Joerg wrote:> Hello Luhan, > >>> I believe it's not "and a PE" but "or a PE". Meaning that people who >>> work in med may be better off without PE since you can't get >>> insurance anymore. >> >> >> In this case, I was hired as an electronics engineer. The guy I >> worked for had a PHD in biomedical engineering (or some such thing). >> Therefor, I was not the 'medical' professional on the project. > > > The academic title isn't too important. What counts is who called the > shots. With a PE that can be different because they can stamp and seal. > Doing that on any piece of documentation carries a great responsibility. > Then again, so does the action of any engineer who is bound by the IEEE > code of ethics (but that doesn't count in a legal sense). > > Regards, Joerg > > http://www.analogconsultants.comIEEE code of ethics? I'll just have to look that one up. Basically, if a client wanted a 'marital aid' with 'midi in', I would just quote them the cost to make a 'working prototype'. -- Luhan Monat: luhanis(at)yahoo(dot)com http://members.cox.net/berniekm "Any sufficiently advanced magick is indistinguishable from technology."
EU lead-free directive
Started by ●May 31, 2005
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Reply by ●May 31, 20052005-05-31
tim (moved to sweden) wrote:> "Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message > news:hqmp91l5obd16ia0or4121agm4b3km9joo@4ax.com... > >>On Tue, 31 May 2005 23:36:21 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)" >><tim_in_sweden2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >>>"Luhan Monat" <x@y.z> wrote in message >>>news:jP3ne.1624$Pp.651@fed1read01... >>> >>>>GMM50 wrote: >>>> >>>>>Note that this requirement will probably trickle down to the engineer. >>>>>Management will ask the eng. to state that the product complies. >>>>>Guess who gets the blame. >>>>> >>>>>gm >>>>> >>>> >>>>Speaking of who gets blamed, I once insisted on working a contract type >>>>job as an employee. It was medical equipment. Anybody sues us, they >>>>can't sue an employee, >>> >>>You are wrong here. If you are the person in the company who is >>>the professional expert on the subject and your advice is wrong, it >>>is you who can be personally sued. >> >>Only if you are an officer of the company and are a "PE" or similar >>with sign-off responsibility. > > > In the US maybe, but this thread is about the EU (or so it says) > > tim > >Threads have a way of wandering around, from my recent experience here. -- Luhan Monat: luhanis(at)yahoo(dot)com http://members.cox.net/berniekm "Any sufficiently advanced magick is indistinguishable from technology."
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Peter wrote:> Hi, > > This comes in mid-2006 and AIUI requires that lead content is below > 0.1%. > > Surely, one could achieve this by making the overall product heavier? > > Or does it work on a per-circuit-board basis? In that case, the lead > in standard solder will probably weigh more than 0.1% of the weight of > the populated PCB.... > > This could be a serious problem for any company that is slowly running > down a stock of old chips. These won't be lead-free, and neither will > be any chips purchased from the many used chip vendors who pass on > surplus stock. I expect a lot of their business will dry up since many > companies are requiring *zero* lead content on *all* components. > > Any views?It's stupid legislation that will merely increase the price of goods to no real beneficial effect and possibly put a number od small firms out of business. Funny ( ha ha - not ) since one of the leading ( lol ) principles was that it should have *no* effect on cost. That's Brussels for you. Getting kind of sick of the Commission telling us what we can and can't do. They aren't elected either. Graham
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Rene Tschaggelar wrote:> Peter wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > This comes in mid-2006 and AIUI requires that lead content is below > > 0.1%. > > > > Surely, one could achieve this by making the overall product heavier? > > > > Or does it work on a per-circuit-board basis? In that case, the lead > > in standard solder will probably weigh more than 0.1% of the weight of > > the populated PCB.... > > > > This could be a serious problem for any company that is slowly running > > down a stock of old chips. These won't be lead-free, and neither will > > be any chips purchased from the many used chip vendors who pass on > > surplus stock. I expect a lot of their business will dry up since many > > companies are requiring *zero* lead content on *all* components. > > > > Any views? > > I heard that too, that you can pass the limits by > delivering the electronics on top of a 5 pound solid > steel slab. That is almost infinitely silly. > > Since the leaded cases can easily be combined with the > rest of the leadfree technology, eg leadfree pcb, > leadfree solder, ... I'd just use up the stock > and just don't tell anyone.No-one's going to be checking anyway ! Graham
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Hello Luhan,> IEEE code of ethics? I'll just have to look that one up. ...It's here: http://www.ieee.org/portal/site/mainsite/menuitem.818c0c39e85ef176fb2275875bac26c8/index.jsp?&pName=corp_level1&path=about/whatis&file=code.xml&xsl=generic.xsl> ... Basically, if > a client wanted a 'marital aid' with 'midi in', I would just quote them > the cost to make a 'working prototype'.ROFL! Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
Reply by ●May 31, 20052005-05-31
Pooh Bear wrote:> > It's stupid legislation that will merely increase the price of goods to no > real beneficial effect and possibly put a number od small firms out of > business. Funny ( ha ha - not ) since one of the leading ( lol ) > principles was that it should have *no* effect on cost. > > That's Brussels for you. Getting kind of sick of the Commission telling us > what we can and can't do. They aren't elected either. >We used to be governed by Brittan. You know what our solution was! -- Luhan Monat: luhanis(at)yahoo(dot)com http://members.cox.net/berniekm "Any sufficiently advanced magick is indistinguishable from technology."
Reply by ●May 31, 20052005-05-31
Hello Luhan,>> In the US maybe, but this thread is about the EU (or so it says) > > Threads have a way of wandering around, from my recent experience here.Look on the bright side: At least it hasn't degenerated into a political shoot-out. Even though the recent voting results on the EU constitution, ... uhm, let's not go there... Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
Reply by ●May 31, 20052005-05-31
Hello Graham,> No-one's going to be checking anyway !Except when a competitor is desperately looking for a chance to blow your company out of the water. Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
Reply by ●May 31, 20052005-05-31
Hello Luhan,> We used to be governed by Brittan. You know what our solution was!But it did cause a spike in the price of tea for a while because the whole shipment floated around in the Boston waters. Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
Reply by ●May 31, 20052005-05-31
Joerg wrote:> Hello Luhan, > >> IEEE code of ethics? I'll just have to look that one up. ... > > > It's here: > > http://www.ieee.org/portal/site/mainsite/menuitem.818c0c39e85ef176fb2275875bac26c8/index.jsp?&pName=corp_level1&path=about/whatis&file=code.xml&xsl=generic.xsl > > >> ... Basically, if a >> client wanted a 'marital aid' with 'midi in', I would just quote them >> the cost to make a 'working prototype'. > > > ROFL! > > Regards, Joerg > > http://www.analogconsultants.comThanks, I have never seen that. Looks like how I work anyway. Except the 'bribery' part. We needed the use of a TV studio once, but the engineer didn't work weekends. So we scheduled 4 hours studio time on Saturday, paid for the studio time, and slipped 2 nice crisp $100 bills to the engineer. He says 'any time guys'. Sometimes the wheels of capitalism work better with a bit of lubrication. -- Luhan Monat: luhanis(at)yahoo(dot)com http://members.cox.net/berniekm "Any sufficiently advanced magick is indistinguishable from technology."
