Looking for ancient version of RTX-Tiny (for 8051)

Hello,

I'm using a really, really old version of C51; specifically, version 4.10, 
old enough that it's branded with the Franklin name.  I'm maintaining a 
couple of existing products, and although I have the compiler, linker, etc., 
I don't have the RTX-Tiny libraries.

I've purchased the latest Kiel product, including the RTX-Tiny subsystem, 
but the RTOS interface (and in fact it appears the entire library structure) 
has changed, and cannot be used with the older version of the compiler that 
is still in use on these older products.

The Franklin and Kiel companies parted ways quite some time ago, apparently 
in a large cloud of dust. Although there is still a Franklin software site 
(fsinc.com), all the email links on it bounce, and the phone number listed 
has been disconnected.

I certainly would like to acquire these older RTX-Tiny libraries.  Does 
anyone have an idea where I might track them down? I don't want to encourage 
software piracy in any form, so I'd be willing to pay a sensible license fee 
(remember, this stuff is >>10 years old...) to upgrade my existing compiler 
tool chain, if it seems appropriate.

Thanks for any help you can give!
--
Mark Moulding

Mark Moulding wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm using a really, really old version of C51; specifically, version 4.10, 
> old enough that it's branded with the Franklin name.  I'm maintaining a 
> couple of existing products, and although I have the compiler, linker, etc., 
> I don't have the RTX-Tiny libraries.
> 
> I've purchased the latest Kiel product, including the RTX-Tiny subsystem, 
> but the RTOS interface (and in fact it appears the entire library structure) 
> has changed, and cannot be used with the older version of the compiler that 
> is still in use on these older products.
> 
> The Franklin and Kiel companies parted ways quite some time ago, apparently 
> in a large cloud of dust. Although there is still a Franklin software site 
> (fsinc.com), all the email links on it bounce, and the phone number listed 
> has been disconnected.
> 
> I certainly would like to acquire these older RTX-Tiny libraries.  Does 
> anyone have an idea where I might track them down? I don't want to encourage 
> software piracy in any form, so I'd be willing to pay a sensible license fee 
> (remember, this stuff is >>10 years old...) to upgrade my existing compiler 
> tool chain, if it seems appropriate.
> 
> Thanks for any help you can give!
> --
> Mark Moulding
> 
> 
Did you contact Keil about this? They may have them.

"Neil" <NeilKurzm@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message 
news:4782e760$0$9084$607ed4bc@cv.net...

>> I'm using a really, really old version of C51; specifically, version 
>> 4.10, old enough that it's branded with the Franklin name.  I'm 
>> maintaining a couple of existing products, and although I have the 
>> compiler, linker, etc., I don't have the RTX-Tiny libraries.

> Did you contact Keil about this? They may have them.

Yup - the word I got is that they never received any of the Franklin-branded 
code back into their repositories.  Whether or not that's true I have no 
idea, but it's quite clear that Keil actively avoids any association with 
the Franklin products.

For that matter, they wouldn't even let me "upgrade" my current 8.x software 
to 7.x, although the files are clearly shown on the web site.  Why would I 
want to do that, you ask? Because I want to run the tool chain under Linux, 
which I can do in a DOS emulator, except that the 8.x products use a unique 
computer keying (probably the disk serial number) scheme that doesn't seem 
to work under Linux.  Apparently the 7.x product doesn't have this security 
"feature".

So I'm back hunting for ancient 4.x RTX-Tiny libraries again.  Can anyone 
help?

Thanks!
--
Mark Moulding 

In message <gKidnSwUyLnAcQvanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Mark 
Moulding <mark@markesystems.no.damn.spam.com> writes
>
>"Neil" <NeilKurzm@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:4782e760$0$9084$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
>>> I'm using a really, really old version of C51; specifically, version
>>> 4.10, old enough that it's branded with the Franklin name.  I'm
>>> maintaining a couple of existing products, and although I have the
>>> compiler, linker, etc., I don't have the RTX-Tiny libraries.
>
>> Did you contact Keil about this? They may have them.
>
>Yup - the word I got is that they never received any of the Franklin-branded
>code back into their repositories.  Whether or not that's true I have no
>idea, but it's quite clear that Keil actively avoids any association with
>the Franklin products.

