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[ANN] Atmel invest millions of $ to please Jim Granville

Started by Ulf Samuelsson March 9, 2005
Read All About it, Read all About it.

Atmel releases single clock cycle 8051 chips...
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/corporate/view_detail.asp?FileName=AT89LP_3_8.html

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Ulf Samuelsson wrote:

> Read All About it, Read all About it. > > Atmel releases single clock cycle 8051 chips... > http://www.atmel.com/dyn/corporate/view_detail.asp?FileName=AT89LP_3_8.html
ROTFL :) [..and I nearly said something about this in my other post, this morning.. !] -jg But yes, I am pleased to see something that has been talked about for years, take a very good first step.
Hello Ulf,

> Read All About it, Read all About it. > > Atmel releases single clock cycle 8051 chips... > http://www.atmel.com/dyn/corporate/view_detail.asp?FileName=AT89LP_3_8.html
Nice parts. It says in the announcement that there is a 10bit ADC but in the LP2052/4052 datasheet there is only the comparator. If this refers to future devices, what would they cost? From a power consumption point of view it looks good, although not quite as good as an MSP430. What I do like is the fact that you can run it at 5V. That is pretty crucial when you have to drive FETs. That isn't so easy with the MSP series anymore. Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
Joerg wrote:

> Hello Ulf, > >> Read All About it, Read all About it. >> >> Atmel releases single clock cycle 8051 chips... >> http://www.atmel.com/dyn/corporate/view_detail.asp?FileName=AT89LP_3_8.html >> > > > Nice parts. It says in the announcement that there is a 10bit ADC but in > the LP2052/4052 datasheet there is only the comparator. If this refers > to future devices, what would they cost?
A more complete family road map is at http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc4084.pdf
> From a power consumption point of view it looks good, although not > quite as good as an MSP430. What I do like is the fact that you can run > it at 5V. That is pretty crucial when you have to drive FETs. That isn't > so easy with the MSP series anymore.
and they have the 4 mode port pins, so you can do SW i2c, and CMOS FET ( or Piezo) drive, from the PWM mode if you wish... -jg
Hello Jim,

