Has anyone used PicBasic Pro by MeLabs) and MBasic Pro (by Basic
Micro)? How do the two compare? I can afford to get one or the
other, and obviously want the better of the two products. By better,
I mean easier to use, value for the money, more powerful.
Please do not bother listing all of the other available Basic
compilers. I have compared and contrasted and these are the front
runners in my search.
Thanks,
Scott
PicBasic Pro v. MBasic...
Started by ●April 28, 2005
Reply by ●April 28, 20052005-04-28
Try downloading the demos or manuals and examples for each product and
make a decision. I personally couldn't afford to buy both to evaluate,
and I don't think many would change one for another.
The thing is there are other BASIC compilers out there, and there are
other languages that are equally as easy to use (and in the case of JAL
are free as well)
Personally I like the look of MBASIC, However there are loads of IDE
interfaces for PicBASIC
Malcolm
clayforge wrote:
> Has anyone used PicBasic Pro by MeLabs) and MBasic Pro (by Basic
> Micro)? How do the two compare? I can afford to get one or the
> other, and obviously want the better of the two products. By better,
> I mean easier to use, value for the money, more powerful.
>
> Please do not bother listing all of the other available Basic
> compilers. I have compared and contrasted and these are the front
> runners in my search.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott >
>
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make a decision. I personally couldn't afford to buy both to evaluate,
and I don't think many would change one for another.
The thing is there are other BASIC compilers out there, and there are
other languages that are equally as easy to use (and in the case of JAL
are free as well)
Personally I like the look of MBASIC, However there are loads of IDE
interfaces for PicBASIC
Malcolm
clayforge wrote:
> Has anyone used PicBasic Pro by MeLabs) and MBasic Pro (by Basic
> Micro)? How do the two compare? I can afford to get one or the
> other, and obviously want the better of the two products. By better,
> I mean easier to use, value for the money, more powerful.
>
> Please do not bother listing all of the other available Basic
> compilers. I have compared and contrasted and these are the front
> runners in my search.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott >
>
> to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the
> instructions >
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Reply by ●April 28, 20052005-04-28
personaly i would say dont get either i tryed them both and was
dissapointed i now use mikroBasic by mikroElektronika its awesome i
payed about 86 GBP and thats it, free upgrades for life and
excellent customer service via a forum email etc they have a free
download that only limits the hex code to 2k so you can try out all
the examples there is a good maunal and a free online book and
project downloads you would be mad not to give it a look,
within an hour i had a 16F877A and a 16F84A hooked up to a lcd
displaying the speed of a pwm driven motor, the code took 10 mins
the rest was soldering wires etc
They do C, Pascal, basic
http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/index.htm
im not connected in anyway im just a total fan it realy is that good --- In piclist@picl..., Malcolm <malcolm.crabbe@n...> wrote:
> Try downloading the demos or manuals and examples for each product
and
> make a decision. I personally couldn't afford to buy both to
evaluate,
> and I don't think many would change one for another.
>
> The thing is there are other BASIC compilers out there, and there
are
> other languages that are equally as easy to use (and in the case
of JAL
> are free as well)
>
> Personally I like the look of MBASIC, However there are loads of
IDE
> interfaces for PicBASIC
>
> Malcolm
>
> clayforge wrote:
>
> > Has anyone used PicBasic Pro by MeLabs) and MBasic Pro (by Basic
> > Micro)? How do the two compare? I can afford to get one or the
> > other, and obviously want the better of the two products. By
better,
> > I mean easier to use, value for the money, more powerful.
