On 19.7.2016 г. 10:13, rickman wrote:> On 7/18/2016 11:50 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:01:40 -0400, rickman wrote: >> >>> On 7/18/2016 8:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote: >>>> ARM is about to be sold to a Japanese company: >>>> >>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36822806 >>>> >>>> As a Brit, it saddens me to see a British success story sold into >>>> foreign hands, but my real concern is about what the future might bring >>>> several years down the road. >>> >>> I read they expect to double the UK workforce, so not all bad. >>> >>> >>>> Questions currently going through my mind include whether ARM will >>>> still be able to perform R&D at their current rate and whether ARM's >>>> engineers will be outsourced in the future and replaced with lower >>>> quality staff. >>> >>> I doubt it. Would you pay billions for a working company and then mess >>> it up? Anyone who can raise billions is not stupid. >> >> History disagrees with you. Sometimes these things work out splendidly, >> sometimes they work horribly. Usually the people who make the initial >> deal make out like bandits ('cuz they're not stupid), but often the >> companies involved go down the tubes, leaving stockholders holding an >> empty bag. > > Your logic is very poor. History says things can go bad, but that is no > contradiction to what I said. >Your logic is not very good either though. Anybody who can make billions is not stupid - true. Not being stupid is by far not what it takes to do what ARM did so far though. It takes some extra talent. You don't know whether the guy with the billions has it. I expect things will slowly fall into their places, ARM 32 will stay in small MCU-s (it is just not fit for use in large ones as they use it), ARM 64 may or may not survive, time will tell (I don't know enough about it to make predictions). Dimiter
ARM about to be sold
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Reply by ●July 19, 20162016-07-19
Reply by ●July 19, 20162016-07-19
"tim..." <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:nmj1ju$p1v$1@dont-email.me...> > "Rob Gaddi" <rgaddi@highlandtechnology.invalid> wrote in message > news:nmj10n$mst$1@dont-email.me... >> rickman wrote: >> >>> On 7/18/2016 8:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote: >>> >>>> Questions currently going through my mind include whether ARM will >>>> still be able to perform R&D at their current rate and whether ARM's >>>> engineers will be outsourced in the future and replaced with lower >>>> quality staff. >>> >>> I doubt it. Would you pay billions for a working company and then mess >>> it up? Anyone who can raise billions is not stupid. >>> >> >> Oh, for a world in which that statement were true. > > Time Warner anyone :-) > > tim > > >Current CEO was in Pilkington Glass when it was sold. Great engineering making a profitable product. Sold to a Japanese company. CEO did not fit with the Japanese model. Now he is doing it again. Knighthood anyone?
Reply by ●July 19, 20162016-07-19
On 7/19/2016 3:23 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:> On 19.7.2016 г. 10:13, rickman wrote: >> On 7/18/2016 11:50 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:01:40 -0400, rickman wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/18/2016 8:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote: >>>>> ARM is about to be sold to a Japanese company: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36822806 >>>>> >>>>> As a Brit, it saddens me to see a British success story sold into >>>>> foreign hands, but my real concern is about what the future might >>>>> bring >>>>> several years down the road. >>>> >>>> I read they expect to double the UK workforce, so not all bad. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Questions currently going through my mind include whether ARM will >>>>> still be able to perform R&D at their current rate and whether ARM's >>>>> engineers will be outsourced in the future and replaced with lower >>>>> quality staff. >>>> >>>> I doubt it. Would you pay billions for a working company and then mess >>>> it up? Anyone who can raise billions is not stupid. >>> >>> History disagrees with you. Sometimes these things work out splendidly, >>> sometimes they work horribly. Usually the people who make the initial >>> deal make out like bandits ('cuz they're not stupid), but often the >>> companies involved go down the tubes, leaving stockholders holding an >>> empty bag. >> >> Your logic is very poor. History says things can go bad, but that is no >> contradiction to what I said. >> > > Your logic is not very good either though. Anybody who can make billions > is not stupid - true. > Not being stupid is by far not what it takes to do what ARM did so far > though. It takes some extra talent. > > You don't know whether the guy with the billions has it. > > I expect things will slowly fall into their places, ARM 32 will stay > in small MCU-s (it is just not fit for use in large ones as they use > it), ARM 64 may or may not survive, time will tell (I don't know enough > about it to make predictions).64 bit ARM designs are already rocking the world both in mobile apps and desktop. -- Rick C
