18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD?

Started by Fredrik Krook January 17, 2004
Hi!
 
Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it has to bee ready to send to manufacture by next week... :/
 
Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library since 2002 on Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none...
 
//Fredrik



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Fredrik Krook" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:03 PM
Subject: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE
PCB-CAD? Hi!

Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it has to bee ready to
send to manufacture by next week... :/

Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library since 2002 on
Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none...

It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like that
with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with Protel.
Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin names
as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols.

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM
Email:
My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system:
http://webspace.webring.com/people/jl/leon_heller//lpc2104.html




Hmm... My skills in making new components and place them in a library arnt
that good... Iv tried but the result is bad....

My question was if someone had these allready made...

//Fredrik
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leon Heller" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE
PCB-CAD? >
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fredrik Krook" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:03 PM
> Subject: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE
> PCB-CAD? > Hi!
>
> Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it has to bee ready to
> send to manufacture by next week... :/
>
> Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library since 2002 on
> Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none...
>
> It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like
that
> with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with
Protel.
> Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin
names
> as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols.
>
> Leon
> --
> Leon Heller, G1HSM
> Email:
> My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system:
> http://webspace.webring.com/people/jl/leon_heller//lpc2104.html
>
> to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the
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Hi,

Making new symbols and footprints in Protel is easy once you're OK with the
basics of the editor. I have a custom library where I add all the footprints
and schematic symbols that I create, so they're all in one place and easily
found.

If you have the footprint drawings in the Microchip datasheet, just create a
pad which is a bit larger than the PIC's pins - I usually make them a bit
"longer" so that they are easier to solder by hand if you need to. Start
with pin number 1 - just add the pad in the footprint editor. Double-click
on it, you can change the size and position - make the position of pin 1
zero in both X and Y. That way, you can refer to the drawings' dimension
lines and work out all the other pin positions from there on. There is also
a tool to create an array of pins, which also lets you re-number them as
they are created - make use of it, but bear in mind that the pin that you
make the array from will also be duplicated, so for example, if you array
pin 1, you'll have two pin 1s superimposed, just delete one of them.

Once you have the footprint, you can create the schematic symbol. Just
number each pin you draw the same as the pin on the footprint, add the saved
footprint's name to the symbol's footprint list, save all and you're done.

Good luck,

Mike ----- Original Message -----
From: "Fredrik Krook" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE
PCB-CAD? > Hmm... My skills in making new components and place them in a library
arnt
> that good... Iv tried but the result is bad....
>
> My question was if someone had these allready made...
>
> //Fredrik
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leon Heller" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE
> PCB-CAD? > >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Fredrik Krook" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:03 PM
> > Subject: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE
> > PCB-CAD?
> >
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it has to bee ready
to
> > send to manufacture by next week... :/
> >
> > Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library since 2002 on
> > Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none...
> >
> > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like
> that
> > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with
> Protel.
> > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin
> names
> > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols.
> >
> > Leon
> > --
> > Leon Heller, G1HSM
> > Email:
> > My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system:
> > http://webspace.webring.com/people/jl/leon_heller//lpc2104.html
> >
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Hi!

Thanks! Ill have a try at it...

//Fredrik
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Puchol" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE
PCB-CAD? > Hi,
>
> Making new symbols and footprints in Protel is easy once you're OK with
the
> basics of the editor. I have a custom library where I add all the
footprints
> and schematic symbols that I create, so they're all in one place and
easily
> found.
>
> If you have the footprint drawings in the Microchip datasheet, just create
a
> pad which is a bit larger than the PIC's pins - I usually make them a bit
> "longer" so that they are easier to solder by hand if you need to. Start
> with pin number 1 - just add the pad in the footprint editor. Double-click
> on it, you can change the size and position - make the position of pin 1
> zero in both X and Y. That way, you can refer to the drawings' dimension
> lines and work out all the other pin positions from there on. There is
also
> a tool to create an array of pins, which also lets you re-number them as
> they are created - make use of it, but bear in mind that the pin that you
> make the array from will also be duplicated, so for example, if you array
> pin 1, you'll have two pin 1s superimposed, just delete one of them.
>
> Once you have the footprint, you can create the schematic symbol. Just
> number each pin you draw the same as the pin on the footprint, add the
saved
> footprint's name to the symbol's footprint list, save all and you're done.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mike > ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fredrik Krook" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE
> PCB-CAD? > > Hmm... My skills in making new components and place them in a library
> arnt
> > that good... Iv tried but the result is bad....
> >
> > My question was if someone had these allready made...
> >
> > //Fredrik
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Leon Heller" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or
EAGLE
> > PCB-CAD?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Fredrik Krook" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:03 PM
> > > Subject: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE
> > > PCB-CAD?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it has to bee ready
> to
> > > send to manufacture by next week... :/
> > >
> > > Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library since 2002 on
> > > Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none...
> > >
> > > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like
> > that
> > > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with
> > Protel.
> > > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin
> > names
> > > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols.
> > >
> > > Leon
> > > --
> > > Leon Heller, G1HSM
> > > Email:
> > > My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system:
> > > http://webspace.webring.com/people/jl/leon_heller//lpc2104.html
> > >
> > > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the
> > instructions
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part
like that
> with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer
with Protel.
> Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the
pin names
> as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols.