> >
> > Please do not bother listing all of the other available Basic
> > compilers. I have compared and contrasted and these are the
front
> > runners in my search.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the
> > instructions
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dissapointed i now use mikroBasic by mikroElektronika its awesome i
payed about 86 GBP and thats it, free upgrades for life and
excellent customer service via a forum email etc they have a free
download that only limits the hex code to 2k so you can try out all
the examples there is a good maunal and a free online book and
project downloads you would be mad not to give it a look,
within an hour i had a 16F877A and a 16F84A hooked up to a lcd
displaying the speed of a pwm driven motor, the code took 10 mins
the rest was soldering wires etc
They do C, Pascal, basic
http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/index.htm
im not connected in anyway im just a total fan it realy is that good --- In piclist@picl..., Malcolm <malcolm.crabbe@n...> wrote:
> Try downloading the demos or manuals and examples for each product
and
> make a decision. I personally couldn't afford to buy both to
evaluate,
> and I don't think many would change one for another.
>
> The thing is there are other BASIC compilers out there, and there
are
> other languages that are equally as easy to use (and in the case
of JAL
> are free as well)
>
> Personally I like the look of MBASIC, However there are loads of
IDE
> interfaces for PicBASIC
>
> Malcolm
>
> clayforge wrote:
>
> > Has anyone used PicBasic Pro by MeLabs) and MBasic Pro (by Basic
> > Micro)? How do the two compare? I can afford to get one or the
> > other, and obviously want the better of the two products. By
better,
> > I mean easier to use, value for the money, more powerful.
> >
> > Please do not bother listing all of the other available Basic
> > compilers. I have compared and contrasted and these are the
front
> > runners in my search.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the
> > instructions
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Reply by ●April 28, 20052005-04-28
In what ways were you disappointed with PicBasic Pro and MBasic? How
did they fail to meet your needs? What makes mikroBasic so "awesome"?
This would help in letting me make a good choice.
Thanks!
Scott --- In piclist@picl..., "p_c_vincent" <p3t3rv@b...> wrote:
> personaly i would say dont get either i tryed them both and was
> dissapointed i now use mikroBasic by mikroElektronika its awesome i
>
did they fail to meet your needs? What makes mikroBasic so "awesome"?
This would help in letting me make a good choice.
Thanks!
Scott --- In piclist@picl..., "p_c_vincent" <p3t3rv@b...> wrote:
> personaly i would say dont get either i tryed them both and was
> dissapointed i now use mikroBasic by mikroElektronika its awesome i
>
Reply by ●April 28, 20052005-04-28
On the PICPLC16 board the relays alone must be something like 1/2 the cost...
and then the rest of the components, board, manual, box ...
Its amazing if they can make any money on these boards....
and then the rest of the components, board, manual, box ...
Its amazing if they can make any money on these boards....
p_c_vincent wrote:
....i now use mikroBasic by mikroElektronika its awesome i
payed about £86 GBP and thats it, free upgrades for life and
excellent customer service via a forum email etc they have a free
download that only limits the hex code to 2k so you can try out all
the examples there is a good maunal and a free online book and
project downloads you would be mad not to give it a look,within an hour i had a 16F877A and a 16F84A hooked up to a lcd
displaying the speed of a pwm driven motor, the code took 10 mins
the rest was soldering wires etcThey do C, Pascal, basic
http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/index.htm
im not connected in anyway im just a total fan it realy is that good
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Reply by ●April 28, 20052005-04-28
> They do C, Pascal, basic
> http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/index.htm
> im not connected in anyway im just a total fan it realy is that good
A customer wanted to use their Pascal compiler. I had to write a library
for him. I have some serious problems with the Pascal compiler / IDE
(after using it for half a day!):
- sometimes a module will not be re-compiled after a source change
- some constructs that are legal according to the manual produce a weird
compiler errors
- the generated code is not very efficient (to put it mildly)
- the assembler output is not a real assembler listing
- accessing variables from in-line assembly realy sucks
Wouter van Ooijen
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consultancy, development, PICmicro products
docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu
> http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/index.htm
> im not connected in anyway im just a total fan it realy is that good
A customer wanted to use their Pascal compiler. I had to write a library
for him. I have some serious problems with the Pascal compiler / IDE
(after using it for half a day!):
- sometimes a module will not be re-compiled after a source change
- some constructs that are legal according to the manual produce a weird
compiler errors
- the generated code is not very efficient (to put it mildly)
- the assembler output is not a real assembler listing
- accessing variables from in-line assembly realy sucks
Wouter van Ooijen
-- -------
Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl
consultancy, development, PICmicro products
docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu
Reply by ●April 28, 20052005-04-28
I haven't used any of these compilers so any opinion would be
worthless.
