PicBasic Pro v. MBasic...

Started by clayforge April 28, 2005
Has anyone used PicBasic Pro by MeLabs) and MBasic Pro (by Basic
Micro)? How do the two compare? I can afford to get one or the
other, and obviously want the better of the two products. By better,
I mean easier to use, value for the money, more powerful.

Please do not bother listing all of the other available Basic
compilers. I have compared and contrasted and these are the front
runners in my search.

Thanks,

Scott


Try downloading the demos or manuals and examples for each product and
make a decision. I personally couldn't afford to buy both to evaluate,
and I don't think many would change one for another.

The thing is there are other BASIC compilers out there, and there are
other languages that are equally as easy to use (and in the case of JAL
are free as well)

Personally I like the look of MBASIC, However there are loads of IDE
interfaces for PicBASIC

Malcolm

clayforge wrote:

> Has anyone used PicBasic Pro by MeLabs) and MBasic Pro (by Basic
> Micro)? How do the two compare? I can afford to get one or the
> other, and obviously want the better of the two products. By better,
> I mean easier to use, value for the money, more powerful.
>
> Please do not bother listing all of the other available Basic
> compilers. I have compared and contrasted and these are the front
> runners in my search.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott >
>
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personaly i would say dont get either i tryed them both and was
dissapointed i now use mikroBasic by mikroElektronika its awesome i
payed about 86 GBP and thats it, free upgrades for life and
excellent customer service via a forum email etc they have a free
download that only limits the hex code to 2k so you can try out all
the examples there is a good maunal and a free online book and
project downloads you would be mad not to give it a look,

within an hour i had a 16F877A and a 16F84A hooked up to a lcd
displaying the speed of a pwm driven motor, the code took 10 mins
the rest was soldering wires etc

They do C, Pascal, basic

http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/index.htm

im not connected in anyway im just a total fan it realy is that good --- In piclist@picl..., Malcolm <malcolm.crabbe@n...> wrote:
> Try downloading the demos or manuals and examples for each product
and
> make a decision. I personally couldn't afford to buy both to
evaluate,
> and I don't think many would change one for another.
>
> The thing is there are other BASIC compilers out there, and there
are
> other languages that are equally as easy to use (and in the case
of JAL
> are free as well)
>
> Personally I like the look of MBASIC, However there are loads of
IDE
> interfaces for PicBASIC
>
> Malcolm
>
> clayforge wrote:
>
> > Has anyone used PicBasic Pro by MeLabs) and MBasic Pro (by Basic
> > Micro)? How do the two compare? I can afford to get one or the
> > other, and obviously want the better of the two products. By
better,
> > I mean easier to use, value for the money, more powerful.
> >
> > Please do not bother listing all of the other available Basic
> > compilers. I have compared and contrasted and these are the
front
> > runners in my search.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the
> > instructions
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> >
> >



In what ways were you disappointed with PicBasic Pro and MBasic? How
did they fail to meet your needs? What makes mikroBasic so "awesome"?
This would help in letting me make a good choice.

Thanks!

Scott --- In piclist@picl..., "p_c_vincent" <p3t3rv@b...> wrote:
> personaly i would say dont get either i tryed them both and was
> dissapointed i now use mikroBasic by mikroElektronika its awesome i
>



On the PICPLC16 board the relays alone must be something like 1/2 the cost...
and then the rest of the components, board, manual, box ...
Its amazing if they can make any money on these boards....

p_c_vincent wrote:

....i now use mikroBasic by mikroElektronika its awesome i
payed about £86 GBP and thats it, free upgrades for life and
excellent customer service via a forum email etc they have a free
download that only limits the hex code to 2k so you can try out all
the examples there is a good maunal and a free online book and
project downloads you would be mad not to give it a look,

within an hour i had a 16F877A and a 16F84A hooked up to a lcd
displaying the speed of a pwm driven motor, the code took 10 mins
the rest was soldering wires etc

They do C, Pascal, basic

http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/index.htm

im not connected in anyway im just a total fan it realy is that good
 
 


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> They do C, Pascal, basic
> http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/index.htm
> im not connected in anyway im just a total fan it realy is that good

A customer wanted to use their Pascal compiler. I had to write a library
for him. I have some serious problems with the Pascal compiler / IDE
(after using it for half a day!):
- sometimes a module will not be re-compiled after a source change
- some constructs that are legal according to the manual produce a weird
compiler errors
- the generated code is not very efficient (to put it mildly)
- the assembler output is not a real assembler listing
- accessing variables from in-line assembly realy sucks

Wouter van Ooijen

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I haven't used any of these compilers so any opinion would be
worthless.