Reply by ●July 19, 20162016-07-19
On 19.7.2016 г. 17:26, rickman wrote:> On 7/19/2016 3:23 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote: >> On 19.7.2016 г. 10:13, rickman wrote: >>> On 7/18/2016 11:50 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:01:40 -0400, rickman wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 7/18/2016 8:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote: >>>>>> ARM is about to be sold to a Japanese company: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36822806 >>>>>> >>>>>> As a Brit, it saddens me to see a British success story sold into >>>>>> foreign hands, but my real concern is about what the future might >>>>>> bring >>>>>> several years down the road. >>>>> >>>>> I read they expect to double the UK workforce, so not all bad. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Questions currently going through my mind include whether ARM will >>>>>> still be able to perform R&D at their current rate and whether ARM's >>>>>> engineers will be outsourced in the future and replaced with lower >>>>>> quality staff. >>>>> >>>>> I doubt it. Would you pay billions for a working company and then >>>>> mess >>>>> it up? Anyone who can raise billions is not stupid. >>>> >>>> History disagrees with you. Sometimes these things work out >>>> splendidly, >>>> sometimes they work horribly. Usually the people who make the initial >>>> deal make out like bandits ('cuz they're not stupid), but often the >>>> companies involved go down the tubes, leaving stockholders holding an >>>> empty bag. >>> >>> Your logic is very poor. History says things can go bad, but that is no >>> contradiction to what I said. >>> >> >> Your logic is not very good either though. Anybody who can make billions >> is not stupid - true. >> Not being stupid is by far not what it takes to do what ARM did so far >> though. It takes some extra talent. >> >> You don't know whether the guy with the billions has it. >> >> I expect things will slowly fall into their places, ARM 32 will stay >> in small MCU-s (it is just not fit for use in large ones as they use >> it), ARM 64 may or may not survive, time will tell (I don't know enough >> about it to make predictions). > > 64 bit ARM designs are already rocking the world both in mobile apps and > desktop. >Obviously I know that much, it just is not enough to base a prediction on it. I had a brief glance at the architecture 2-3 years ago and it looked OK, but I did not try to get to the details. At least this one has enough registers to be able to maintain a full pipeline (as far as I saw). Dimiter
Reply by ●July 26, 20162016-07-26
rickman wrote:> On 7/18/2016 8:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:<snip>> > I doubt it. Would you pay billions for a working company and then mess > it up? Anyone who can raise billions is not stupid. > >There's little reporting on the phenomenon, but acquisitions in the billions (1xE09) range are routinely bollixed up. My experience is that the people who can raise billions are not the sharpest tools in the shed. It's not called "dumb money" for nothing. -- Les Cargill
Reply by ●July 26, 20162016-07-26
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:> On 19.7.2016 г. 10:13, rickman wrote: >> On 7/18/2016 11:50 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:01:40 -0400, rickman wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/18/2016 8:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote: >>>>> ARM is about to be sold to a Japanese company: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36822806 >>>>> >>>>> As a Brit, it saddens me to see a British success story sold into >>>>> foreign hands, but my real concern is about what the future might >>>>> bring >>>>> several years down the road. >>>> >>>> I read they expect to double the UK workforce, so not all bad. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Questions currently going through my mind include whether ARM will >>>>> still be able to perform R&D at their current rate and whether ARM's >>>>> engineers will be outsourced in the future and replaced with lower >>>>> quality staff. >>>> >>>> I doubt it. Would you pay billions for a working company and then mess >>>> it up? Anyone who can raise billions is not stupid. >>> >>> History disagrees with you. Sometimes these things work out splendidly, >>> sometimes they work horribly. Usually the people who make the initial >>> deal make out like bandits ('cuz they're not stupid), but often the >>> companies involved go down the tubes, leaving stockholders holding an >>> empty bag. >> >> Your logic is very poor. History says things can go bad, but that is no >> contradiction to what I said. >> > > Your logic is not very good either though. Anybody who can make billions > is not stupid - true.Just no. Making billions doesn't imply any sort of intelligence nor talent at all.> Not being stupid is by far not what it takes to do what ARM did so far > though. It takes some extra talent. >But this too. Smart people do stupid things.> You don't know whether the guy with the billions has it. > > I expect things will slowly fall into their places, ARM 32 will stay > in small MCU-s (it is just not fit for use in large ones as they use > it),I'm behind as well, but ARM32 can support quite a bit of RAM and FLASH. I dunno - is a Coretex A8 on a Beaglebone a large or small? Seems large to me. Maybe medium?> ARM 64 may or may not survive, time will tell (I don't know enough > about it to make predictions). >It may not.> Dimiter >-- Les Cargill
