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I just got off the phone with Digilent and apparently the 400K and 1000K Spartan 3 boards are availabel and shipping now. Maybe $120 for 400K and $160 for 1000K It is supposed to be on the web site but I haven't seen it. |
1000K Gate Spartan 3 Starter Board Available
Started by ●February 11, 2005
Reply by ●February 11, 20052005-02-11
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rtstofer wrote: > I just got off the phone with Digilent and apparently the 400K and > 1000K Spartan 3 boards are availabel and shipping now. [...] > It is supposed to be on the web site but I haven't seen it. Go to the "Spartan-3 Board" page and click "add to cart", and you get the 3S200, 3S400, and 3S1000 choices, at prices of US $99, $119, and $149. Eric |
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Reply by ●February 11, 20052005-02-11
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--- In , "Eric Smith" <eric@b...> wrote: > rtstofer wrote: > > I just got off the phone with Digilent and apparently the 400K and > > 1000K Spartan 3 boards are availabel and shipping now. > [...] > > It is supposed to be on the web site but I haven't seen it. > > Go to the "Spartan-3 Board" page and click "add to cart", and you > get the 3S200, 3S400, and 3S1000 choices, at prices of US $99, $119, > and $149. > > Eric I was looking for a picture or description, I didn't actually try to buy one. Gotta have it though... Thanks for sorting it out! Richard |
Reply by ●February 11, 20052005-02-11
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a 1000K gate Spartan 3 is a *very* useful device. I'd be happier if the board had 10x the external RAM, but it's a start. I did a design last year with a Spartan3-1500 which included a cpu, ethernet MAC, and loads of random interface logic. Everything fit, no problems. And it's supported by WebPack! jake On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Eric Smith wrote: > > rtstofer wrote: >> I just got off the phone with Digilent and apparently the 400K and >> 1000K Spartan 3 boards are availabel and shipping now. > [...] >> It is supposed to be on the web site but I haven't seen it. > > Go to the "Spartan-3 Board" page and click "add to cart", and you > get the 3S200, 3S400, and 3S1000 choices, at prices of US $99, $119, > and $149. > > Eric > > To post a message, send it to: > To unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > Yahoo! Groups Links |
Reply by ●February 12, 20052005-02-12
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I heard that Digilent could replace the FPGA on the Starter board with a XC3S400 for a nominal charge. Does that apply to the XC3S1000 ? Is the foot print the same ? You would need a larger config flash memory for the XC3S1000. John. rtstofer wrote: >I just got off the phone with Digilent and apparently the 400K and >1000K Spartan 3 boards are availabel and shipping now. > >Maybe $120 for 400K and $160 for 1000K > >It is supposed to be on the web site but I haven't seen it. -- http://members.optushome.com.au/jekent |
Reply by ●February 12, 20052005-02-12
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--- In , John Kent <jekent@o...> wrote: > I heard that Digilent could replace the FPGA on the Starter board with a > XC3S400 > for a nominal charge. Does that apply to the XC3S1000 ? > Is the foot print the same ? The footprint is the same. According to the person I talked to, the original plan was to ship the board with the larger devices. Availability caused them to ship the 200k device. Yes, the existing flash is large enough for the 400k device but a larger flash is used with the 1000k. The real upside to the larger device is the increase in BlockRAM to 432k bits (double that of the 200k device) and 4 times as much distributed RAM, now 120k bits. Also double the number of multipliers, now 24. The package (FT256) constrains the IO to 173 versus a max of 391 in the FG676. I wonder if someone will build a board for the larger package. I really NEED those IO pins! I'm not sure what for, but you can never have enough IO (or speed, gates and memory). Considering the cost of labor, I can't see an upgrade being much cheaper than a new board. Figuring 50% for profit and overhead, that means they could only have a direct cost of $75 for receiving the board, sending it out for upgrade, the cost of the devices, tracking the board and packaging it for delivery. Maybe, but it would be a money loser. > You would need a larger config flash memory for the XC3S1000. > > John. > > rtstofer wrote: > > >I just got off the phone with Digilent and apparently the 400K and > >1000K Spartan 3 boards are availabel and shipping now. > > > >Maybe $120 for 400K and $160 for 1000K > > > >It is supposed to be on the web site but I haven't seen it. > > > > > > -- > http://members.optushome.com.au/jekent |
Reply by ●February 12, 20052005-02-12
