PCB multiple designs surcharge

On Feb 14, 8:36=A0pm, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:35:20 -0800 (PST), linnix <m...@linnix.info-for.us=
> wrote:
> >On Feb 11, 9:54=A0pm, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 22:25:16 -0800 (PST), linnix <m...@linnix.info-for.=
us> wrote:
> >> >On Feb 7, 9:28=A0pm, don <don> wrote:
> >> >> linnix wrote:
> >> >> > On Feb 7, 4:28 pm, Tim Watts <t...@dionic.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> linnix <m...@linnix.info-for.us>
> >> >> >> =A0 wibbled on Monday 08 February 2010 00:18
>
> >> >> >>> In one case, I paid and submitted files. =A0They saw different
> >> >> >>> functional blocks and wanted to charge more. =A0I told them to =
cancel
> >> >> >>> the order and they back off. =A0Another fab's web says that the=
y are
> >> >> >>> trying to protect jobs by charging more and forcing designers t=
o
> >> >> >>> submit multiple orders. =A0By killing us (designers), I don't k=
now how
> >> >> >>> they can create more jobs for them.
> >> >> >> So does that mean if you created one board with a snap line (whe=
re the
> >> >> >> functional parts *could* (but needn't) be separated, they would =
charge more?
> >> >> >> Sounds very subjective - and a rather prehistoric and misguided =
charging
> >> >> >> approach. Reminds me of the RIAA/MPAA.
>
> >> >> > Yes, some say so explicitly, with or without snap line. =A0Usuall=
y, I
> >> >> > can negotiate it out, but I am tried of dealing with such nonsens=
e.
> >> >> > Am I the only one having these experiences?
>
> >> >> > By the way, I never have design issues with combined designs, exc=
ept
> >> >> > for money issues.
>
> >> >> No, you are not alone.
>
> >> >> 4pcb.com charges an extra $50 to step and repeat !!!
>
> >> >But I do all the shift, merge, step and repeat. =A0All else being
> >> >equal. =A0They charge $126 if I says it's 1 design, =A0$163 if 4 desi=
gns
> >> >and $315 if 8 designs. =A0They do exactly the same work regardless.
>
> >> Do i correctly understand that it is the exact same Gerbers and Excell=
on
> >> and soldermask and silk screen for all 8 cases? =A0And that they are o=
nly
> >> providing blank PCBs? =A0If so don't tell them.
>
> >Yes, you are correct. =A0They see different functional modules on the
> >PCB and want to charge more. =A0They don't have to do anything else with
> >the additional designs. =A0This usually cause delays on the job, so I
> >either pay or suffer the delay. =A0It's the industry's best kept dirty
> >secret.
>
> First, remind them just what you are paying them for.
> Then it is time to try some other vendors, just to find out.

Yeah, a coupla good approaches with 'negotitations' like this are to
ask them "If you were in my position, how would you feel about pricing
like this?"

also, "Why are you trying so hard to never do business with me again?"

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:51:44 -0800 (PST), the renowned 1 Lucky Texan
<alckytxn@swbell.net> wrote:

>On Feb 14, 8:36&#4294967295;pm, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> First, remind them just what you are paying them for.
>> Then it is time to try some other vendors, just to find out.
>
>Yeah, a coupla good approaches with 'negotitations' like this are to
>ask them "If you were in my position, how would you feel about pricing
>like this?"
>
>also, "Why are you trying so hard to never do business with me again?"

The nice thing about combined designs is that you're unlikely to be in
all that much of a hurry (otherwise you'd not have bothered combining)
so there is time to shop around or ask for a quotation then not place
the order if they don't want to do business. 


Best regards, 
Spehro Pefhany
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