Some things to consider:
MBASIC and PicBasicPRO are based on the Basic Stamp - perhaps this
is useful for converting programs. Pay attention to expressions -
they are done correctly in the BASICs and incorrectly on the Stamp.
This will create problems in conversions.
Leaf through both manuals, side by side. Look for functions
included in one but not the other. Does the presence or absence
matter? Floating point is a kludge either way - but it often is on
8 bit machines.
Look at the chips that are covered. Does one cover more than the
other? Does it matter? Do either cover the new 18Fxxxx chips? I
would look at the length of the list and use that as a factor. More
chips is better. Simply because you often find an example based on
some obscure chip and it is easier to use the chip than convert the
program. And more likely to work without hours of debugging. Like
the 8 MHz internal clock of the PIC16F819 versus 4 MHz for most of
the other small chips - stuff like that will drive you nuts.
Take a sample program from some archive. Compile it with the demo
compilers. Which compiler generates the least amount of code. This
can be a factor with the smaller devices.
Look at in-line assembly. It is often necessary to get down and
dirty with the hardware. Does this look easier with one than the
other?
All else being equal, PicBasicPRO is kind of a standard in the
industry. I would tend to go that way but it could get to be a coin
toss either way - what's $20?. From a VERY limited review, I tend
to see articles based on PicBasicPRO and I haven't seen any based on
MBASIC. All I know about anything, I got by copying the works of
others so I want to use what the author used.
FWIW, I am seriously thinking about buying PicBasicPRO for the
library. There are some projects where performance doesn't matter,
size isn't critical, I just want results - right now! Maybe
PicBasicPRO will give it to me.
Let us know what you decide.
Reply by ●April 28, 20052005-04-28
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I don't see how the support would be any good if they don't
charge for upgrades for life.
-------Original Message-------
From: p_c_vincent
Date: 04/28/05 17:52:14
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [piclist] Re: PicBasic Pro v.
MBasic... personaly i would say dont get either i tryed them both and was
dissapointed i now use mikroBasic by mikroElektronika its awesome i
payed about 86 GBP and thats it, free upgrades for life and
excellent customer service via a forum email etc they have a free
download that only limits the hex code to 2k so you can try out all
the examples there is a good maunal and a free online book and
project downloads you would be mad not to give it a look,
within an hour i had a 16F877A and a 16F84A hooked up to a lcd
displaying the speed of a pwm driven motor, the code took 10 mins
the rest was soldering wires etc
They do C, Pascal, basic
http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/index.htm
im not connected in anyway im just a total fan it realy is that good
--- In p...@yahoogroups.com, Malcolm <malcolm.crabbe@n...>
wrote:
> Try downloading the demos or manuals and examples for each
product
and
> make a decision. I personally couldn't afford to buy
both to
evaluate,
> and I don't think many would change one for another.
>
> The thing is there are other BASIC compilers out there, and
there
are
> other languages that are equally as easy to use (and in the case
of JAL
> are free as well)
>
> Personally I like the look of MBASIC, However there are loads of
IDE
> interfaces for PicBASIC
>
> Malcolm
>
> clayforge wrote:
>
> > Has anyone used PicBasic Pro by MeLabs) and MBasic Pro (by
Basic
> > Micro)? How do the two compare? I can
afford to get one or the
> > other, and obviously want the better of the two
products. By
better,
> > I mean easier to use, value for the money, more powerful.
