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Started by Bob White October 10, 2003
I'm trying to hook my laptop up to my target, so I got a new USB adapter
from P&E. I found the drivers on their web site, so now the laptop knows it
is there. But MetrowerksCodeWorriorTrueTimeSimulatorandDebugger doesn't
know how to talk to it. Evidently, it needs a target or something. When I
tell it to use the ICD 12 (P&E) target setting, that worked with Cable12, it
says it can't connect. Has anyone used USB with CW?

I'm using CW ver 1.2 (that was hard enough to make work that I didn't want
to go through that again with V. 2.0). My laptop is running XP Pro (only
because I can't put 98SE on it). As you can tell, I am tired of having to
upgrade to new stuff that gives me no increased utility, and it is Friday
afternoon.

Thanks,
Bob White



Bob,
I think that you need CW3.0. That's the combination I'm using.
bruce.
--- In , "Bob White" <bob@w...> wrote:
> I'm trying to hook my laptop up to my target, so I got a new USB adapter
> from P&E. I found the drivers on their web site, so now the laptop
knows it
> is there. But MetrowerksCodeWorriorTrueTimeSimulatorandDebugger doesn't
> know how to talk to it. Evidently, it needs a target or something.
When I
> tell it to use the ICD 12 (P&E) target setting, that worked with
Cable12, it
> says it can't connect. Has anyone used USB with CW?
>
> I'm using CW ver 1.2 (that was hard enough to make work that I
didn't want
> to go through that again with V. 2.0). My laptop is running XP Pro
(only
> because I can't put 98SE on it). As you can tell, I am tired of
having to
> upgrade to new stuff that gives me no increased utility, and it is
Friday
> afternoon.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob White




Hi bruce,

I take it you're not kidding. They have a 3.0? How does one go about
making it work. Will my old license file bring it alive, or do I have to
buy it again?

Thanks,
Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce McMillan" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:43 PM
Subject: [68HC12] Re: P&E USB multilink Bob,
I think that you need CW3.0. That's the combination I'm using.
bruce.
--- In , "Bob White" <bob@w...> wrote:
> I'm trying to hook my laptop up to my target, so I got a new USB adapter
> from P&E. I found the drivers on their web site, so now the laptop
knows it
> is there. But MetrowerksCodeWorriorTrueTimeSimulatorandDebugger doesn't
> know how to talk to it. Evidently, it needs a target or something.
When I
> tell it to use the ICD 12 (P&E) target setting, that worked with
Cable12, it
> says it can't connect. Has anyone used USB with CW?
>
> I'm using CW ver 1.2 (that was hard enough to make work that I
didn't want
> to go through that again with V. 2.0). My laptop is running XP Pro
(only
> because I can't put 98SE on it). As you can tell, I am tired of
having to
> upgrade to new stuff that gives me no increased utility, and it is
Friday
> afternoon.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob White
--------------------
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Hi Bob,

Have you considered using a BDM with USB that works with its own
User-Interface software?
This will allow you to continue using the current version 1.2 of Code
Warrior as your compiler.

Some of the available BDMs + User Interfaces are more robust, feature reach
and easy to use than the one you are using.

You can look at BDMs from Nohau that I represent, as well as iSystem,
Lauterbach and Noral as good candidates.

Hope this helps,
Doron
Nohau Corporation
HC12 In-Circuit Emulators
www.nohau.com/emul12pc.html

At 17:04 10/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi bruce,
>
>I take it you're not kidding. They have a 3.0? How does one go about
>making it work. Will my old license file bring it alive, or do I have to
>buy it again?
>
>Thanks,
>Bob
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bruce McMillan" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:43 PM
>Subject: [68HC12] Re: P&E USB multilink >Bob,
>I think that you need CW3.0. That's the combination I'm using.
>bruce.
>--- In , "Bob White" <bob@w...> wrote:
> > I'm trying to hook my laptop up to my target, so I got a new USB adapter
> > from P&E. I found the drivers on their web site, so now the laptop
>knows it
> > is there. But MetrowerksCodeWorriorTrueTimeSimulatorandDebugger doesn't
> > know how to talk to it. Evidently, it needs a target or something.
> When I
> > tell it to use the ICD 12 (P&E) target setting, that worked with
>Cable12, it
> > says it can't connect. Has anyone used USB with CW?
> >
> > I'm using CW ver 1.2 (that was hard enough to make work that I
>didn't want
> > to go through that again with V. 2.0). My laptop is running XP Pro
>(only
> > because I can't put 98SE on it). As you can tell, I am tired of
>having to
> > upgrade to new stuff that gives me no increased utility, and it is
>Friday
> > afternoon.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob White




