Affordable PCB Layout Software ???

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:46:54 -0500, AZ Nomad
<aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:

>On 26 Aug 2008 16:26:24 -0400, DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> wrote:
>
>>Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> writes:
>>> I do remember the time when you could still comfortably surf the
>>> internet and run a wordprocessor on a machine with 64MB and a
>>> processor than ran at less than 300MHz,
>
>>I remember doing all that on a 5 MHz S-100 bus machine with 768k RAM
>>and a 360k floppy drive.  Of course, it wasn't called "the internet"
>>back then.
>
>And there ws no such thing as a web browser, or even a GUI.  All
>applications were character based.  

They're not necessarily mutually exclusive- anyone remember Lynx? 
Gopher? 

;-) 

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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:05:48 -0700, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

<snip>
>> 
>   The *idea* of a registry seems to be OK, but in WinDoze, it is a 
>veritable garbage can.
>   I think that each program should have its own *findable* (and 
>readable) registry in the same directory that the program is stored.
>   That might make it easier to !totally! remove a program...

Actually, there should be parallel "Program Files" & "Data Files"
directory structures.  Non-changeable things to the first, changeable
things to the second.  That would make backups easier.
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:18:31 -0700, JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com>
wrote:

<snip>
>
>And a high speed (> 1 mbit/s) connection.  Just try surfing the net at
>56k nowadays.  
I use a 64k connection, and it would be less of a problem if web
designers didn't assume that one had a T3 or better connection.

>you would think you were on a small lake for the
>"surf".
>  
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:23:40 -0400, Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:46:54 -0500, AZ Nomad
><aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:

>>On 26 Aug 2008 16:26:24 -0400, DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> writes:
>>>> I do remember the time when you could still comfortably surf the
>>>> internet and run a wordprocessor on a machine with 64MB and a
>>>> processor than ran at less than 300MHz,
>>
>>>I remember doing all that on a 5 MHz S-100 bus machine with 768k RAM
>>>and a 360k floppy drive.  Of course, it wasn't called "the internet"
>>>back then.
>>
>>And there ws no such thing as a web browser, or even a GUI.  All
>>applications were character based.  

>They're not necessarily mutually exclusive- anyone remember Lynx? 
>Gopher? 

Sorry.  I don't remember either of those being in use in the late 70's.
:-p

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:55:25 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

<snip>
>
>
>
>   Who WANTS to run Vista on a five year old computer?

Who WANTS to run Vista on anything at all?  I sure don't. :-)
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AZ Nomad schreef:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:56:39 -0400, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> AZ Nomad wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:05:09 GMT, przemek klosowski <przemek.klosowski@gmail.nospam> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:51:37 +0000, Guy Macon wrote:
>>>>> Perhaps it's just me, but i expect a quad-core 3GHz machine to be able
>>>>> to keep up with my typing as well as my Commodore 128 does.
>>>> Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster.
>>> And microsoft does it faster than the chip makers can.
> 
> 
>>    The ironic thing is Microsoft wrote part of the firmware for the
>> Commodore 128.
> 
> no wonder it was a failure.

Actually sales wise it was a reasonable success.

> The probably had something to do with that commadore 64 floating around that
> couldn't run any commadore 64 software.

Percentage wise even a larger part of the Commodore 64 firmware was 
written by Microsoft. I don't recall a Commodore 64 that couldn't run 
Commodore 64 software. The Commodore 128 did run Commodore 64 software 
pretty well too.

AZ Nomad wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:55:27 +0200, Dombo <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Consider that Adobe needs 100MB hard disk space for just a reader, where 
>>others can produce a PDF reader that takes less than 1 MB and starts at 
>>least 10x faster, and you still believe Adobe is producing efficient 
>>software?
> 
> 
> Go downtown with a guitar and a bucket.
> Maybe somebody will toss you the penny that 100MB costs.  Actually,
> you'll have 2/3rds of the penny left to buy another 200MB.
> 
> Newsflash:  files on a hard drive do not every one of them get loaded for
> an application to function.  Stuff like help files, drm-shit, infrequently
> used functions just sit on the hard drive until the user needs them.
> 
> Adobe reader runs fine and fast on a 1.4mhz laptop.  
> 
> Are you still using a 200mhz P1 as your main desktop?  

You missed the point entirely, but I guess that should have been 
expected. Maybe you understand when you grow up.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:55:27 +0200, Dombo <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Consider that Adobe needs 100MB hard disk space for just a reader, where 
>others can produce a PDF reader that takes less than 1 MB and starts at 
>least 10x faster, and you still believe Adobe is producing efficient 
>software?

Go downtown with a guitar and a bucket.
Maybe somebody will toss you the penny that 100MB costs.  Actually,
you'll have 2/3rds of the penny left to buy another 200MB.

Newsflash:  files on a hard drive do not every one of them get loaded for
an application to function.  Stuff like help files, drm-shit, infrequently
used functions just sit on the hard drive until the user needs them.

Adobe reader runs fine and fast on a 1.4mhz laptop.  

Are you still using a 200mhz P1 as your main desktop?  

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:37:15 -0500, AZ Nomad
<aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:55:27 +0200, Dombo <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Consider that Adobe needs 100MB hard disk space for just a reader, where 
>>others can produce a PDF reader that takes less than 1 MB and starts at 
>>least 10x faster, and you still believe Adobe is producing efficient 
>>software?
>
>Go downtown with a guitar and a bucket.
>Maybe somebody will toss you the penny that 100MB costs.  Actually,
>you'll have 2/3rds of the penny left to buy another 200MB.
>
>Newsflash:  files on a hard drive do not every one of them get loaded for
>an application to function.  Stuff like help files, drm-shit, infrequently
>used functions just sit on the hard drive until the user needs them.
>
>Adobe reader runs fine and fast on a 1.4mhz laptop.  

That must be really old. I thought my 4.77 MHz T1000 was slow. 

>Are you still using a 200mhz P1 as your main desktop?  
 
Best regards, 
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:46:54 -0500, AZ Nomad
> <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
> 
> >On 26 Aug 2008 16:26:24 -0400, DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> writes:
> >>> I do remember the time when you could still comfortably surf the
> >>> internet and run a wordprocessor on a machine with 64MB and a
> >>> processor than ran at less than 300MHz,
> >
> >>I remember doing all that on a 5 MHz S-100 bus machine with 768k RAM
> >>and a 360k floppy drive.  Of course, it wasn't called "the internet"
> >>back then.
> >
> >And there ws no such thing as a web browser, or even a GUI.  All
> >applications were character based.
> 
> They're not necessarily mutually exclusive- anyone remember Lynx?
> Gopher?
> 
> ;-)
> 
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Lynx-wikipedia.png


http://www.golynx.com/ ;-)


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