Some things to consider:

MBASIC and PicBasicPRO are based on the Basic Stamp - perhaps this
is useful for converting programs. Pay attention to expressions -
they are done correctly in the BASICs and incorrectly on the Stamp.
This will create problems in conversions.

Leaf through both manuals, side by side. Look for functions
included in one but not the other. Does the presence or absence
matter? Floating point is a kludge either way - but it often is on
8 bit machines.

Look at the chips that are covered. Does one cover more than the
other? Does it matter? Do either cover the new 18Fxxxx chips? I
would look at the length of the list and use that as a factor. More
chips is better. Simply because you often find an example based on
some obscure chip and it is easier to use the chip than convert the
program. And more likely to work without hours of debugging. Like
the 8 MHz internal clock of the PIC16F819 versus 4 MHz for most of
the other small chips - stuff like that will drive you nuts.

Take a sample program from some archive. Compile it with the demo
compilers. Which compiler generates the least amount of code. This
can be a factor with the smaller devices.

Look at in-line assembly. It is often necessary to get down and
dirty with the hardware. Does this look easier with one than the
other?

All else being equal, PicBasicPRO is kind of a standard in the
industry. I would tend to go that way but it could get to be a coin
toss either way - what's $20?. From a VERY limited review, I tend
to see articles based on PicBasicPRO and I haven't seen any based on
MBASIC. All I know about anything, I got by copying the works of
others so I want to use what the author used.

FWIW, I am seriously thinking about buying PicBasicPRO for the
library. There are some projects where performance doesn't matter,
size isn't critical, I just want results - right now! Maybe
PicBasicPRO will give it to me.

Let us know what you decide.


I don't see how the support would be any good if they don't charge for upgrades for life. 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: p_c_vincent
Date: 04/28/05 17:52:14
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [piclist] Re: PicBasic Pro v. MBasic...
 
personaly i would say dont get either i tryed them both and was
dissapointed i now use mikroBasic by mikroElektronika its awesome i
payed about 86 GBP and thats it, free upgrades for life and
excellent customer service via a forum email etc they have a free
download that only limits the hex code to 2k so you can try out all
the examples there is a good maunal and a free online book and
project downloads you would be mad not to give it a look,
 
within an hour i had a 16F877A and a 16F84A hooked up to a lcd
displaying the speed of a pwm driven motor, the code took 10 mins
the rest was soldering wires etc
 
They do C, Pascal, basic
 
http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/index.htm
 
im not connected in anyway im just a total fan it realy is that good
 
 
 
 
 
--- In p...@yahoogroups.com, Malcolm <malcolm.crabbe@n...> wrote:
> Try downloading the demos or manuals and examples for each product
and
> make a decision.  I personally couldn't afford to buy both to
evaluate,
> and I don't think many would change one for another.
>
> The thing is there are other BASIC compilers out there, and there
are
> other languages that are equally as easy to use (and in the case
of JAL
> are free as well)
>
> Personally I like the look of MBASIC, However there are loads of
IDE
> interfaces for PicBASIC
>
> Malcolm
>
> clayforge wrote:
>
> > Has anyone used PicBasic Pro by MeLabs) and MBasic Pro (by Basic
> > Micro)?  How do the two compare?  I can afford to get one or the
> > other, and obviously want the better of the two products.  By
better,
> > I mean easier to use, value for the money, more powerful.
> >
> > Please do not bother listing all of the other available Basic
> > compilers.  I have compared and contrasted and these are the
front
> > runners in my search.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the
> > instructions
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Bill,

The support is excellent despite the free upgrades for life. I'm not
sure exactly how they do it, bit they do it, and that's what counts.
I have used only the trial version so far, but I am very much satisfied
with it and the support I have gotten from them in that short time.
Version 2 will be coming out soon, and as soon as it does, I'm buying
the full version. I'm only waiting because I'm waiting on funding from
my income tax refund. Otherwise, I'd just get the current version and
get the upgrade free when it is released. And just as an FYI, version 2
was supposed to be released earlier this month, but they wanted to do
some more testing to iron out as many bugs and details as possible before
releasing it. I'd call that dedication and attention to detail. I know
I'll be satisfied with Mikrobasic because I've used it and I like it.
In addition, I also own PIC BASIC PRO. It's okay too. It has lots of
builtin functions, but not many libraries (that I've seen anyway).
If I had my choice, (and I do), I'd go with Mikrobasic (Which I have/will).