Hi Bob,

You could try installing the free version of Codewarrior 3 in another directory on your
hard drive, then in the "Build extras" of the target settings, modify the path name for the
external debugger so that it launches the Version 3 of Hiwave.exe (in the prog directory
of CW3).
At least this combination works for compiling with version 2 and flashing via USB
Multilink 3

Good Luck!
Robert

--- In , "Bob White" <bob@w...> wrote:
> Hi bruce,
>
> I take it you're not kidding. They have a 3.0? How does one go about
> making it work. Will my old license file bring it alive, or do I have to
> buy it again?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce McMillan" <bruce_at_pocket_neurobics@y...>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:43 PM
> Subject: [68HC12] Re: P&E USB multilink > Bob,
> I think that you need CW3.0. That's the combination I'm using.
> bruce.
> --- In , "Bob White" <bob@w...> wrote:
> > I'm trying to hook my laptop up to my target, so I got a new USB adapter
> > from P&E. I found the drivers on their web site, so now the laptop
> knows it
> > is there. But MetrowerksCodeWorriorTrueTimeSimulatorandDebugger doesn't
> > know how to talk to it. Evidently, it needs a target or something.
> When I
> > tell it to use the ICD 12 (P&E) target setting, that worked with
> Cable12, it
> > says it can't connect. Has anyone used USB with CW?
> >
> > I'm using CW ver 1.2 (that was hard enough to make work that I
> didn't want
> > to go through that again with V. 2.0). My laptop is running XP Pro
> (only
> > because I can't put 98SE on it). As you can tell, I am tired of
> having to
> > upgrade to new stuff that gives me no increased utility, and it is
> Friday
> > afternoon.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob White >
> -------------------- >
> ">http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/






Hi Bob.
Just to confirm that the support for P&E USB Multilink cables appears with
CodeWarrior for HC(S)12 V 3.0.
Regards,
Gilles At 12:18 AM 10/11/2003, you wrote:
>I'm trying to hook my laptop up to my target, so I got a new USB adapter
>from P&E. I found the drivers on their web site, so now the laptop knows it
>is there. But MetrowerksCodeWorriorTrueTimeSimulatorandDebugger doesn't
>know how to talk to it. Evidently, it needs a target or something. When I
>tell it to use the ICD 12 (P&E) target setting, that worked with Cable12, it
>says it can't connect. Has anyone used USB with CW?
>
>I'm using CW ver 1.2 (that was hard enough to make work that I didn't want
>to go through that again with V. 2.0). My laptop is running XP Pro (only
>because I can't put 98SE on it). As you can tell, I am tired of having to
>upgrade to new stuff that gives me no increased utility, and it is Friday
>afternoon.
>
>Thanks,
>Bob White >
>-------------------- >
>">http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/




Hello

I have to agree with Doron.

I can't tell you how many engineers I have seen fixing issues in their low
cost or poorly designed tools rather than working on getting their own
projects done. There is a whole different world out there - companies that
don't mind spending a few bucks to increase the productivity of their
engineers - and that is the bottom line here. Maybe software engineers in
India are low paid enough to waste time trying to find problems rather than
buying good tools....but not here. Whatever you can do to boost your
productivity will pay you handsomely in the end...and maybe preserve your
jobs.

I have the USB adapter for the Nohua HC12 emulator and it works first time
every time. Always did. So does the parallel port version. Even on my
new Toshiba laptop. I know the other higher end emulators work just fine
too. This emulator (and the others) will accept just about any output
format of any compiler (most like Elf-Dwarf) made - the only exception I
know is a low end compiler that people use with low end BDMs. And the
debuggers are generally better than the ones the compiler folks make.
Compiler makers are best at compilers and debugger companies are best at
debuggers. The way it is.
I can single step through C code lines as well as assembly. Can all
debuggers do this ?

