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Hi!
Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB
and it has to bee ready to send to manufacture by next week... :/
Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their
library since 2002 on Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none...
//Fredrik ************************************************************************** Krooksgraden.se ************************************************************************* |
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18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD?
Started by ●January 17, 2004
Reply by ●January 17, 20042004-01-17
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Fredrik Krook" <> To: <> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:03 PM Subject: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD? Hi! Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it has to bee ready to send to manufacture by next week... :/ Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library since 2002 on Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none... It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like that with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with Protel. Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin names as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. Leon -- Leon Heller, G1HSM Email: My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system: http://webspace.webring.com/people/jl/leon_heller//lpc2104.html |
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Reply by ●January 17, 20042004-01-17
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Hmm... My skills in making new components and place them in a library
arnt that good... Iv tried but the result is bad.... My question was if someone had these allready made... //Fredrik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Heller" <> To: <> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fredrik Krook" <> > To: <> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:03 PM > Subject: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE > PCB-CAD? > Hi! > > Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it has to bee ready to > send to manufacture by next week... :/ > > Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library since 2002 on > Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none... > > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like that > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with Protel. > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin names > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. > > Leon > -- > Leon Heller, G1HSM > Email: > My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system: > http://webspace.webring.com/people/jl/leon_heller//lpc2104.html > > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the instructions ************************************************************************** Krooksgraden.se ************************************************************************* |
Reply by ●January 17, 20042004-01-17
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Hi, Making new symbols and footprints in Protel is easy once you're OK with the basics of the editor. I have a custom library where I add all the footprints and schematic symbols that I create, so they're all in one place and easily found. If you have the footprint drawings in the Microchip datasheet, just create a pad which is a bit larger than the PIC's pins - I usually make them a bit "longer" so that they are easier to solder by hand if you need to. Start with pin number 1 - just add the pad in the footprint editor. Double-click on it, you can change the size and position - make the position of pin 1 zero in both X and Y. That way, you can refer to the drawings' dimension lines and work out all the other pin positions from there on. There is also a tool to create an array of pins, which also lets you re-number them as they are created - make use of it, but bear in mind that the pin that you make the array from will also be duplicated, so for example, if you array pin 1, you'll have two pin 1s superimposed, just delete one of them. Once you have the footprint, you can create the schematic symbol. Just number each pin you draw the same as the pin on the footprint, add the saved footprint's name to the symbol's footprint list, save all and you're done. Good luck, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fredrik Krook" <> To: <> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD? > Hmm... My skills in making new components and place them in a library arnt > that good... Iv tried but the result is bad.... > > My question was if someone had these allready made... > > //Fredrik > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leon Heller" <> > To: <> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE > PCB-CAD? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fredrik Krook" <> > > To: <> > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:03 PM > > Subject: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE > > PCB-CAD? > > > > > > Hi! > > > > Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it has to bee ready to > > send to manufacture by next week... :/ > > > > Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library since 2002 on > > Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none... > > > > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like > that > > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with > Protel. > > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin > names > > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. > > > > Leon > > -- > > Leon Heller, G1HSM > > Email: > > My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system: > > http://webspace.webring.com/people/jl/leon_heller//lpc2104.html > > > > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the > instructions > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************** > Krooksgraden.se > ************************************************************************* > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the instructions > > |
Reply by ●January 18, 20042004-01-18
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Hi! Thanks! Ill have a try at it... //Fredrik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Puchol" <> To: <> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD? > Hi, > > Making new symbols and footprints in Protel is easy once you're OK with the > basics of the editor. I have a custom library where I add all the footprints > and schematic symbols that I create, so they're all in one place and easily > found. > > If you have the footprint drawings in the Microchip datasheet, just create a > pad which is a bit larger than the PIC's pins - I usually make them a bit > "longer" so that they are easier to solder by hand if you need to. Start > with pin number 1 - just add the pad in the footprint editor. Double-click > on it, you can change the size and position - make the position of pin 1 > zero in both X and Y. That way, you can refer to the drawings' dimension > lines and work out all the other pin positions from there on. There is also > a tool to create an array of pins, which also lets you re-number them as > they are created - make use of it, but bear in mind that the pin that you > make the array from will also be duplicated, so for example, if you array > pin 1, you'll have two pin 1s superimposed, just delete one of them. > > Once you have the footprint, you can create the schematic symbol. Just > number each pin you draw the same as the pin on the footprint, add the saved > footprint's name to the symbol's footprint list, save all and you're done. > > Good luck, > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fredrik Krook" <> > To: <> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE > PCB-CAD? > > Hmm... My skills in making new components and place them in a library > arnt > > that good... Iv tried but the result is bad.... > > > > My question was if someone had these allready made... > > > > //Fredrik > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Leon Heller" <> > > To: <> > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE > > PCB-CAD? