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Bill has a better protection than yet mentioned: Who would *want* to copy windows???? :-) --- Stef Mientki <> wrote: > > > Dave Mucha wrote: > > >--- In , "rtstofer" > <rstofer@p...> wrote: > > > > > >>Another approach if the encryption is trash is to > hide the data in > >> > >> > >a > > > > > >>snowstorm. Send a ton of bytes, some of which > have useful data. > >> > >> > > > > > >Kinda like Windows ! ton of code, most is > useless. I've never > >heard of it being called snowstorm, but it seems to > fit. > > > > > A good engineer (with the right tools) can watch the > functionality and > put it into another processor. > So the real thing to worry about is protection of > the functionlity of an > idea and not the byte-code. > > And again Bill has found a trick to protect that: > ensure that the > behaviour differs every time ;-) > > Stef > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > >to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com > and follow the instructions > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ |
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16F88 bootloader
Started by ●August 8, 2004
Reply by ●August 11, 20042004-08-11
Reply by ●August 11, 20042004-08-11
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I have some coworkers & friends who work very hard at reverse engineering a portion of windows' functionality. They call their product Samba. Curiously if they every succeed at the goal of displacing MS they too will be out of work. --- In , Mr S <szinn_the1@y...> wrote: > Bill has a better protection than yet mentioned: Who > would *want* to copy windows???? :-) > |
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Reply by ●August 11, 20042004-08-11
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Mr S wrote: >Bill has a better protection than yet mentioned: Who >would *want* to copy windows???? :-) > Ok the quality of a product, might even be a better protection !!! :-) :-) Stef > > |
Reply by ●August 11, 20042004-08-11
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Isn't SAMBA the SMB windows networking subsystem on Linux? I'd say
they have been very successful. I use it on all my Linux boxes. They have a tough job because MS keeps changing the SMB interface gratuitously with each OS release but they seem to very on top of it. Its an outstanding piece of work. On copying windows - I think there are a lot of people that would love to clone it to break MS's strangle hold on DT computing. On a low end PC, more than 10% of the pruchase price goes directly to MS. That's real incentive. Finally, on the blizzard protection concept. There is a saying in the secure computing community that "protection through obfuscation is no protection at all". Or put another way, there is always some smart, dedicated guy who will figure it out and it only takes one. Phil --- In , "Scott Lee" <midl_man@y...> wrote: > I have some coworkers & friends who work very hard at reverse > engineering a portion of windows' functionality. They call their > product Samba. Curiously if they every succeed at the goal of > displacing MS they too will be out of work. > --- In , Mr S <szinn_the1@y...> wrote: > > Bill has a better protection than yet mentioned: Who > > would *want* to copy windows???? :-) > > |
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Scott, I like your name. Even more than that, I like Samba and how it works. I appreciate even more that it doesn't require a windows interface. Samba makes windows pc's useful in the real world of networking and computing, not just in the MS view of that world. In my view, Samba does not simply immitate a portion of windows, it improves the windows desktop to the point that it is usable :) I have a great appreciation for your coworkers and friends. --- Scott Lee <> wrote: > I have some coworkers & friends who work very hard > at reverse > engineering a portion of windows' functionality. > They call their > product Samba. Curiously if they every succeed at > the goal of > displacing MS they too will be out of work. > --- In , Mr S > <szinn_the1@y...> wrote: > > Bill has a better protection than yet mentioned: > Who > > would *want* to copy windows???? :-) > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/dN_tlB/TM > --------------------------------~-> > > > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and > follow the instructions > Yahoo! Groups Links > > __________________________________ |
Reply by ●August 11, 20042004-08-11
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--- In , Stef Mientki <s.mientki@m...> wrote: > > > Dave Mucha wrote: > > >--- In , "rtstofer" <rstofer@p...> wrote: > > > > > >>Another approach if the encryption is trash is to hide the data in > >> > >> > >a > > > > > >>snowstorm. Send a ton of bytes, some of which have useful data. > >> > >> > > > > > >Kinda like Windows ! ton of code, most is useless. I've never > >heard of it being called snowstorm, but it seems to fit. > > > > > A good engineer (with the right tools) can watch the functionality and > put it into another processor. > So the real thing to worry about is protection of the functionlity of an > idea and not the byte-code. > > And again Bill has found a trick to protect that: ensure that the > behaviour differs every time ;-) > > Stef Sure, but many people think crashes and lock-ups are not a viable way of working ! Dave |
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Reply by ●August 11, 20042004-08-11