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Hi Richard, rtstofer wrote: >--- In , John Kent <jekent@o...> wrote: >> <>I heard that Digilent could replace the FPGA on the Starter board >> with a XC3S400 > >>for a nominal charge. Does that apply to the XC3S1000 ? >>Is the foot print the same ? >> >> > >The footprint is the same. According to the person I talked to, the >original plan was to ship the board with the larger devices. >Availability caused them to ship the 200k device. > >Yes, the existing flash is large enough for the 400k device but a >larger flash is used with the 1000k. > >The real upside to the larger device is the increase in BlockRAM to >432k bits (double that of the 200k device) and 4 times as much >distributed RAM, now 120k bits. Also double the number of >multipliers, now 24. > Is that for the XC3S400 or for the XC3S1000 ? >The package (FT256) constrains the IO to 173 versus a max of 391 in >the FG676. I wonder if someone will build a board for the larger >package. I really NEED those IO pins! I'm not sure what for, but >you can never have enough IO (or speed, gates and memory). > >Considering the cost of labor, I can't see an upgrade being much >cheaper than a new board. Figuring 50% for profit and overhead, >that means they could only have a direct cost of $75 for receiving >the board, sending it out for upgrade, the cost of the devices, >tracking the board and packaging it for delivery. Maybe, but it >would be a money loser. I heard it was about US$40 to replace the XC3S200 with an XC3S400. postage there and back would probably cost another US$40. I'd probably buy a new board if I went to the XC3S1000. My former employer at the CSIRO built a 3 million gate Virtex II board with a Power QUICC II running linux. It had 64Mbyte of Flash and 128Mbytes of DRAM. The Power QUICC II I'm told has two busses so and they used one for memory and the other to interface to FPGA. It had connectors for the Rocket I/O dual 100 Mbit ethernet and so on ... It ran a port of Linux. Looks like a wonderful board to play with. They were using it for computer vision projects. Their latest board used the Power QUICC III. http://vision.cmit.csiro.au/expertise/hymod/ Would be nice to have the resources to do that sort of thing. John. -- http://members.optushome.com.au/jekent |
Reply by ●February 12, 20052005-02-12
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--- In , John Kent <jekent@o...> wrote: > Hi Richard, > > rtstofer wrote: > > >--- In , John Kent <jekent@o...> wrote: > > > > > >> <>I heard that Digilent could replace the FPGA on the Starter board > >> with a XC3S400 > > > >>for a nominal charge. Does that apply to the XC3S1000 ? > >>Is the foot print the same ? > >> > >> > > > >The footprint is the same. According to the person I talked to, the > >original plan was to ship the board with the larger devices. > >Availability caused them to ship the 200k device. > > > >Yes, the existing flash is large enough for the 400k device but a > >larger flash is used with the 1000k. > > > >The real upside to the larger device is the increase in BlockRAM to > >432k bits (double that of the 200k device) and 4 times as much > >distributed RAM, now 120k bits. Also double the number of > >multipliers, now 24. > > > > > > > Is that for the XC3S400 or for the XC3S1000 ? ---------- All larger specs for 1000K. I don't see the purpose in the 400K when for $40 more I can get 1000K. I have no idea what I will do with the board but I plan to order one in the next day or so. ---------- > > >The package (FT256) constrains the IO to 173 versus a max of 391 in > >the FG676. I wonder if someone will build a board for the larger > >package. I really NEED those IO pins! I'm not sure what for, but > >you can never have enough IO (or speed, gates and memory). > > > >Considering the cost of labor, I can't see an upgrade being much > >cheaper than a new board. Figuring 50% for profit and overhead, > >that means they could only have a direct cost of $75 for receiving > >the board, sending it out for upgrade, the cost of the devices, > >tracking the board and packaging it for delivery. Maybe, but it > >would be a money loser. > > > > > I heard it was about US$40 to replace the XC3S200 with an XC3S400. > postage there and back would probably cost another US$40. > > I'd probably buy a new board if I went to the XC3S1000. > > My former employer at the CSIRO built a 3 million gate Virtex II board with > a Power QUICC II running linux. It had 64Mbyte of Flash and 128Mbytes of > DRAM. The Power QUICC II I'm told has two busses so and they used one > for memory and the other to interface to FPGA. > It had connectors for the Rocket I/O dual 100 Mbit ethernet and so on ... > It ran a port of Linux. > > Looks like a wonderful board to play with. > They were using it for computer vision projects. > Their latest board used the Power QUICC III. > > http://vision.cmit.csiro.au/expertise/hymod/ > > Would be nice to have the resources to do that sort of thing. > > John. > > -- > http://members.optushome.com.au/jekent > > |
