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NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.

Started by Jonathan Dumaresq September 16, 2008
Hi all,

I wonder what is the NAND flash you use in a design with an at91sam7s parts
?

Size, brand etc...

We are looking to put 1 Nand on our design but this is the first time we do
this. We have always put dataflash and not nand.

Regards

jonathan

Hello,
With regard to using the FLASH through SPI interface, I have tried using a few, amongst them, "AT45DB321" and "AT45DB642". I think the latter is only available in MLF pinout. About the size, the MLFparts are much smaller, but the 28 pin TSOP, the 8 pin SOIC and the 8 pin MLF.
I have not tries these with SAM7S, but assume they work through the SPI.
Maziar

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jonathan Dumaresq wrote:
From: Jonathan Dumaresq
Subject: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.
To: A...
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:50 AM

Hi all,

I wonder what is the NAND flash you use in a design with an at91sam7s parts

?

Size, brand etc...

We are looking to put 1 Nand on our design but this is the first time we do

this. We have always put dataflash and not nand.

Regards

jonathan
HI,

Those memory are not Nand Flash I think. They are DataFlash. More expensive
also.

I could be wrong though

Jonathan

_____

De : A... [mailto:A...] De la part de
Maziar Tasbihi
Envoy: 16 septembre 2008 12:18
: A...
Objet : Re: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.

Hello,
With regard to using the FLASH through SPI interface, I have tried using a
few, amongst them, "AT45DB321" and "AT45DB642". I think the latter is only
available in MLF pinout. About the size, the MLFparts are much smaller, but
the 28 pin TSOP, the 8 pin SOIC and the 8 pin MLF.
I have not tries these with SAM7S, but assume they work through the SPI.
Maziar

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jonathan Dumaresq wrote:

From: Jonathan Dumaresq
Subject: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.
To: A...
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:50 AM

Hi all,

I wonder what is the NAND flash you use in a design with an at91sam7s parts
?

Size, brand etc...

We are looking to put 1 Nand on our design but this is the first time we do
this. We have always put dataflash and not nand.

Regards

jonathan
Hi there,
You are right, and I suggested Data Flash instead of the Nand Flash. But actually I think that they are simple to use and for my local market readily available, I do't know where to find Nand flash, but actually you got me interested, and I will look for some next time. About being expensive, I think the dataflash which is also available in the capacities of 4 Gigabytes, if you donot like the parts I mentioned in last post, and they are not certainly expensive, because the same pieces are readily used as storage on the mobile devices and handys.
With regards.
--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Jonathan Dumaresq wrote:
From: Jonathan Dumaresq
Subject: RE: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.
To: A...
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 5:20 AM

HI,



Those memory are not Nand
Flash I think. They are DataFlash. More expensive also.



I could be wrong though



Jonathan



De: AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com [mailto: AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com ] De la part de Maziar Tasbihi

Envoy 16 septembre 2008
12:18

: AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com

Objet: Re: [AT91SAM] NAND
flash to use with sam7s parts.



Hello,

With regard to using the FLASH through SPI interface, I have tried using a
few, amongst them, "AT45DB321" and "AT45DB642". I think
the latter is only available in MLF pinout. About the size, the MLFparts are
much smaller, but the 28 pin TSOP, the 8 pin SOIC and the 8 pin MLF.

I have not tries these with SAM7S, but assume they work through the SPI.

Maziar

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jonathan Dumaresq
wrote:
From: Jonathan Dumaresq


Subject: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.

To: AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:50 AM

Hi all,

I wonder what is the NAND flash you use in a design with an at91sam7s parts

?

Size, brand etc...

We are looking to put 1 Nand on our design but this is the first time we do

this. We have always put dataflash and not nand.

Regards

jonathan
NAND requires either a dedicated controller or filesystem software interface.

Physically the NAND can be accessed through the GPIO pins, the complexity comes in the handling of bad sectors and wear leveling.

I've used NAND directly to CPU running in linux, see: http://www.yaffs.net/

You might be able to make that driver work in OSless environments, probably some work though.

-Allen Middleton
EDI

----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Dumaresq
To: A...
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 7:20 AM
Subject: RE: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.

HI,

Those memory are not Nand Flash I think. They are DataFlash. More expensive also.

I could be wrong though

Jonathan

------

De : A... [mailto:A...] De la part de Maziar Tasbihi
Envoy: 16 septembre 2008 12:18
: A...
Objet : Re: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.

Hello,
With regard to using the FLASH through SPI interface, I have tried using a few, amongst them, "AT45DB321" and "AT45DB642". I think the latter is only available in MLF pinout. About the size, the MLFparts are much smaller, but the 28 pin TSOP, the 8 pin SOIC and the 8 pin MLF.
I have not tries these with SAM7S, but assume they work through the SPI.
Maziar

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jonathan Dumaresq wrote:

From: Jonathan Dumaresq
Subject: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.
To: A...
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:50 AM

Hi all,

I wonder what is the NAND flash you use in a design with an at91sam7s parts
?

Size, brand etc...

We are looking to put 1 Nand on our design but this is the first time we do
this. We have always put dataflash and not nand.

Regards

jonathan
On Thursday 18 September 2008 02:50:41 Maziar Tasbihi wrote:
> Hi there,
> You are right, and I suggested Data Flash instead of the Nand Flash. But
> actually I think that they are simple to use and for my local market
> readily available, I do't know where to find Nand flash, but actually you
> got me interested, and I will look for some next time. About being
> expensive, I think the dataflash which is also available in the capacities
> of 4 Gigabytes, if you donot like the parts I mentioned in last post, and
> they are not certainly expensive, because the same pieces are readily used
> as storage on the mobile devices and handys. With regards.
Dataflash only goes up to 8MBytes according to the atmel product guide.
NAND flash goes up to far higher densities and is far cheaper.
> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Jonathan Dumaresq wrote:
> From: Jonathan Dumaresq
> Subject: RE: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.
> To: A...
> Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 5:20 AM
>
> HI,
>
>  
>
> Those memory are not Nand
> Flash I think. They are DataFlash. More expensive also.
>
>  
>
> I could be wrong though
>
>  
>
> Jonathan
>
>  
>
> De : AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com [mailto: AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com ] De la
> part de Maziar Tasbihi
>
> Envoyé : 16 septembre 2008
> 12:18
>
> À : AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com
>
> Objet : Re: [AT91SAM] NAND
> flash to use with sam7s parts.
>
>  
> Hello,
>
> With regard to using the FLASH through SPI interface, I have tried using
> a few, amongst them, "AT45DB321" and "AT45DB642". I think
> the latter is only available in MLF pinout. About the size, the MLFparts
> are much smaller, but the 28 pin TSOP, the 8 pin SOIC and the 8 pin MLF.
>
> I have not tries these with SAM7S, but assume they work through the SPI.
>
> Maziar
>
> --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jonathan Dumaresq
> wrote:
> From: Jonathan Dumaresq
> Subject: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.
>
> To: AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com
>
> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:50 AM
> Hi all,
>
> I wonder what is the NAND flash you use in a design with an at91sam7s
> parts
>
> ?
>
> Size, brand etc...
>
> We are looking to put 1 Nand on our design but this is the first time we
> do
>
> this. We have always put dataflash and not nand.
>
> Regards
>
> jonathan

Hi there,
You are right, the dataflash is is only available in much lower capacities than NAND flash. However, if the read-write speed matters, then I guess there is no other way and NAND has to be used. But if the speed does not matter, we can simply use the dataflash units available in the SD-MMC cards. I am actually going to do this at the moment, and this should be easy.
What is difficult with the NAND is making sure about the model and part that is ok to work with, and this is not easily available. Do you have some available NAND units to go with the AT91SAM7x ?
Regards.

----- Original Message ----
From: Charles Manning
To: A...
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.
On Thursday 18 September 2008 02:50:41 Maziar Tasbihi wrote:
> Hi there,
> You are right, and I suggested Data Flash instead of the Nand Flash. But
> actually I think that they are simple to use and for my local market
> readily available, I do't know where to find Nand flash, but actually you
> got me interested, and I will look for some next time. About being
> expensive, I think the dataflash which is also available in the capacities
> of 4 Gigabytes, if you donot like the parts I mentioned in last post, and
> they are not certainly expensive, because the same pieces are readily used
> as storage on the mobile devices and handys. With regards.

Dataflash only goes up to 8MBytes according to the atmel product guide.
NAND flash goes up to far higher densities and is far cheaper.

> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Jonathan Dumaresq wrote:
> From: Jonathan Dumaresq
> Subject: RE: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.
> To: AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 5:20 AM
>
> HI,
>
>
>
> Those memory are not Nand
> Flash I think. They are DataFlash. More expensive also.
>
>
>
> I could be wrong though
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> De : AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com [mailto: AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com ] De la
> part de Maziar Tasbihi
>
> Envoy: 16 septembre 2008
> 12:18
>
> : AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com
>
> Objet : Re: [AT91SAM] NAND
> flash to use with sam7s parts.
>
>
> Hello,
>
> With regard to using the FLASH through SPI interface, I have tried using
> a few, amongst them, "AT45DB321" and "AT45DB642". I think
> the latter is only available in MLF pinout. About the size, the MLFparts
> are much smaller, but the 28 pin TSOP, the 8 pin SOIC and the 8 pin MLF.
>
> I have not tries these with SAM7S, but assume they work through the SPI.
>
> Maziar
>
> --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jonathan Dumaresq
> wrote:
> From: Jonathan Dumaresq
> Subject: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.
>
> To: AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com
>
> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:50 AM
> Hi all,
>
> I wonder what is the NAND flash you use in a design with an at91sam7s
> parts
>
> ?
>
> Size, brand etc...
>
> We are looking to put 1 Nand on our design but this is the first time we
> do
>
> this. We have always put dataflash and not nand.
>
> Regards
>
> jonathan
HI,

Yeah i have done some project with sd/mmc card and its pretty stratforwed.
But Now for a 2gig and up, we think about using the NAND flash. Right now I
have no idea of part number to use.

Jonathan

_____

De : A... [mailto:A...] De la part de
Maziar Tasbihi
Envoy: 26 septembre 2008 04:40
: A...
Objet : Re: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.

Hi there,
You are right, the dataflash is is only available in much lower capacities
than NAND flash. However, if the read-write speed matters, then I guess
there is no other way and NAND has to be used. But if the speed does not
matter, we can simply use the dataflash units available in the SD-MMC cards.
I am actually going to do this at the moment, and this should be easy.
What is difficult with the NAND is making sure about the model and part that
is ok to work with, and this is not easily available. Do you have some
available NAND units to go with the AT91SAM7x ?
Regards.

----- Original Message ----
From: Charles Manning
To: A...
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.

On Thursday 18 September 2008 02:50:41 Maziar Tasbihi wrote:
> Hi there,
> You are right, and I suggested Data Flash instead of the Nand Flash. But
> actually I think that they are simple to use and for my local market
> readily available, I do't know where to find Nand flash, but actually you
> got me interested, and I will look for some next time. About being
> expensive, I think the dataflash which is also available in the capacities
> of 4 Gigabytes, if you donot like the parts I mentioned in last post, and
> they are not certainly expensive, because the same pieces are readily used
> as storage on the mobile devices and handys. With regards.

Dataflash only goes up to 8MBytes according to the atmel product guide.
NAND flash goes up to far higher densities and is far cheaper.

> --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Jonathan Dumaresq > wrote:
> From: Jonathan Dumaresq >
> Subject: RE: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.
> To: AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 5:20 AM
>
> HI,
>
>
>
> Those memory are not Nand
> Flash I think. They are DataFlash. More expensive also.
>
>
>
> I could be wrong though
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> De : AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com [mailto: AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com ] De la
> part de Maziar Tasbihi
>
> Envoy: 16 septembre 2008
> 12:18
>
> : AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com
>
> Objet : Re: [AT91SAM] NAND
> flash to use with sam7s parts.
>
>
> Hello,
>
> With regard to using the FLASH through SPI interface, I have tried using
> a few, amongst them, "AT45DB321" and "AT45DB642". I think
> the latter is only available in MLF pinout. About the size, the MLFparts
> are much smaller, but the 28 pin TSOP, the 8 pin SOIC and the 8 pin MLF.
>
> I have not tries these with SAM7S, but assume they work through the SPI.
>
> Maziar
>
> --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Jonathan Dumaresq
> wrote:
> From: Jonathan Dumaresq
> Subject: [AT91SAM] NAND flash to use with sam7s parts.
>
> To: AT91SAM@yahoogroups .com
>
> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:50 AM
> Hi all,
>
> I wonder what is the NAND flash you use in a design with an at91sam7s
> parts
>
> ?
>
> Size, brand etc...
>
> We are looking to put 1 Nand on our design but this is the first time we
> do
>
> this. We have always put dataflash and not nand.
>
> Regards
>
> jonathan