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--- In , "Dave Mucha" <dave_mucha@y...> wrote: > --- In , Stef Mientki <s.mientki@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Dave Mucha wrote: > > > > >--- In , "rtstofer" <rstofer@p...> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Another approach if the encryption is trash is to hide the data > in > > >a > > >>snowstorm. Send a ton of bytes, some of which have useful data. > > > > > > > > >Kinda like Windows ! ton of code, most is useless. I've never > > >heard of it being called snowstorm, but it seems to fit. > > > > > > > > A good engineer (with the right tools) can watch the functionality > and > > put it into another processor. > > So the real thing to worry about is protection of the functionlity > of an > > idea and not the byte-code. > > > > And again Bill has found a trick to protect that: ensure that the > > behaviour differs every time ;-) > > > > Stef > > Sure, but many people think crashes and lock-ups are not a viable way > of working ! > > Dave I like to hold on to the thought that even the richest man in the world has to reboot 5 times a day also. Unless he is smart enought to run Linux. Imagine if that news got out. Chad |
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Reply by ●August 12, 20042004-08-12
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Chad Russel wrote: > I like to hold on to the thought that even the richest man in the > world has to reboot 5 times a day also. Unless he is smart enought to > run Linux. Whow ! Linux seems to work without UPS and mains power. I should try someday... :) Vasile |
Reply by ●August 12, 20042004-08-12
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Honestly guys, if you can get linux, bsd or whatever your working on to where you pop in a CD and it loads and configures right with no knowledge of the kernal, libraries, dependancies, etc., you have a winner. MS has gain it's position for many factors, even if product quality isn't one of them. While the average user is challenged by dealing with installing windows or frustrated by reinstalling, more often then not they can do it themselves. Even Mandrake (which I consider the most user friendly version) is too technically demanding for my Mom to install and use. If you could have it load up and recognize just about any normal hardware without user intervention, you'd go a long way to promoting the penetraction into the end user market. I'm talking near idiot proof auto installing of Atheros with the mystery HAl and Prism modules, Nvidia, ATI and GLX that fall into place without a hammer, etc.... "But I load blah blah all the time and have no problem." I'd hazard to guess the technical competence of this forum is much higher than your average home user. If you want to talk uptime, I manage a herd of VAXen, and the worst of which has an uptime of over 900 days without a reboot or any other attention really. We have had some field units fail after uptimes over 10 years, upon being opened up for autopsy, they were basically a solid cake of dust (Very remote communication sites, no regular maintence.) Me? I use a variety of Windows, OpenVMS(dec and alpha), Solaris, Linux since version .99p16, Torvalds was still a student. So back on topic, anyone port VMS to a 16F877 yet? :) _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement |
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Reply by ●August 12, 20042004-08-12
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yup yup yup. I've always maintained that setup/installation technologies is a strategic advantage. When it takes 5K engineers to make the next version of the OS work on all the flavors of motherboards, display adaptors, and so on out there, who is going to invest that kind of coin other than the entrenched monopoly? --- In , "Kevin Van Winkle" <kvwinkle@h...> wrote: > Honestly guys, if you can get linux, bsd or whatever your working on to > where you pop in a CD and it loads and configures right with no knowledge of > the kernal, libraries, dependancies, etc., you have a winner. > > MS has gain it's position for many factors, even if product quality isn't > one of them. While the average user is challenged by dealing with > installing windows or frustrated by reinstalling, more often then not they > can do it themselves. > > Even Mandrake (which I consider the most user friendly version) is too > technically demanding for my Mom to install and use. If you could have it > load up and recognize just about any normal hardware without user > intervention, you'd go a long way to promoting the penetraction into the end > user market. I'm talking near idiot proof auto installing of Atheros with > the mystery HAl and Prism modules, Nvidia, ATI and GLX that fall into place > without a hammer, etc.... > > "But I load blah blah all the time and have no problem." I'd hazard to > guess the technical competence of this forum is much higher than your > average home user. > > If you want to talk uptime, I manage a herd of VAXen, and the worst of which > has an uptime of over 900 days without a reboot or any other attention > really. We have had some field units fail after uptimes over 10 years, upon > being opened up for autopsy, they were basically a solid cake of dust (Very > remote communication sites, no regular maintence.) > > Me? I use a variety of Windows, OpenVMS(dec and alpha), Solaris, Linux > since version .99p16, Torvalds was still a student. > > So back on topic, anyone port VMS to a 16F877 yet? :) > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement |
