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What is happening to Atmel EEPROMs?

Started by Peter March 25, 2010
They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks.

Yet, others are making them OK.

Are Atmel trying to get out of the business?
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On 25 Mar, 11:20, Peter <nos...@nospam9876.com> wrote:
> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks. > > Yet, others are making them OK. > > Are Atmel trying to get out of the business? > x----------x
They got rid of their fabs, and are now having to join the queue at TSMC or wherever they get their chips made. They are probably having to pay a lot more for them, because of demand for the manufacturing facilities. Microchip have their own fabs, and seem able to keep up with demand.
 Leon <leon355@btinternet.com> wrote:

>On 25 Mar, 11:20, Peter <nos...@nospam9876.com> wrote: >> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks. >> >> Yet, others are making them OK. >> >> Are Atmel trying to get out of the business? >> x----------x > >They got rid of their fabs, and are now having to join the queue at >TSMC or wherever they get their chips made. They are probably having >to pay a lot more for them, because of demand for the manufacturing >facilities. Microchip have their own fabs, and seem able to keep up >with demand.
Not a good reason to design-in an Atmel processor then... I have one running in production volumes but need to update it, and another was going to go in to replace a Hitachi uC. We were going to use the ATmega 128L. x----------x
"Peter" <nospam@nospam9876.com> wrote in message
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> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks. > > Yet, others are making them OK. > > Are Atmel trying to get out of the business? > x----------x
At one point Microchip was trying to buy Atmel. What ever happened to that?
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:19:46 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> >"Peter" <nospam@nospam9876.com> wrote in message >news:9lhmq5plg1gr3sduo9n52mdi5g6iiqucqc@4ax.com... >> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks. >> >> Yet, others are making them OK. >> >> Are Atmel trying to get out of the business? >> x----------x > >At one point Microchip was trying to buy Atmel. What ever happened to that?
It fell through. http://www.atmel.com/dyn/corporate/view_detail.asp?FileName=AtmelBoardofDirectorsResponse_10_29.html
"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message news:5elnq5d2ncjvs91v1cu5dmt5tbntuhefg3@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:19:46 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> >>"Peter" <nospam@nospam9876.com> wrote in message >>news:9lhmq5plg1gr3sduo9n52mdi5g6iiqucqc@4ax.com... >>> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks.
Is this limited to EEPROM/Memory only or uCPU as well? Definitely worth considering getting out of AVR. Do NPX ARM come with on-chip FLASH? M
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:52:33 +0100
"TheM" <DontNeedSpam@test.com> wrote:

> "Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message > news:5elnq5d2ncjvs91v1cu5dmt5tbntuhefg3@4ax.com... > > On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:19:46 -0800, "Bob Eld" > > <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> > >>"Peter" <nospam@nospam9876.com> wrote in message > >>news:9lhmq5plg1gr3sduo9n52mdi5g6iiqucqc@4ax.com... > >>> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks. > > Is this limited to EEPROM/Memory only or uCPU as well? > > Definitely worth considering getting out of AVR. > Do NPX ARM come with on-chip FLASH? > > M > >
If you're asking about the Cortex M3/M0 ones that they're price targeting to go head to head with the 8-bitters, then yes. Though they only have flash, they don't have the few bytes of EEPROM that the AVRs threw in. -- Rob Gaddi, Highland Technology Email address is currently out of order
 "TheM" <DontNeedSpam@test.com> wrote:

>"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message news:5elnq5d2ncjvs91v1cu5dmt5tbntuhefg3@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:19:46 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Peter" <nospam@nospam9876.com> wrote in message >>>news:9lhmq5plg1gr3sduo9n52mdi5g6iiqucqc@4ax.com... >>>> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks. > >Is this limited to EEPROM/Memory only or uCPU as well? > >Definitely worth considering getting out of AVR. >Do NPX ARM come with on-chip FLASH? > >M >
I simply cannot believe Atmel are going to drop all the AVR users in the sh*t. I've been in electronics design and manufacturing since the mid 1970s and have seen these "crises" so many times. At one time we used to buy a 74LS245 for 20 pence and months later they were &#2013266083;2.50 - a 12x rise. How did this happen? Did the whole world suddenly want a 74LS245? No. What happened is that there was an over-supply of 74LS (following, guess what, a previous price bump) and the prices plummetted. So the distis, being cynical bastards, sent out their sales reps to spread stories of "74LS going on allocation". "Allocation" is the word every buyer dreads because it means you don't get a lead time quoted, so basically you have to massively over-order, with several distis at the same time. The stock of course arrives, some months later, and then you are over-stocked for a few years ;) And the cycle repeats but the cynical bastard salesmen collected their commissions, left those companies, and are now marketing managers ;) So they never face the music. Currently, there is a lot of crap being spread around about Allocation yet again, and sure enough people are starting to buy into it, and lead times are growing. However, interestingly, we are likely to end up in a situation where our main products will be in two versions, one using the Hitachi H8/323 and the other using an Atmega128 (or whatever), but externally they will be exactly identical functionally. I have 5-10 year stock of the H8 in a safe, and will keep a similar stock of the ATmega. x----------x
"TheM" <DontNeedSpam@test.com> wrote:

>"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message news:5elnq5d2ncjvs91v1cu5dmt5tbntuhefg3@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:19:46 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Peter" <nospam@nospam9876.com> wrote in message >>>news:9lhmq5plg1gr3sduo9n52mdi5g6iiqucqc@4ax.com... >>>> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks. > >Is this limited to EEPROM/Memory only or uCPU as well? > >Definitely worth considering getting out of AVR. >Do NPX ARM come with on-chip FLASH?
Yes, all of them have 128 bit wide flash that allows zero waitstate execution at the maximum CPU clock. -- Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.) --------------------------------------------------------------
"Nico Coesel" <nico@puntnl.niks> wrote in message news:4bacf169.1721173156@news.planet.nl...
> "TheM" <DontNeedSpam@test.com> wrote: > >>"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message news:5elnq5d2ncjvs91v1cu5dmt5tbntuhefg3@4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:19:46 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Peter" <nospam@nospam9876.com> wrote in message >>>>news:9lhmq5plg1gr3sduo9n52mdi5g6iiqucqc@4ax.com... >>>>> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks. >> >>Is this limited to EEPROM/Memory only or uCPU as well? >> >>Definitely worth considering getting out of AVR. >>Do NPX ARM come with on-chip FLASH? > > Yes, all of them have 128 bit wide flash that allows zero waitstate > execution at the maximum CPU clock.
Not bad, I ordered a couple books on ARM off Amazon, may get into it finally. From what I see they are same price as AVR mega, low power and much faster. And NXP is very generous with samples. M