PIC16F84A and "This device requires firmware version 2.1.0 or higher" message

Started by Jason Hsu June 10, 2004
I'm new to the world of microcontrollers, so bear with me.

I'm trying to program a PIC1684A with my new PICSTART PLUS programmer
and MPLAB IDE v6.40 software. I have selected the PIC16F84A under
Configure -> Select Device and PICSTART PLUS under Programmer ->
Select Programmer. When I try to enable the programmer, I get the
message "This device requires firmware version 2.1.0 or higher".

Exactly where do I get the software I'm supposed to download? I
downloaded "PICSTART Plus Firmware 3.11(last upgrade for 17C44-
obsolete for Flash Module" to the "C:\Program Files\MPLAB
IDE\Programmers" directory. It didn't help.

Also, how do I know if my computer is trying to load my .asm file
or .hex file onto the microcontroller? I know that the .hex file is
what the microcontroller uses. (Fortunately, I haven't had trouble
converting the .asm to .hex.)

Is there a FAQ that answers questions like this one? I'm trying to
implement those simple starter programs, and I can't get anywhere
right now.



The lastest firmware versions are at the microchip site. I do not know
the address off hand, but will look it up if you have problems. It is
then a matter of downloading the hex file, buying a new 17C44, burning
it, and plugging it in.

The programming portion of your software will only load hex files.

Chad

--- Jason Hsu <> wrote:
> I'm new to the world of microcontrollers, so bear with me.
>
> I'm trying to program a PIC1684A with my new PICSTART PLUS programmer
>
> and MPLAB IDE v6.40 software. I have selected the PIC16F84A under
> Configure -> Select Device and PICSTART PLUS under Programmer ->
> Select Programmer. When I try to enable the programmer, I get the
> message "This device requires firmware version 2.1.0 or higher".
>
> Exactly where do I get the software I'm supposed to download? I
> downloaded "PICSTART Plus Firmware 3.11(last upgrade for 17C44-
> obsolete for Flash Module" to the "C:\Program Files\MPLAB
> IDE\Programmers" directory. It didn't help.
>
> Also, how do I know if my computer is trying to load my .asm file
> or .hex file onto the microcontroller? I know that the .hex file is
> what the microcontroller uses. (Fortunately, I haven't had trouble
> converting the .asm to .hex.)
>
> Is there a FAQ that answers questions like this one? I'm trying to
> implement those simple starter programs, and I can't get anywhere
> right now.


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--- In , Chad Russel <chadrussel@y...> wrote:
> The lastest firmware versions are at the microchip site. I do not
know
> the address off hand, but will look it up if you have problems. It
is
> then a matter of downloading the hex file, buying a new 17C44,
burning
> it, and plugging it in.
>
WHAT? I need to get a PIC17C44 and then burn it? I thought the
PIC16F84A is supposed to be a widely used starter microcontroller for
newbies trying to learn microcontrollers!

Jason Hsu, AG4DG
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The PIC17C44 is the processor in the PICStart Plus. You need to get the
C44 and load the latest firmware into it and then replace the C44 in the
PICStart Plus. That should get rid of your error message. Then you will
be able to program all the listed chips.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Hsu
Subject: [piclist] Re: PIC16F84A and "This device requires firmware
version 2.1.0 or higher" message --- In , Chad Russel <chadrussel@y...> wrote:
> The lastest firmware versions are at the microchip site. I do not
know
> the address off hand, but will look it up if you have problems. It
is
> then a matter of downloading the hex file, buying a new 17C44,
burning
> it, and plugging it in.
>
WHAT? I need to get a PIC17C44 and then burn it? I thought the
PIC16F84A is supposed to be a widely used starter microcontroller for
newbies trying to learn microcontrollers!

Jason Hsu, AG4DG



--- In , "Jason Hsu" <mailinglist@j...> wrote:
> WHAT? I need to get a PIC17C44 and then burn it? I thought the
> PIC16F84A is supposed to be a widely used starter microcontroller for
> newbies trying to learn microcontrollers!

Your problem is that your PICSTART must be *old* -- older than the
device you are trying to program and thus it needs to be updated so it
knows how to handle the "new" PIC16F84A device. Make sense now?

--Scott



--- In , "Scott Lee" <midl_man@y...> wrote:
>
> Your problem is that your PICSTART must be *old* -- older than the
> device you are trying to program and thus it needs to be updated so
it
> knows how to handle the "new" PIC16F84A device. Make sense now?
>
OK, except that I can't believe that Digi-Key sold me an old,
obsolete programmer. I should give you more information in case it
would help. The bottom of the PICSTART Plus programmer has
the "Flash Upgradeable" sticker. The Assy# is 10-00157-R21, and the
Serial# is JIT041411685.

I also bought PIC16F72 chips for a more ambitious project.

These microcontrollers require firmware upgrades 02.01.00 and
02.10.01, respectively.

Can anyone tell me EXACTLY what I need to do? I can't find the
software on the web site. A search on "firmware" on the Microchip web
site leads me to the URL http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?
IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId06&dDocName=en010069 , which has NO
software downloads. Do I need to obtain another chip?

