Witch Programmer?

Started by sjhartley98 July 31, 2003
Trying to break into PICs, Have the Myke Predko book. Is the El
Cheapo a good starting Programmer or should I Purchase the PICstart?

Also are there any other good PIC books out there?

Thanks
Steve



I think you'll find most people split down the midle. If you already have the board for the El Cheapo might as well use that. If the PICStart has anything on it you need (not sure about the model but any type of In Circuit Debugging or a LCD display for prototyping) and you have the extra money go for the PICStart. Also decide what device you want to use and make sure whatever programmer you choose supports it. I recommend 16F877A or something on the upper end. Anything but the older stuff.. 16F84, etc.
 
Charles
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Trying to break into PICs,  Have the Myke Predko book.  Is the El
Cheapo a good starting Programmer or should I Purchase the PICstart?

Also are there any other good PIC books out there?

Thanks
Steve



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> Trying to break into PICs, Have the Myke Predko book. Is the El
> Cheapo a good starting Programmer

There were many posts on this programmer on the MIT piclist. It did not
give me a good feeling.

> or should I Purchase the PICstart?

Don't jump so fast, there are many more options! Check the ic-prog and
pony-prog websites, they describe numerous DIY programmers. I sell the
Wisp628 kit for less than $30. There is Warp-13 at some $100.

> Also are there any other good PIC books out there?

As books go I think this is one of the best. But you will still need to
read the datasheets. And again, and again. And maybe my 'start with
PICS' at http://www.voti.nl/swp.

Wouter van Ooijen

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consultancy, development, PICmicro products



If you're going to build the el cheapo, save yourself some time and
make sure you can actually install the software to your machine. I
made the mistake of building the programmer and then discovering that
I couldn't even get the software to install on a W2K machine... I
even tried 3 different ones and a Windows ME machine! Myke won't
help you solve your problems so that's why it is important to see if
you can even use the software first.

Anyone know what alternative uses an assembled el cheapo might have?
I don't think it is heavy enough to use as a paper weight, but I've
got my eye on that table with the uneven legs...

--
Matt

--- In , "Charles Douvier" <charles@k...>
wrote:
> I think you'll find most people split down the midle. If you
already have
> the board for the El Cheapo might as well use that. If the PICStart
has
> anything on it you need (not sure about the model but any type of
In Circuit
> Debugging or a LCD display for prototyping) and you have the extra
money go
> for the PICStart. Also decide what device you want to use and make
sure
> whatever programmer you choose supports it. I recommend 16F877A or
something
> on the upper end. Anything but the older stuff.. 16F84, etc.
>
> Charles
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sjhartley98 [mailto:MM1.STEPHEN.HARTLEY@f...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:00 AM
> To:
> Subject: [piclist] Witch Programmer? > Trying to break into PICs, Have the Myke Predko book. Is the El
> Cheapo a good starting Programmer or should I Purchase the
PICstart?
>
> Also are there any other good PIC books out there?
>
> Thanks
> Steve >
>
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--- In , "Matt" <mws715@y...> wrote:
> If you're going to build the el cheapo, save yourself some time
and
> make sure you can actually install the software to your machine.
I
> made the mistake of building the programmer and then discovering
that
> I couldn't even get the software to install on a W2K machine... I
> even tried 3 different ones and a Windows ME machine! Myke won't
> help you solve your problems so that's why it is important to see
if
> you can even use the software first.
>
> Anyone know what alternative uses an assembled el cheapo might
have?
> I don't think it is heavy enough to use as a paper weight, but
I've
> got my eye on that table with the uneven legs...
>
> --
> Matt
>
> --- In , "Charles Douvier" <charles@k...>
> wrote:
> > I think you'll find most people split down the midle. If you
> already have
> > the board for the El Cheapo might as well use that. If the
PICStart
> has
> > anything on it you need (not sure about the model but any type
of
> In Circuit
> > Debugging or a LCD display for prototyping) and you have the
extra
> money go
> > for the PICStart. Also decide what device you want to use and
make
> sure
> > whatever programmer you choose supports it. I recommend 16F877A
or
> something
> > on the upper end. Anything but the older stuff.. 16F84, etc.
> >
> > Charles
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sjhartley98 [mailto:MM1.STEPHEN.HARTLEY@f...]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:00 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: [piclist] Witch Programmer?
> >
> >
> > Trying to break into PICs, Have the Myke Predko book. Is the
El
> > Cheapo a good starting Programmer or should I Purchase the
> PICstart?
> >
> > Also are there any other good PIC books out there?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the
> > instructions
> >
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> Service.

The software will work under win2k as long as you install
this: http://www.myke.com/code/port95nt.exe
first. I had the same prob



Why do you want to program a witch?

8^P




At 01/08/2003 01:48, you wrote:

>Why do you want to program a witch?

It took long enough!

I would have thought the answer was Blairly obvious?
Hmm.
I'm going back to sleep!

Rv!

"No one knows what he can do until he tries."Publilius Syrus


--- In , "sjhartley98"
<MM1.STEPHEN.HARTLEY@f...> wrote:
> Trying to break into PICs, Have the Myke Predko book. Is the El
> Cheapo a good starting Programmer or should I Purchase the
PICstart?
>
> Also are there any other good PIC books out there?
>
> Thanks
> Steve

Built it (El Cheapo), debugged it and got it working on a Pentium
running at 120 mHz (spare computer built from junk parts) & a
Pentium MMX @ 266 mHz just fine(Windows 95). Tried to use it on a
667 mHz Celeron running Windows ME, took a while but finally got it
to work, but then it wouldn't work on the previous 2 computers, nor
another Celeron based system running Windows ME.

I have to give Myke credit for trying to supply a design for a
cheap, simple programmer, but there are way to many different combos
of parallel ports, operating systems, and processor speeds to
contend with.

Even though I, myself still use a classic Tait style programmer
(home built on perf board for about $5 USD) that I have successfully
used on all the above mentioned PCs and a 25 mHz 486 based laptop, I
honestly believe a serial based programmer (If it is designed
properly) is the best route to choose. I have heard good things
about Wouter's xwisp, and if I were not to lazy to download Python,
I might even build one myself.

Mike


Wouter van Ooijen wrote:

> > Trying to break into PICs, Have the Myke Predko book. Is the El
> > Cheapo a good starting Programmer
>
> There were many posts on this programmer on the MIT piclist. It did not
> give me a good feeling.
>
> > or should I Purchase the PICstart?
>
> Don't jump so fast, there are many more options! Check the ic-prog and
> pony-prog websites, they describe numerous DIY programmers. I sell the
> Wisp628 kit for less than $30. There is Warp-13 at some $100.
>
> > Also are there any other good PIC books out there?
>
> As books go I think this is one of the best. But you will still need to
> read the datasheets. And again, and again. And maybe my 'start with
> PICS' at http://www.voti.nl/swp.
>
> Wouter van Ooijen
>
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> consultancy, development, PICmicro products >
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Check Predko's web site before you build the El Cheapo. The circuit has been changed (parts deleted) and there's an
update for the software.
The only problem I had was the output voltage from my parallel port was too low. Installed a cheap, old card and it
worked.



> The software will work under win2k as long as you install
> this: http://www.myke.com/code/port95nt.exe
> first. I had the same prob

No, I've tried that and still didn't work for me. There are some
notes on the piclist archive about this and I recall reading about a
procedure to get around the install problem. Wasn't very elegant,
though.

What kind of PC were you able to install to? I tried several Dells
and a HP.

--
Matt