > You
may want to evaluate the OrCAD Capture program
> for creating
> electronic designs.
> It is very easy to use and has good support in the
> electronics industry.
> This program appears to be the industry standard for
> schematic creation
> and distribution.
>  

I also use OrCAD and it's very good, but stilll I'm
looking for an easier to use program. Or shal I find
better footprints sources? Anyways, you can download a
demo version from the Webpage.


      
      
            
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:13:39 +0200, you wrote:

>Hi,
> 
>I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
>schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
>UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
>them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
>about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
>requirements 
> 
>thanks Martijn.

Terry Pinnell, a regular contributor to sci.electronics.design, has compiled
a list of descriptions of eda programs at

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/terrypin/ECADList.html

I've used SmartWorks in 1986, Protel DOS, CircuitMaker/TraxMaker, Orcad, 
Protel 98 (not for long), and currently 99SE.

CircuitMaker/TraxMaker was pretty good, with a built-in Berkley SPICE program
that worked pretty well. I didn't like the library component builder, nor the
schematic
sheet environment that came with it. I purchased it in 2000 for a company that I
was
contracting to, for about AU$600, all up I think.

I've been using Protel 99SE both professionally and for my own designs for the
past 4 years, and yes, onestone is correct, the documentation leaves much to be
desired. Considering that it is one of the most popular professional EDA
programs 
used worldwide, one would think that Protel (I refuse to use their new name
Alt**m)
would allow third-parties to publish books detailing the uses of the program. 
Particularly how to manage library components and cross-link them to the
company's
internal component/production database(s). I understand the newer version of DXP
has this facility. I hope they've fixed the memory management in DXP, because
99SE
crashes occasionally, and is a memory hog. Get as much as you can afford, then
double it.


I use and recommend PCAD 2002. They have a new release coming out soon
which
looks awesome.  PCAD used to be called ACCEL for those who recall that.  At
about $6000 it is a bit pricey for many but it really works well.  It blows
the doors off more expensive programs like Mentor's Veribest ($25K per seat)
for example.  I personally like PCAD better than ORCAD but they are priced
similar and work similarly. 

PCAD has a 30-day trial available for download I believe.

--> Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Martijn Broens [mailto:m.t.j.broens@m.t....]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:14 AM
To: msp430@msp4...
Subject: [msp430] Schematic & Board design


Hi,
 
I was wondering which sw packages others use for creating they're
schematic and board designs. I use Electronics Workbench UltiCap and
UltiBoard but I'm not happy with these nor the company that supports
them. I've also done some projects with eagle but basically I'm curious
about what others use and if there's a tool that would suite my
requirements 
 
thanks Martijn.
 







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