Jason Hsu, AG4DG
http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eeham/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/resume_hyperinflation_fighters/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gmu-ece-control



Any part ending in R20 or greater has a firmware-upgradable FLASH device that can be updated from the IDE.  You will need to run MPLAB IDE Version 6.4 or greater in order to use this device.
 
I hope that helps,
 
Scotty
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Hsu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 6/10/2004 07:55:58
Subject: [piclist] Re: PIC16F84A and "This device requires firmware version 2.1.0 or higher" messag

--- In p...@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Lee" <midl_man@y...> wrote:
>
> Your problem is that your PICSTART must be *old* -- older than the
> device you are trying to program and thus it needs to be updated so
it
> knows how to handle the "new" PIC16F84A device.  Make sense now?
>
OK, except that I can't believe that Digi-Key sold me an old,
obsolete programmer.  I should give you more information in case it
would help.  The bottom of the PICSTART Plus programmer has
the "Flash Upgradeable" sticker. The Assy# is 10-00157-R21, and the
Serial# is JIT041411685.

I also bought PIC16F72 chips for a more ambitious project.

These microcontrollers require firmware upgrades 02.01.00 and
02.10.01, respectively.

Can anyone tell me EXACTLY what I need to do? I can't find the
software on the web site. A search on "firmware" on the Microchip web
site leads me to the URL http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?
IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId06&dDocName=en010069 , which has NO
software downloads. Do I need to obtain another chip? 

Jason Hsu, AG4DG
http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eeham/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/resume_hyperinflation_fighters/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gmu-ece-control



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Please read the community forums at www.microchip.com because they address issues with the PicStart+ programmer and others getting this same message.  Look under Help on how to upgrade the firmware--it is flash upgradable and you can just send it the upgrade from Programmer->Download PicStart OS.
 
Write back if you need further information or help.  I hope you get your programmer working--they're great!
 
Best,
Scotty
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Hsu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 6/9/2004 21:48:50
Subject: [piclist] PIC16F84A and "This device requires firmware version 2.1.0 or higher" message

I'm new to the world of microcontrollers, so bear with me.

I'm trying to program a PIC1684A with my new PICSTART PLUS programmer
and MPLAB IDE v6.40 software.  I have selected the PIC16F84A under
Configure -> Select Device and PICSTART PLUS under Programmer ->
Select Programmer.  When I try to enable the programmer, I get the
message "This device requires firmware version 2.1.0 or higher".

Exactly where do I get the software I'm supposed to download?  I
downloaded "PICSTART Plus Firmware 3.11(last upgrade for 17C44-
obsolete for Flash Module" to the "C:\Program Files\MPLAB
IDE\Programmers" directory.  It didn't help.

Also, how do I know if my computer is trying to load my .asm file
or .hex file onto the microcontroller?  I know that the .hex file is
what the microcontroller uses.  (Fortunately, I haven't had trouble
converting the .asm to .hex.)

Is there a FAQ that answers questions like this one?  I'm trying to
implement those simple starter programs, and I can't get anywhere
right now.



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Your programmer is not old.  If it is R20 or greater, it has a FLASH upgradable OS.  Please read my other posts or visit the community forums at www.microchip.com for further information.
 
Best,
Scotty
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Lee
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 6/10/2004 07:21:32
Subject: [piclist] Re: PIC16F84A and "This device requires firmware version 2.1.0 or higher" messag

--- In p...@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Hsu" <mailinglist@j...> wrote:
> WHAT?  I need to get a PIC17C44 and then burn it?  I thought the
> PIC16F84A is supposed to be a widely used starter microcontroller for
> newbies trying to learn microcontrollers!

Your problem is that your PICSTART must be *old* -- older than the
device you are trying to program and thus it needs to be updated so it
knows how to handle the "new" PIC16F84A device.  Make sense now?

--Scott



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What they said. Just because it says it needs firmware, does not mean
that you do. I used my old, old, old programmer forever until I used a
chip it could not handle. My philosophy is, if it works, don't mess
with it until you need to.

Contacting microchip by email or phone may be the most expedient
solution. The technical people are very helpful and seem to know their
product from top to bottom, and have always been able to give me
stright forward answers to my questions.

Usually 'carefully' reading about the subject on their website will
also yield results.

Chad

--- Scott Thompson <> wrote:
> Your programmer is not old. If it is R20 or greater, it has a FLASH
> upgradable OS. Please read my other posts or visit the community
> forums at www.microchip.com for further information.
>
> Best,
> Scotty > ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Lee
> To:
> Sent: 6/10/2004 07:21:32
> Subject: [piclist] Re: PIC16F84A and "This device requires firmware
> version 2.1.0 or higher" messag > --- In , "Jason Hsu" <mailinglist@j...> wrote:
> > WHAT? I need to get a PIC17C44 and then burn it? I thought the
> > PIC16F84A is supposed to be a widely used starter microcontroller
> for
> > newbies trying to learn microcontrollers!
>
> Your problem is that your PICSTART must be *old* -- older than the
> device you are trying to program and thus it needs to be updated so
> it
> knows how to handle the "new" PIC16F84A device. Make sense now?
>
> --Scott >
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