Reply by ●July 26, 20162016-07-26
On 7/26/2016 11:57 AM, Les Cargill wrote:> Dimiter_Popoff wrote: >> On 19.7.2016 г. 10:13, rickman wrote: >>> On 7/18/2016 11:50 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:01:40 -0400, rickman wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 7/18/2016 8:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote: >>>>>> ARM is about to be sold to a Japanese company: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36822806 >>>>>> >>>>>> As a Brit, it saddens me to see a British success story sold into >>>>>> foreign hands, but my real concern is about what the future might >>>>>> bring >>>>>> several years down the road. >>>>> >>>>> I read they expect to double the UK workforce, so not all bad. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Questions currently going through my mind include whether ARM will >>>>>> still be able to perform R&D at their current rate and whether ARM's >>>>>> engineers will be outsourced in the future and replaced with lower >>>>>> quality staff. >>>>> >>>>> I doubt it. Would you pay billions for a working company and then >>>>> mess >>>>> it up? Anyone who can raise billions is not stupid. >>>> >>>> History disagrees with you. Sometimes these things work out >>>> splendidly, >>>> sometimes they work horribly. Usually the people who make the initial >>>> deal make out like bandits ('cuz they're not stupid), but often the >>>> companies involved go down the tubes, leaving stockholders holding an >>>> empty bag. >>> >>> Your logic is very poor. History says things can go bad, but that is no >>> contradiction to what I said. >>> >> >> Your logic is not very good either though. Anybody who can make billions >> is not stupid - true. > > Just no. Making billions doesn't imply any sort of intelligence nor > talent at all.Are you talking about winning the lottery? Otherwise making billions of dollars pretty much does require *some* sort of talent or everyone would be doing it, no?>> Not being stupid is by far not what it takes to do what ARM did so far >> though. It takes some extra talent. >> > > But this too. Smart people do stupid things.But less often than stupid people.>> You don't know whether the guy with the billions has it. >> >> I expect things will slowly fall into their places, ARM 32 will stay >> in small MCU-s (it is just not fit for use in large ones as they use >> it), > > I'm behind as well, but ARM32 can support quite a bit of RAM and FLASH. > > I dunno - is a Coretex A8 on a Beaglebone a large or small? Seems large > to me. Maybe medium? > >> ARM 64 may or may not survive, time will tell (I don't know enough >> about it to make predictions). >> > > It may not.In the long run nothing survives including us. -- Rick C
Reply by ●July 26, 20162016-07-26
On 26.07.2016 20:23, rickman wrote: (snip)>>> ARM 64 may or may not survive, time will tell (I don't know enough >>> about it to make predictions). >>> >> >> It may not. > > In the long run nothing survives including us. >Looks like you are not into transhumanism? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism Gene
Reply by ●July 26, 20162016-07-26
On 7/26/2016 1:39 PM, Evgeny Filatov wrote:> On 26.07.2016 20:23, rickman wrote: > > (snip) > >>>> ARM 64 may or may not survive, time will tell (I don't know enough >>>> about it to make predictions). >>>> >>> >>> It may not. >> >> In the long run nothing survives including us. >> > > Looks like you are not into transhumanism? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TranshumanismAllow me to modify my previous statement... In the long run nothing survives including us^H^H transhumanism. -- Rick C
Reply by ●July 26, 20162016-07-26
On 26.7.2016 г. 20:39, Evgeny Filatov wrote:> On 26.07.2016 20:23, rickman wrote: > > (snip) > >>>> ARM 64 may or may not survive, time will tell (I don't know enough >>>> about it to make predictions). >>>> >>> >>> It may not. >> >> In the long run nothing survives including us. >> > > Looks like you are not into transhumanism? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism > > Gene >Hi there Gene, even so he is right I guess, nothing lasts forever :-). But of course some things outlive others, some people outlive others.... I think I know how to emulate myself on a sufficiently large machine running DPS - I only wish I knew where to start with the _read_ part of the copying... :D . Dimiter ------------------------------------------------------ Dimiter Popoff, TGI http://www.tgi-sci.com ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.flickr.com/photos/didi_tgi/
