Hi Group I'm in the business of shopping a new JTAG debugger and would like to hear what other people recommend. Important points for me are - support for multiple target CPUs - stable operation - ease of use - good support from the debugger company - support for the GNU toolchain - what other criterias should I look for? The targets I'm likely needing support for will be ARM and PowerPC cores. I do have some candidates in mind, but don't want to bias posters. TIA Markus
JTAG debugger recomendations
Started by ●September 26, 2005
Reply by ●September 26, 20052005-09-26
"Markus Zingg" <m.zingg@nct.ch> wrote in message news:n9efj1tb4b6m9t0kjfb6opd7mjp48r1rjd@4ax.com...> Hi Group > > I'm in the business of shopping a new JTAG debugger and would like to > hear what other people recommend. Important points for me are > > - support for multiple target CPUs > - stable operation > - ease of use > - good support from the debugger company > - support for the GNU toolchain > - what other criterias should I look for? > > The targets I'm likely needing support for will be ARM and PowerPC > cores. I do have some candidates in mind, but don't want to bias > posters. > > TIA >Abatron BDI-2000 works very good. Available in the US from Ultimate Solutions, Inc. Web: www.ultsol.com, Also available from Microcross bundled with GNU tools. www.microcross.com Scott
Reply by ●September 26, 20052005-09-26
Not Really Me wrote:> "Markus Zingg" <m.zingg@nct.ch> wrote in message > news:n9efj1tb4b6m9t0kjfb6opd7mjp48r1rjd@4ax.com... > >>Hi Group >> >>I'm in the business of shopping a new JTAG debugger and would like to >>hear what other people recommend. Important points for me are >> >>- support for multiple target CPUs >>- stable operation >>- ease of use >>- good support from the debugger company >>- support for the GNU toolchain >>- what other criterias should I look for? >> >>The targets I'm likely needing support for will be ARM and PowerPC >>cores. I do have some candidates in mind, but don't want to bias >>posters. >> >>TIA >> > > > Abatron BDI-2000 works very good. Available in the US from Ultimate > Solutions, Inc. Web: www.ultsol.com, > Also available from Microcross bundled with GNU tools. www.microcross.com > > Scott > >Try Chameleon POD from Amontec (www.amontec.com), and the ARM Debug ValuePack. It works fine with GNU tools, IAR or Greenhills debuggers. ... very low cost and 30x faster than the bitbangged Wiggler. Larry
Reply by ●September 26, 20052005-09-26
Not Really Me wrote:> "Markus Zingg" <m.zingg@nct.ch> wrote in message > news:n9efj1tb4b6m9t0kjfb6opd7mjp48r1rjd@4ax.com... > >>Hi Group >> >>I'm in the business of shopping a new JTAG debugger and would like to >>hear what other people recommend. Important points for me are >> >>- support for multiple target CPUs >>- stable operation >>- ease of use >>- good support from the debugger company >>- support for the GNU toolchain >>- what other criterias should I look for? >> >>The targets I'm likely needing support for will be ARM and PowerPC >>cores. I do have some candidates in mind, but don't want to bias >>posters. >> >>TIA >> > > > Abatron BDI-2000 works very good. Available in the US from Ultimate > Solutions, Inc. Web: www.ultsol.com, > Also available from Microcross bundled with GNU tools. www.microcross.com > > Scott > >Try Chameleon POD from Amontec (www.amontec.com), and the ARM Debug ValuePack. It works fine with GNU tools, IAR or Greenhills debuggers. ... very low cost and 30x faster than the bitbangged Wiggler. Larry
Reply by ●September 27, 20052005-09-27
"Amontec, Larry" <laurent.gauch@ANTI-SPAMamontec.com> wrote in message news:4338701f$1@news.vsnet.ch...> Not Really Me wrote:> > Try Chameleon POD from Amontec (www.amontec.com), and the ARM Debug > ValuePack. It works fine with GNU tools, IAR or Greenhills debuggers. > > ... very low cost and 30x faster than the bitbangged Wiggler. > > LarryHow are you guys progressing with the usb version ? Do you support all the Philips chips ? lpc213x and lpc214x ? Also does the chameleon work with the TI arm chips or OMAP ? Ti have announced they are bringing out arm9 + C6400 in the near future as part of their Da Vinci marketing drive. http://www.ti.com/corp/docs/landing/davinci/files/dvtechovw.pdf Alex
Reply by ●September 27, 20052005-09-27
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:08:30 +0200, Markus Zingg <m.zingg@nct.ch> wrote:>Hi Group > >I'm in the business of shopping a new JTAG debugger and would like to >hear what other people recommend. Important points for me are > >- support for multiple target CPUs >- stable operation >- ease of use >- good support from the debugger company >- support for the GNU toolchain >- what other criterias should I look for? > >The targets I'm likely needing support for will be ARM and PowerPC >cores. I do have some candidates in mind, but don't want to bias >posters.I work with Lauterbach, Ashling and iSystem. iSystem comes as IDE with build tool. Ashling has an external IDE, they call AsIDE which is Slick Edit. Lauterbach is _just_ a debugger. All support GNU, but IMHO Ashling has still problems with it. Ashling and iSystem need Windows, Lauterbach work also on Linux and AFAIK Solaris. iSystem and Lauterbach support is/can be in German (if this is important). Ashling only partly (see below). All three can be retargeted to ARM/PPC where Lauterbach support debugging of both at the same time. IHMO, don't look to much on the individual price, rather look if you like to work with their respective GUIs. BTW: I am a little biased, as my employer might sell you Ashling or iSystem in Swizzerland. But I most often use Lauterbach as I develop on a Linux Box rather than Win?? -- 42Bastian Do not email to bastian42@yahoo.com, it's a spam-only account :-) Use <same-name>@monlynx.de instead !