>> Nice parts. It says in the announcement that there is a 10bit ADC but >> in the LP2052/4052 datasheet there is only the comparator. If this >> refers to future devices, what would they cost? > > > A more complete family road map is at > http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc4084.pdf
Yes, but when you check the Atmel site for the parts with ADC it draws a blank. The press release, however, said "... announced today the availability of..." and "... The AT89LP family consists of devices with 2 to 64 Kbytes of in-system programmable Flash memory, and is available in a variety of pin options, from 14, 20, 28 and 44. They include on-chip DataFlash�, 10-bit ADC,...". To me, words like 'available' and 'consist of' means it's there. But it looks like they ain't.
>> From a power consumption point of view it looks good, although not >> quite as good as an MSP430. What I do like is the fact that you can >> run it at 5V. That is pretty crucial when you have to drive FETs. That >> isn't so easy with the MSP series anymore. > > and they have the 4 mode port pins, so you can do SW i2c, and CMOS FET ( > or Piezo) drive, from the PWM mode if you wish...
Yes, OC is a wonderful thing. I believe the MSP430F2xxx series may have that, too. But those aren't out yet either. What precludes even these low power '51 chips from many designs is their high idle power consumption, way too much for most battery based applications. You would need an external wake-up. Not that it can't be done, we actually did just that with ye olde Atmel 89C51, but it adds cost. Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
> Yes, but when you check the Atmel site for the parts with ADC it draws a > blank. The press release, however, said "... announced today the > availability of..." and "... The AT89LP family consists of devices with > 2 to 64 Kbytes of in-system programmable Flash memory, and is available > in a variety of pin options, from 14, 20, 28 and 44. They include > on-chip DataFlash�, 10-bit ADC,...". > > To me, words like 'available' and 'consist of' means it's there.
Not if they were written by a French marketing assistant ...
> But it looks like they ain't.
> Regards, Joerg >
-- Best Regards, Ulf Samuelsson ulf@a-t-m-e-l.com This message is intended to be my own personal view and it may or may not be shared by my employer Atmel Nordic AB
"Ulf Samuelsson" <ulf@a-t-m-e-l.com> wrote in
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>> Yes, but when you check the Atmel site for the parts with ADC it >> draws a blank. The press release, however, said "... announced today >> the availability of..." and "... The AT89LP family consists of >> devices with 2 to 64 Kbytes of in-system programmable Flash memory, >> and is available in a variety of pin options, from 14, 20, 28 and 44. >> They include on-chip DataFlash&#2013266094;, 10-bit ADC,...". >> >> To me, words like 'available' and 'consist of' means it's there. > > Not if they were written by a French marketing assistant ... > >> But it looks like they ain't. > >> Regards, Joerg >>
When are these things going to be in the hands of the distys ? Price (relative to a vanilla 2051/4051) ? Pity no ADC or internal oscillator option. M
Mike Diack wrote:
> "Ulf Samuelsson" <ulf@a-t-m-e-l.com> wrote in > news:39a89hF5tjevvU2@individual.net: > >>> Yes, but when you check the Atmel site for the parts with ADC it >>> draws a blank. The press release, however, said "... announced today >>> the availability of..." and "... The AT89LP family consists of >>> devices with 2 to 64 Kbytes of in-system programmable Flash memory, >>> and is available in a variety of pin options, from 14, 20, 28 and >>> 44. They include on-chip DataFlash&#2013266094;, 10-bit ADC,...". >>> >>> To me, words like 'available' and 'consist of' means it's there. >> >> Not if they were written by a French marketing assistant ... >> >>> But it looks like they ain't. >> >>> Regards, Joerg >>> > When are these things going to be in the hands of the distys ? > Price (relative to a vanilla 2051/4051) ? > Pity no ADC or internal oscillator option. > M
Really dont know, knew about the core, but not the imminent release. -- Best Regards, Ulf Samuelsson ulf@a-t-m-e-l.com This message is intended to be my own personal view and it may or may not be shared by my employer Atmel Nordic AB
Mike Diack wrote:
> "Ulf Samuelsson" <ulf@a-t-m-e-l.com> wrote in > >>>Yes, but when you check the Atmel site for the parts with ADC it >>>draws a blank. The press release, however, said "... announced today >>>the availability of..." and "... The AT89LP family consists of >>>devices with 2 to 64 Kbytes of in-system programmable Flash memory, >>>and is available in a variety of pin options, from 14, 20, 28 and 44. >>>They include on-chip DataFlash&#2013266094;, 10-bit ADC,...". >>> >>>To me, words like 'available' and 'consist of' means it's there. >> >>Not if they were written by a French marketing assistant ...
The word 'family' was used, so some members have ADC, some do not - very like the P89LPC9xx series from Philips, or the Z8, etc.
> When are these things going to be in the hands of the distys ? > Price (relative to a vanilla 2051/4051) ?
Press release claims 85c/10K for 2K/20 pins and 99c/10K for 4K/20 pins, which is under existing 89C4051 prices, and under the LPC92x, but about on what I'd call the '2005 industry price curve' for uC pins/features. uC are now cheaper than many generic alternatives : The PCF8574 lists at $1.65/1K, so on a cents per I/O, the LP2052 looks good. The MAX3100 is $2.79/1K, which does SPI-UART bridge operation, and a LP2052 can easily swallow that, and more.. The 14 pin and TSSOP packages make this a small solution for many 'smarter IO expansion' problems. With a buffered SPI port, at > 5MBd, that can be chained, many devices should be easily connected in series. The LP2052 core can sustain 10MHz SPI in Master mode.
> Pity no ADC or internal oscillator option.
Not on the very first members, but On Chip CALOsc is a logical 'adder' -jg
Hello Ulf,

>>To me, words like 'available' and 'consist of' means it's there. > > Not if they were written by a French marketing assistant ...
ROFL! But I wouldn't blame someone in France. They all play that game. After all, where is that 49 cents MSP430 device that TI says it has? AFAIK it ain't there, my distributor said that must have been for a mask part which they now discourage. So, we all got hardened over time. Basically, if Digikey doesn't have stock or worse doesn't carry a part at all we try our utmost not to need that part in a design. Exceptions are very, very rare. Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com