BASIC advice...

Started by clayforge September 4, 2003
I am looking for input on which BASIC compiler to get to program
PICs. I have it narrowed down to PicBASIC Pro, and Celestial
Horizons CH Flash Basic. While I know that PicBasic Pro will work
with more types of chips, I will really only be using the 16's, so
that is not a real issue. Is there ANYTHING that would justify the
purchase of PicBasic Pro over the CH Flash Basic, considering that
Pro costs more than double the CH Flash? Thanks for all input,
advice, and suggestions!

Scott




When you did your search for pic basics where did you look?

CH Flash Basic is a very basic system with a dificult front end and
very limited pic support. What happens when you want to program for
the 18 series?

Pbpro is not bad but old hat now its been years since any decent
upgrades have been added.

If you want the ultimate in Pic Basics you have to go for Proton+
http://www.crownhill.co.uk/proton_comparison.php

The feature least for the product is to big to list here. but for
starters

8 16 and 32 bit vars
Floating point support (proper)
Glcd support
Proper data handling

Tim --- In , "clayforge" <festave@t...> wrote:
> I am looking for input on which BASIC compiler to get to program
> PICs. I have it narrowed down to PicBASIC Pro, and Celestial
> Horizons CH Flash Basic. While I know that PicBasic Pro will work
> with more types of chips, I will really only be using the 16's, so
> that is not a real issue. Is there ANYTHING that would justify
the
> purchase of PicBasic Pro over the CH Flash Basic, considering that
> Pro costs more than double the CH Flash? Thanks for all input,
> advice, and suggestions!
>
> Scott


Hi Scott,

Have you seen the XCSB compiler at http://www.xcprod.com/titan/XCSB ?

Regards
Sergio Masci ----- Original Message -----
From: clayforge <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:50 AM
Subject: [piclist] BASIC advice... > I am looking for input on which BASIC compiler to get to program
> PICs. I have it narrowed down to PicBASIC Pro, and Celestial
> Horizons CH Flash Basic. While I know that PicBasic Pro will work
> with more types of chips, I will really only be using the 16's, so
> that is not a real issue. Is there ANYTHING that would justify the
> purchase of PicBasic Pro over the CH Flash Basic, considering that
> Pro costs more than double the CH Flash? Thanks for all input,
> advice, and suggestions!
>
> Scott



Have you Looked at Proton+ it knocks all picbasic's into a cocked
hat.

http://www.crownhill.co.uk/proton_comparison.php

No other basic comes near it for funtionality and device support.
Its a good price too 125.

Tim

--- In , "clayforge" <festave@t...> wrote:
> I am looking for input on which BASIC compiler to get to program
> PICs. I have it narrowed down to PicBASIC Pro, and Celestial
> Horizons CH Flash Basic. While I know that PicBasic Pro will work
> with more types of chips, I will really only be using the 16's, so
> that is not a real issue. Is there ANYTHING that would justify
the
> purchase of PicBasic Pro over the CH Flash Basic, considering that
> Pro costs more than double the CH Flash? Thanks for all input,
> advice, and suggestions!
>
> Scott





Scott

Don't forget to Look at Proton+

http://www.crownhill.co.uk/proton_comparison.php

Tim

--- In , "clayforge" <festave@t...> wrote:
> I am looking for input on which BASIC compiler to get to program
> PICs. I have it narrowed down to PicBASIC Pro, and Celestial
> Horizons CH Flash Basic. While I know that PicBasic Pro will work
> with more types of chips, I will really only be using the 16's, so
> that is not a real issue. Is there ANYTHING that would justify
the
> purchase of PicBasic Pro over the CH Flash Basic, considering that
> Pro costs more than double the CH Flash? Thanks for all input,
> advice, and suggestions!
>
> Scott





As I have been unable to post a reply to the original message. I
will try here. Scott

Have a look at Proton+
http://www.crownhill.co.uk/proton_comparison.php

Tim


Very Very sorry for the multiple posts. Every body

Tim --- In , "xob_jt" <tim@t...> wrote:
>
> Have you Looked at Proton+ it knocks all picbasic's into a cocked
> hat.
>
> http://www.crownhill.co.uk/proton_comparison.php
>
> No other basic comes near it for funtionality and device support.
> Its a good price too 125.
>
> Tim >
>
> --- In , "clayforge" <festave@t...> wrote:
> > I am looking for input on which BASIC compiler to get to program
> > PICs. I have it narrowed down to PicBASIC Pro, and Celestial
> > Horizons CH Flash Basic. While I know that PicBasic Pro will
work
> > with more types of chips, I will really only be using the 16's,
so
> > that is not a real issue. Is there ANYTHING that would justify
> the
> > purchase of PicBasic Pro over the CH Flash Basic, considering
that
> > Pro costs more than double the CH Flash? Thanks for all input,
> > advice, and suggestions!
> >
> > Scott




Hi
 
I tried installing the Proton std and Proton+ with XP but only the installer runs and then nothing.  Has anyone had this happen?
 
regards
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: xob_jt
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 7:01 AM
Subject: [piclist] Re: BASIC advice...