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Fredrik Krook" <> > > > To: <> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:03 PM > > > Subject: [piclist] 18F8720 symbols and footprints for PROTEL or EAGLE > > > PCB-CAD? > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > Does anyone have these??? I need to make a PCB and it has to bee ready > to > > > send to manufacture by next week... :/ > > > > > > Eagle have none... Protel havent updated their library since 2002 on > > > Microchipsdevices and MChip them selves have none... > > > > > > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like > > that > > > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with > > Protel. > > > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin > > names > > > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. > > > > > > Leon > > > -- > > > Leon Heller, G1HSM > > > Email: > > > My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system: > > > http://webspace.webring.com/people/jl/leon_heller//lpc2104.html > > > > > > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the > > instructions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************** > > Krooksgraden.se > > ************************************************************************* > > > > > > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the > instructions > > > > > > > > > > to unsubscribe, go to http://www.yahoogroups.com and follow the instructions ************************************************************************** Krooksgraden.se ************************************************************************* |
Reply by ●January 18, 20042004-01-18
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> > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part like that > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer with Protel. > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the pin names > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. I've tried Eagle and found it counter-intuitive, tried Protel and some of the others demo versions and then came to WinQCad as the simple one to use. Is there a review of these programs that list the benefits and problems ? I like WinQCad for the simplicty of the schematic layout and how easy it is to make parts for the library. I also like the Autotrace feature, but that lacks the ability to modify traces and then resume from that point. Dave |
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Reply by ●January 18, 20042004-01-18
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mucha" <> To: <> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: [piclist] Re: PROTEL or EAGLE PCB-CAD - comparisons ??? > > > > > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part > like that > > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer > with Protel. > > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the > pin names > > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. > I've tried Eagle and found it counter-intuitive, tried Protel and > some of the others demo versions and then came to WinQCad as the > simple one to use. > > Is there a review of these programs that list the benefits and > problems ? > > I like WinQCad for the simplicty of the schematic layout and how easy > it is to make parts for the library. I also like the Autotrace > feature, but that lacks the ability to modify traces and then resume > from that point. Have a look at EasyPC (http://www.numberone.com) and Pulsonix (http://www.pulsonix.com). Pulsonix is the pro product (same co.). Both the autorouters allow you to stop, route manually and then resume autorouting. Both products are very reliable and easy to use: the Yahoo Pulsonix group I formed gets very little use. I used EasyPC for years and am a beta tester for Pulsonix. Leon -- Leon Heller, G1HSM Email: My low-cost Philips LPC210x ARM development system: http://webspace.webring.com/people/jl/leon_heller//lpc2104.html |
Reply by ●January 18, 20042004-01-18
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Eagle is a total PITA to learn. Its like the anti-UI. However, once you figure it out its incredibly powerfull and most circuit board houses take Eagle files directly. I can create a complex part in Eagle in about the same 20 minutes. Especially if there is already a part drawing in a lib somewhere (which there is for most PICs). --- In , "Dave Mucha" <davemucha@j...> wrote: > > > > > It would probably take me 20 minutes to create a new library part > like that > > with the Pulsonix software I use, it shouldn't take much longer > with Protel. > > Eagle is probably harder. Most of that time will be typing in the > pin names > > as there are wizards to create the footprint and schematic symbols. > > > I've tried Eagle and found it counter-intuitive, tried Protel and > some of the others demo versions and then came to WinQCad as the > simple one to use. > > Is there a review of these programs that list the benefits and > problems ? > > I like WinQCad for the simplicty of the schematic layout and how easy > it is to make parts for the library. I also like the Autotrace > feature, but that lacks the ability to modify traces and then resume > from that point. > > Dave |
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Reply by ●January 18, 20042004-01-18
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> Eagle is a total PITA to learn. Its like the anti-UI. However, once > you figure it out its incredibly powerfull and most circuit board > houses take Eagle files directly. I agree on all (three) points. The problem is that IMHO the eagle interface is optimized for an experienced user, which is not exactly the same as optimized for a new user to learn! Wouter van Ooijen -- ------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products |
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Reply by ●January 18, 20042004-01-18
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I'm not disagreeing with you but it is very feasible to build a UI that is both easy to learn and has power for the experienced user. I get cranky when I have to relearn eagle after a month or 2 hiatus. I think eagle's UI evolved from a command line interface (it feels that way to me) and thus the GUI was sort of bolted on later. Phil --- In , "Wouter van Ooijen" <wouter@v...> wrote: > > Eagle is a total PITA to learn. Its like the anti-UI. However, once > > you figure it out its incredibly powerfull and most circuit board > > houses take Eagle files directly. > > I agree on all (three) points. The problem is that IMHO the eagle > interface is optimized for an experienced user, which is not exactly the > same as optimized for a new user to learn! > > Wouter van Ooijen > > -- ------- > Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl > consultancy, development, PICmicro products |
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