Reply by ●September 27, 20052005-09-27
> Try Chameleon POD from Amontec (www.amontec.com), and the ARM Debug > ValuePack. It works fine with GNU tools, IAR or Greenhills debuggers. > > ... very low cost and 30x faster than the bitbangged Wiggler.30x faster? do you have some figures for programming speed with your Chameleon POD? Something like http://www.rowley.co.uk/arm/CrossConnect.htm for instance? I see there our parallel port ARM-JTAG (Wiggler) have 25KB/s programming speed in RAM and 14KB/s programming speed in Flash with CrossWorks for the LPC microcontrollers. Does your statement mean that yours will program 750KB/s in RAM and 420KB/s in Flash with the same software (CrossWorks) or this is just attempt for yet another marketing hype? Best regards Tsvetan --- PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb (http://www.olimex.com/pcb) PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html) Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, MAXQ2000 and MSP430 (http://www.olimex.com/dev)
Reply by ●September 27, 20052005-09-27
Not Really Me wrote:> "Markus Zingg" <m.zingg@nct.ch> wrote in message > news:n9efj1tb4b6m9t0kjfb6opd7mjp48r1rjd@4ax.com... > >>Hi Group >> >>I'm in the business of shopping a new JTAG debugger and would like to >>hear what other people recommend. Important points for me are >> >>- support for multiple target CPUs >>- stable operation >>- ease of use >>- good support from the debugger company >>- support for the GNU toolchain >>- what other criterias should I look for? >> >>The targets I'm likely needing support for will be ARM and PowerPC >>cores. I do have some candidates in mind, but don't want to bias >>posters. >> >>TIA >> > > > Abatron BDI-2000 works very good. Available in the US from Ultimate > Solutions, Inc. Web: www.ultsol.com, > Also available from Microcross bundled with GNU tools. www.microcross.com > > Scott >Do you need separate BDI-2000 units, or separate licences, for each target type? The BDI-2000 is pretty expensive, but if the one purchase supports ColdFires, MPC, and ARM, then it is a lot better value for money.
Reply by ●September 27, 20052005-09-27
On 2005-09-27, David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> wrote:>> Abatron BDI-2000 works very good. Available in the US from >> Ultimate Solutions, Inc. Web: www.ultsol.com, Also available >> from Microcross bundled with GNU tools. www.microcross.com > > Do you need separate BDI-2000 units, or separate licences, for each > target type?IIRC, the latter. I think the way it worked was that for each target family there is a firmware set you download. And I think ARM7 and StronARM were different target families. Your local Abatron distributor could probobably provide a definitive answer.> The BDI-2000 is pretty expensive, but if the one purchase > supports ColdFires, MPC, and ARM, then it is a lot better > value for money.It is a bit expensive, but it's a top-notch product that supports GDB remote natively[1], and has a telnet interface for doing bare-bones stuff. It also has a flash-programming mode for programming ROMs on the uController's external bus. The other units I looked at all required an external server program to translate between GDB's remote protocol and some proprietary protocol. The people I talked to who were running units like that said that it generally worked, but it was a PITA to set up and maintain. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Then, it's off to at RED CHINA!! visi.com
Reply by ●September 27, 20052005-09-27
"Grant Edwards" <grante@visi.com> wrote in message news:11jind980hgb715@corp.supernews.com...> On 2005-09-27, David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> wrote: > >>> Abatron BDI-2000 works very good. Available in the US from >>> Ultimate Solutions, Inc. Web: www.ultsol.com, Also available >>> from Microcross bundled with GNU tools. www.microcross.com >> >> Do you need separate BDI-2000 units, or separate licences, for each >> target type? > > IIRC, the latter. I think the way it worked was that for each > target family there is a firmware set you download. And I > think ARM7 and StronARM were different target families. Your > local Abatron distributor could probobably provide a definitive > answer. > >> The BDI-2000 is pretty expensive, but if the one purchase >> supports ColdFires, MPC, and ARM, then it is a lot better >> value for money. > > It is a bit expensive, but it's a top-notch product that > supports GDB remote natively[1], and has a telnet interface for > doing bare-bones stuff. It also has a flash-programming mode > for programming ROMs on the uController's external bus. > > The other units I looked at all required an external server > program to translate between GDB's remote protocol and some > proprietary protocol. The people I talked to who were running > units like that said that it generally worked, but it was a > PITA to set up and maintain. > > -- > Grant Edwards grante Yow! Then, it's off to > at RED CHINA!! > visi.comGrant is correct, there is a firmware download and sometimes a cable change. I think the firmware sets are about US$1000. The other unit we use is a TI XDS-560. PCI based it is really fast. I believe it is TI specific though. Works great on the TMS320 series parts. Also expensive. Might be in the $3K - $4K range. Scott