Have you Looked at Proton+ it knocks all picbasic's into a cocked
hat.

http://www.crownhill.co.uk/proton_comparison.php

No other basic comes near it for funtionality and device support.
Its a good price too 125.

Tim

--- In p...@yahoogroups.com, "clayforge" <festave@t...> wrote:
> I am looking for input on which BASIC compiler to get to program
> PICs.  I have it narrowed down to PicBASIC Pro, and Celestial
> Horizons CH Flash Basic.  While I know that PicBasic Pro will work
> with more types of chips, I will really only be using the 16's, so
> that is not a real issue.  Is there ANYTHING that would justify
the
> purchase of PicBasic Pro over the CH Flash Basic, considering that
> Pro costs more than double the CH Flash?  Thanks for all input,
> advice, and suggestions!
>
> Scott



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I have PicBasic Pro, and have been using it off and on for a few
years, and have recently downloaded the trial version of CH Flash.
Here are my 2 bits, in a nutshell: the CH Flash compiler doesn't
match the professional useability or maturaty of the PicBAsic Pro
compiler. You get what you pay for. CHF is good if you want to learn
PIC assembly. PBP is good if you want to develop useable PIC code.

More details: The CHF compiler is not too user friendly, and the
online help manual is (even) much worse than the PBP manual. An
online search for CHF sample programs results in VERY few resources,
with only 17 basic examples on their own web site. PBP help is
abundant--including probably over 100 programs just on the MELabs
site. (By the way, I bought mine from www.rentron.com ...bruce has
ALWAYS been very helpful with excellent tech support, and you might
find a slightly cheaper site, but I doubt you'll find better
support.) There is also a PBP email list that is far more active than
this group.

CHF has crashed on me at least three times in the first half hour I
used it. It also hangs regularly with XP. CHF is designed more for
learning assembler, and isn't user friendly when it comes to actually
entering in the program--you have to click buttons instead of typing
in the command, and often the dialog boxes that pop up aren't
explained well in the help. Some have complained that PBP requires a
third party editer. To that, I say--SO WHAT!!! Using the free
MicroCode Studio, you can't tell they aren't just one program. The MC
Studio Plus is even better, with great debugging capabilities. MCS
and MCS+ both have context sensitive highlighting and coloring of
text. They also allow you to quick jump to a variable declaration or
a label, which is handy in large programs.

While it's true that CHF has procedures and allows you to pass
values...if you look at the code produced, you can do it manually
with PBP. (i.e. instead of CHF's "Call Procedure_1 (x, y)", you use
three lines that amount to "Proc_1_A = X : Proc_1_B = Y : Gosub
Procedure_1") The compiled code is nearly identical. Also, CHF has
float capability. PBP does, too...but you have to port in some
assembly code to do so...and the samples are on their web site.

The bottom line: If you need to save money, and want to learn
assembly for PIC's, and don't mind spending extra time, go with the
CHF. If you want to get programming quickly with compact and robust
code, regular (and useful) upgrades at reasonable prices ($10), go
with PicBasic Pro.

Cliff --- In , "clayforge" <festave@t...> wrote:
> I am looking for input on which BASIC compiler to get to program
> PICs. I have it narrowed down to PicBASIC Pro, and Celestial
> Horizons CH Flash Basic. While I know that PicBasic Pro will work
> with more types of chips, I will really only be using the 16's, so
> that is not a real issue. Is there ANYTHING that would justify the
> purchase of PicBasic Pro over the CH Flash Basic, considering that
> Pro costs more than double the CH Flash? Thanks for all input,
> advice, and suggestions!
>
> Scott






Martin

I run the full version under XP and have also instaled the Demo
under XP. I have also just re-instaled it to ensure it's OK and it
all worked.

Try again. You will not be sorry! Don't forget to spend some time
looking at the help file you really cannot appreciate the full power
of the compiler with out checking it out.

If you still have trouble contact me and I will do my utmost to sort
it.

Tim --- In , "martin de lange" <de_lange@x> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I tried installing the Proton std and Proton+ with XP but only the
installer runs and then nothing. Has anyone had this happen?
>
> regards
> Martin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: xob_jt
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 7:01 AM
> Subject: [piclist] Re: BASIC advice... >
> Have you Looked at Proton+ it knocks all picbasic's into a
cocked
> hat.
>
> http://www.crownhill.co.uk/proton_comparison.php
>
> No other basic comes near it for funtionality and device
support.
> Its a good price too 125.
>
> Tim >
>
> --- In , "clayforge" <festave@t...> wrote:
> > I am looking for input on which BASIC compiler to get to
program
> > PICs. I have it narrowed down to PicBASIC Pro, and Celestial
> > Horizons CH Flash Basic. While I know that PicBasic Pro will
work
> > with more types of chips, I will really only be using the
16's, so
> > that is not a real issue. Is there ANYTHING that would
justify
> the
> > purchase of PicBasic Pro over the CH Flash Basic, considering
that
> > Pro costs more than double the CH Flash? Thanks for all
input,
> > advice, and suggestions!
> >
> > Scott >
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