I've tried Eagle and found it counter-intuitive, tried Protel and
some of the others demo versions and then came to WinQCad as the
simple one to use.

Is there a review of these programs that list the benefits and
problems ?

I like WinQCad for the simplicty of the schematic layout and how easy
it is to make parts for the library. I also like the Autotrace
feature, but that lacks the ability to modify traces and then resume
from that point.

Dave




----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Mucha" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:29 PM
Subject: [piclist] Re: PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD - comparisons ??? >
> >
> > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part
> like that
> > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer
> with Protel.
> > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the
> pin names
> > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. > I've tried Eagle and found it counter-intuitive, tried Protel and
> some of the others demo versions and then came to WinQCad as the
> simple one to use.
>
> Is there a review of these programs that list the benefits and
> problems ?
>
> I like WinQCad for the simplicty of the schematic layout and how easy
> it is to make parts for the library. I also like the Autotrace
> feature, but that lacks the ability to modify traces and then resume
> from that point.

Have a look at EasyPC (http://www.numberone.com) and Pulsonix
(http://www.pulsonix.com). Pulsonix is the pro product (same co.). Both the
autorouters allow you to stop, route manually and then resume autorouting.
Both products are very reliable and easy to use: the Yahoo Pulsonix group I
formed gets very little use. I used EasyPC for years and am a beta tester
for Pulsonix.

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM
Email:
My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system:
http://webspace.webring.com/people/jl/leon_heller//lpc2104.html



Eagle is a total PITA to learn. Its like the anti-UI. However, once
you figure it out its incredibly powerfull and most circuit board
houses take Eagle files directly. I can create a complex part in
Eagle in about the same 20 minutes. Especially if there is already a
part drawing in a lib somewhere (which there is for most PICs).

--- In , "Dave Mucha" <davemucha@j...> wrote:
>
> >
> > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part
> like that
> > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer
> with Protel.
> > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the
> pin names
> > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic
symbols.
>
>
> I've tried Eagle and found it counter-intuitive, tried Protel and
> some of the others demo versions and then came to WinQCad as the
> simple one to use.
>
> Is there a review of these programs that list the benefits and
> problems ?
>
> I like WinQCad for the simplicty of the schematic layout and how
easy
> it is to make parts for the library. I also like the Autotrace
> feature, but that lacks the ability to modify traces and then
resume
> from that point.
>
> Dave





> Eagle is a total PITA to learn. Its like the anti-UI. However, once
> you figure it out its incredibly powerfull and most circuit board
> houses take Eagle files directly.

I agree on all (three) points. The problem is that IMHO the eagle
interface is optimized for an experienced user, which is not exactly the
same as optimized for a new user to learn!

Wouter van Ooijen

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I'm not disagreeing with you but it is very feasible to build a UI
that is both easy to learn and has power for the experienced user. I
get cranky when I have to relearn eagle after a month or 2 hiatus.

I think eagle's UI evolved from a command line interface (it feels
that way to me) and thus the GUI was sort of bolted on later.

Phil

--- In , "Wouter van Ooijen" <wouter@v...>
wrote:
> > Eagle is a total PITA to learn. Its like the anti-UI. However,
once
> > you figure it out its incredibly powerfull and most circuit board
> > houses take Eagle files directly.
>
> I agree on all (three) points. The problem is that IMHO the eagle
> interface is optimized for an experienced user, which is not
exactly the
> same as optimized for a new user to learn!
>
> Wouter van Ooijen
>
> -- -------
> Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl
> consultancy, development, PICmicro products