Hope this helps you out some. Good Luck. Regards,

Jim
> I don't see how the support would be any good if they don't charge for
> upgrades for life.
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: p_c_vincent
> Date: 04/28/05 17:52:14
> To: piclist@picl...
> Subject: [piclist] Re: PicBasic Pro v. MBasic...
>
> personaly i would say dont get either i tryed them both and was
> dissapointed i now use mikroBasic by mikroElektronika its awesome i
> payed about 86 GBP and thats it, free upgrades for life and
> excellent customer service via a forum email etc they have a free
> download that only limits the hex code to 2k so you can try out all
> the examples there is a good maunal and a free online book and
> project downloads you would be mad not to give it a look,
>
> within an hour i had a 16F877A and a 16F84A hooked up to a lcd
> displaying the speed of a pwm driven motor, the code took 10 mins
the
> rest was soldering wires etc
>
> They do C, Pascal, basic
>
> http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/index.htm
>
> im not connected in anyway im just a total fan it realy is that good > --- In piclist@picl..., Malcolm <malcolm.crabbe@n...> wrote:
>> Try downloading the demos or manuals and examples for each product
> and
>> make a decision. I personally couldn't afford to buy both to
> evaluate,
>> and I don't think many would change one for another.
>>
>> The thing is there are other BASIC compilers out there, and there
> are
>> other languages that are equally as easy to use (and in the case
> of JAL
>> are free as well)
>>
>> Personally I like the look of MBASIC, However there are loads of
> IDE
>> interfaces for PicBASIC
>>
>> Malcolm
>>
>> clayforge wrote:
>>
>> > Has anyone used PicBasic Pro by MeLabs) and MBasic Pro (by Basic
>> > Micro)? How do the two compare? I can afford to get one or the
>> > other, and obviously want the better of the two products. By
> better,
>> > I mean easier to use, value for the money, more powerful.
>> >
>> > Please do not bother listing all of the other available Basic
>> > compilers. I have compared and contrasted and these are the
> front
>> > runners in my search.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the
>> > instructions
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>> > *>.
>> >
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product support is great they are in the process of releasing version 2 a big update lots of new built in functions bug fixes all of which came from the forum they asked us what we wanted to see in version 2 via the forum they put it in , your questions get answerd by the people that actualy write the code, just because they dont rip us off with constant charges for updates (pay or get left behind) is no measure of the quality of customer service just look at MPLAB from picmicro a very substantional piece of software constantly updated do they charge ? do they even charge for the software to begin with ? no and no so dose that meen Microchip gives crap support ? my PicKit1 flash starter kit was only 20 the upgrades are free
 
customer support is more than weather you pay for upgrades or not , its how the vendor interacts with the customer to provide help,  information or solutions to problems, and on that score i'm impressed with mikroBasic all i can say is download the trial read the forum see for yourself :)
 
 
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Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [piclist] Re: PicBasic Pro v. MBasic...

I don't see how the support would be any good if they don't charge for upgrades for life. 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: p_c_vincent
Date: 04/28/05 17:52:14
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [piclist] Re: PicBasic Pro v. MBasic...
 
personaly i would say dont get either i tryed them both and was
dissapointed i now use mikroBasic by mikroElektronika its awesome i
payed about 86 GBP and thats it, free upgrades for life and
excellent customer service via a forum email etc they have a free
download that only limits the hex code to 2k so you can try out all
the examples there is a good maunal and a free online book and
project downloads you would be mad not to give it a look,
 
within an hour i had a 16F877A and a 16F84A hooked up to a lcd
displaying the speed of a pwm driven motor, the code took 10 mins
the rest was soldering wires etc
 
They do C, Pascal, basic
 
http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/index.htm
 
im not connected in anyway im just a total fan it realy is that good
 
 
 
 
 
--- In p...@yahoogroups.com, Malcolm <malcolm.crabbe@n...> wrote:
> Try downloading the demos or manuals and examples for each product
and
> make a decision.  I personally couldn't afford to buy both to
evaluate,
> and I don't think many would change one for another.
>
> The thing is there are other BASIC compilers out there, and there
are
> other languages that are equally as easy to use (and in the case
of JAL
> are free as well)
>
> Personally I like the look of MBASIC, However there are loads of
IDE
> interfaces for PicBASIC
>
> Malcolm
>
> clayforge wrote:
>
> > Has anyone used PicBasic Pro by MeLabs) and MBasic Pro (by Basic
> > Micro)?  How do the two compare?  I can afford to get one or the
> > other, and obviously want the better of the two products.  By
better,
> > I mean easier to use, value for the money, more powerful.
> >
> > Please do not bother listing all of the other available Basic
> > compilers.  I have compared and contrasted and these are the
front
> > runners in my search.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the
> > instructions
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> >
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