Good tools cost money to develop, manufacture, maintain and to support.
All that extra money doesn't go for Lotnar Lauterbach's elegant Bavarian
Schloss (German for castle), or Steve Russell's private steam locomotive
collection or Doron's opulant diamond-studded villa on the
Mediterranean....it goes for all those things I mention. That is why they
get their stuff working fast and they respond to their customer's problems.
They are paid well enough to be properly motivated.

I could go on and on but here are a few examples I have seen:

1)
I helped a big auto firm in Mexico find a bug in their C167 project that
they had been chasing for more than a month in a few minutes ! The problem
clearly showed up in the trace memory - immediately. I even surprised
myself.

2)
A guy with a small engineering company (5 people I think) bought a new
Hitex emulator - I remarked that this was quite an investment for him and
he said: "Are you kidding ? I am too small not to have good tools, I can't
afford any delays".

3)
A famous truck and car company in Detroit bought Doron's BC32 full
emulator. I saw the head engineer at trade show a number of months later
and asked how he made out - he beamed at me and said that Doron's emulator
chopped 6 weeks off his development time ! Whatever that emulator cost was
nothing compared to this savings. You shouldn't need an MBA to figure that
one out. This was an engine controller module that many of you are
probably driving around right now.

4)
I visited a very famous company in Silicon Valley last year as a consultant
- the young just-out-of-engineering-school team was getting ready to
redesign their flagship product using the ARM controller. They selected
the GNU tools and were intent on using the GNU debugger and so on - all
unsupported of course...but this is what they used in school and this is
what they wanted. GNU is great but support comes from USENET. So, they
did not purchase good tools. Later, I heard their manager found this out
and basically said "Oh no, you are not using that stuff here - we are going
to buy you real tools with real support". I heard they bought Signum
emulators and IAR compilers. (I think IAR).

I can give similar examples for compilers.

I work for the Dearborn Group and we sell higher quality CAN analyzers and
such - we see the same thing. People want to buy quality products with
real support - at least those we like to deal with. One of our products is
$200 more than our competitors (he at $300) - but we sell a lot of them
because we put more features in them and some more quality. And we make
them and supprt them here in the USA. It is HC12 based by the way. B32
moving to the DP256.

So, look at some of the time that gets wasted in your company with low cost
tools and consider how quality pays off. You get what you pay for was true
in the old days and it is still true today. Not much has changed in that
regard and probably never will.

Respectfully

Bob Boys
Sunny Pasadena, California
Message text written by INTERNET:
>
Hi Bob,

Have you considered using a BDM with USB that works with its own
User-Interface software?
This will allow you to continue using the current version 1.2 of Code
Warrior as your compiler.

Some of the available BDMs + User Interfaces are more robust, feature reach

and easy to use than the one you are using.

You can look at BDMs from Nohau that I represent, as well as iSystem,
Lauterbach and Noral as good candidates.

Hope this helps,
Doron
Nohau Corporation
HC12 In-Circuit Emulators
www.nohau.com/emul12pc.html

At 17:04 10/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi bruce,
>
>I take it you're not kidding. They have a 3.0? How does one go about
>making it work. Will my old license file bring it alive, or do I have to
>buy it again?
>
>Thanks,
>Bob
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bruce McMillan" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:43 PM
>Subject: [68HC12] Re: P&E USB multilink >Bob,
>I think that you need CW3.0. That's the combination I'm using.
>bruce.
>--- In , "Bob White" <bob@w...> wrote:
> > I'm trying to hook my laptop up to my target, so I got a new USB
adapter
> > from P&E. I found the drivers on their web site, so now the laptop
>knows it
> > is there. But MetrowerksCodeWorriorTrueTimeSimulatorandDebugger
doesn't
> > know how to talk to it. Evidently, it needs a target or something.
> When I
> > tell it to use the ICD 12 (P&E) target setting, that worked with
>Cable12, it
> > says it can't connect. Has anyone used USB with CW?
> >
> > I'm using CW ver 1.2 (that was hard enough to make work that I
>didn't want
> > to go through that again with V. 2.0). My laptop is running XP Pro
>(only
> > because I can't put 98SE on it). As you can tell, I am tired of
>having to
> > upgrade to new stuff that gives me no increased utility, and it is
>Friday
> > afternoon.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob White





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