> >
> > Please do not bother listing all of the other available
Basic
> > compilers. I have compared and contrasted and these
are the
front
> > runners in my search.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow
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Reply by ●April 29, 20052005-04-29
Bill,
The support is excellent despite the free upgrades for life. I'm not
sure exactly how they do it, bit they do it, and that's what counts.
I have used only the trial version so far, but I am very much satisfied
with it and the support I have gotten from them in that short time.
Version 2 will be coming out soon, and as soon as it does, I'm buying
the full version. I'm only waiting because I'm waiting on funding from
my income tax refund. Otherwise, I'd just get the current version and
get the upgrade free when it is released. And just as an FYI, version 2
was supposed to be released earlier this month, but they wanted to do
some more testing to iron out as many bugs and details as possible before
releasing it. I'd call that dedication and attention to detail. I know
I'll be satisfied with Mikrobasic because I've used it and I like it.
In addition, I also own PIC BASIC PRO. It's okay too. It has lots of
builtin functions, but not many libraries (that I've seen anyway).
If I had my choice, (and I do), I'd go with Mikrobasic (Which I have/will).
Hope this helps you out some. Good Luck. Regards,
Jim
> I don't see how the support would be any good if they don't charge for
> upgrades for life.
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: p_c_vincent
> Date: 04/28/05 17:52:14
> To: piclist@picl...
> Subject: [piclist] Re: PicBasic Pro v. MBasic...
>
> personaly i would say dont get either i tryed them both and was
> dissapointed i now use mikroBasic by mikroElektronika its awesome i
> payed about 86 GBP and thats it, free upgrades for life and
> excellent customer service via a forum email etc they have a free
> download that only limits the hex code to 2k so you can try out all
> the examples there is a good maunal and a free online book and
> project downloads you would be mad not to give it a look,
>
> within an hour i had a 16F877A and a 16F84A hooked up to a lcd
> displaying the speed of a pwm driven motor, the code took 10 mins
the
> rest was soldering wires etc
>
> They do C, Pascal, basic
>
> http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/index.htm
>
> im not connected in anyway im just a total fan it realy is that good > --- In piclist@picl..., Malcolm <malcolm.crabbe@n...> wrote:
>> Try downloading the demos or manuals and examples for each product
> and
>> make a decision. I personally couldn't afford to buy both to
> evaluate,
>> and I don't think many would change one for another.
>>
>> The thing is there are other BASIC compilers out there, and there
> are
>> other languages that are equally as easy to use (and in the case
> of JAL
>> are free as well)
>>
>> Personally I like the look of MBASIC, However there are loads of
> IDE
>> interfaces for PicBASIC
>>
>> Malcolm
>>
>> clayforge wrote:
>>
>> > Has anyone used PicBasic Pro by MeLabs) and MBasic Pro (by Basic
>> > Micro)? How do the two compare? I can afford to get one or the
>> > other, and obviously want the better of the two products. By
> better,
>> > I mean easier to use, value for the money, more powerful.
>> >
>> > Please do not bother listing all of the other available Basic
>> > compilers. I have compared and contrasted and these are the
> front
>> > runners in my search.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the
>> > instructions
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Reply by ●April 29, 20052005-04-29
product support is great they are in
the process of releasing version 2 a big update lots of new built in functions
bug fixes all of which came from the forum they asked us what we wanted to see
in version 2 via the forum they put it in , your questions get answerd
by the people that actualy write the code, just because they dont rip us off
with constant charges for updates (pay or get left behind) is no measure of
the quality of customer service just look at MPLAB from picmicro a very
substantional piece of software constantly updated do they charge ? do they even
charge for the software to begin with ? no and no so dose that meen Microchip
gives crap support ? my PicKit1 flash starter kit was only 20 the upgrades are
free
customer support is more than weather you
pay for upgrades or not , its how the vendor interacts with the customer to
provide help, information or solutions to problems, and on that score
i'm impressed with mikroBasic all i can say is download the trial read the
forum see for yourself :)
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