There is much unhappy history there I believe.  Franklin rebadged Keil 
for the US market..

>For that matter, they wouldn't even let me "upgrade" my current 8.x software
>to 7.x, although the files are clearly shown on the web site.  Why would I
>want to do that, you ask?

Probably because of the Franklin association

>Because I want to run the tool chain under Linux,
>which I can do in a DOS emulator, except that the 8.x products use a unique
>computer keying (probably the disk serial number) scheme that doesn't seem
>to work under Linux.  Apparently the 7.x product doesn't have this security
>"feature".

If you go to a windows box and use a legitimate V8 I am sure Keil would 
help. I have certainly supplied older versions for people

>So I'm back hunting for ancient 4.x RTX-Tiny libraries again.  Can anyone
>help?

Find an old demo CD of the Keil C51. RTX Tiny was "free" on the PK-51 
and AFAIK the old demo CD's had it on.


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>>Because I want to run the tool chain under Linux,
>>which I can do in a DOS emulator, except that the 8.x products use a 
>>unique
>>computer keying (probably the disk serial number) scheme that doesn't seem
>>to work under Linux.  Apparently the 7.x product doesn't have this 
>>security
>>"feature".
>
> If you go to a windows box and use a legitimate V8 I am sure Keil would 
> help. I have certainly supplied older versions for people

Well, actually I spent quite some time on the phone with their support 
staff, on two separate occasions, with different support associates, and 
pretty much ran into a stone wall both times.  The biggest concession I was 
offered was an additional license key so that I could run the product on 
three, rather than the default two, unique computers - Windows only:

"We don't support Linux installations of any kind."
"We're not authorizing any new 7.x serial numbers."
"Your license is only qualified for version 8.x product."

Bleh!

>
>>So I'm back hunting for ancient 4.x RTX-Tiny libraries again.  Can anyone
>>help?
>
> Find an old demo CD of the Keil C51. RTX Tiny was "free" on the PK-51 and 
> AFAIK the old demo CD's had it on.

That's an idea.  I believe I have an old Franklin-branded demo of their 
early Windows-based IDE. Now if I can just find where I put those 
floppies...

Thanks for the memory nudge!

--
Mark Moulding

In message <PvqdneeZJsAR8TDanZ2dnUVZ_qmlnZ2d@giganews.com>, Mark 
Moulding <mark@markesystems.no.damn.spam.com> writes
>>>Because I want to run the tool chain under Linux,
>>>which I can do in a DOS emulator, except that the 8.x products use a
>>>unique
>>>computer keying (probably the disk serial number) scheme that doesn't seem
>>>to work under Linux.  Apparently the 7.x product doesn't have this
>>>security
>>>"feature".
>>
>> If you go to a windows box and use a legitimate V8 I am sure Keil would
>> help. I have certainly supplied older versions for people
>
>Well, actually I spent quite some time on the phone with their support
>staff, on two separate occasions, with different support associates, and
>pretty much ran into a stone wall both times.

IT would be if you wanted Linux support.

> The biggest concession I was
>offered was an additional license key so that I could run the product on
>three, rather than the default two, unique computers - Windows only:

At least they are trying to be helpful

>"We don't support Linux installations of any kind."
>"We're not authorizing any new 7.x serial numbers."
>"Your license is only qualified for version 8.x product."
>
>Bleh!

Don't blame them for not supporting Linux... they don't support VMS 
either. IF you choose an OS the SW vendor does not support it is hardly 
their fault

>
>>
>>>So I'm back hunting for ancient 4.x RTX-Tiny libraries again.  Can anyone
>>>help?
>>
>> Find an old demo CD of the Keil C51. RTX Tiny was "free" on the PK-51 and
>> AFAIK the old demo CD's had it on.
>
>That's an idea.  I believe I have an old Franklin-branded demo of their
>early Windows-based IDE. Now if I can just find where I put those
>floppies...

I have some old version of the Keil demo Cd. Email me direct.

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