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I'm searching for an HC11P1 C Compiler. We have been using Introl C 4.1 with the HC11F1 for a while. I'm starting an new project using the HC11P1 and I just discovered that Introl 4.1 does not support this variant correctly, and www.introl.com is gone, making purchasing an upgrade impossible. I require an compiler/library that: Supplies library source code Library code must be reenterent. I use a home grown multitasker! Support inline assembly (for those time critical functions) Supports 32 bit long ints Supports 32 bit float 64 bit float support optional, but a plus!!! MUST have localtime, mktime, (time.h library support, RTC on CB) Supports fopen, fclose, fprintf, fscanf, etc... I will have 4 character devices in the system, 3 serial ports and one LCD. These all need to be accessible as files... lcd = fopen("/dev/lcd", "w"); fprintf(lcd, "Hello World!"); An IDE that hosts on linux is: desirable += 1000; Any suggestions? Matt -- 'Trying to make bits uncopyable is like trying to make water not wet. The sooner people accept this, and build business models that take this into account, the sooner people will start making money again.' -- Bruce Schneier |
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68HC11P1 C Compiler
Started by ●January 31, 2004
Reply by ●February 1, 20042004-02-01
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Hello Matthew, If you want to give a try: Metrowerks CodeWarrior for HC11: ftp://ftp3.metrowerks.com/pub/dropzone/HC11CodeWarrior_Mot1.0.exe See below for comments. > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew T. Linehan [mailto:] > Sent: Sonntag, 1. Februar 2004 01:00 > To: > Subject: [m68HC11] 68HC11P1 C Compiler > I'm searching for an HC11P1 C Compiler. > > We have been using Introl C 4.1 with the HC11F1 for a while. > I'm starting an new project using the HC11P1 and I just > discovered that Introl 4.1 does not support this variant > correctly, and www.introl.com is gone, making purchasing an > upgrade impossible. > > I require an compiler/library that: > Supplies library source code Yes. > Library code must be reenterent. I use a home grown multitasker! Yes. > Support inline assembly (for those time critical functions) Yes. > Supports 32 bit long ints Yes. > Supports 32 bit float Yes. > 64 bit float support optional, but a plus!!! Supported. > MUST have localtime, mktime, (time.h library support, RTC on CB) No, sorry. If you have it for Introl, you may port it over? > Supports fopen, fclose, fprintf, fscanf, etc... > I will have 4 character devices in the system, 3 serial ports > and one LCD. These all need to be accessible as files... > lcd = fopen("/dev/lcd", "w"); fprintf(lcd, "Hello World!"); Possible, but you have to adapt and rebuild the library. > > An IDE that hosts on linux is: desirable += 1000; Yes, but not in the above download package. Erich > > Any suggestions? > > Matt > -- > 'Trying to make bits uncopyable is like trying to make water > not wet. The sooner people accept this, and build business > models that take this into account, the sooner people will > start making money again.' -- Bruce Schneier > > |
Reply by ●February 2, 20042004-02-02
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Hi, At 2004-02-01 01:00, Matthew T. Linehan wrote: >I'm searching for an HC11P1 C Compiler. I wrote an 6811 compiler and assembler and linker years ago that I used myself for production code for years working for a company. When it wouldn't have been good, I wouldn't have used it or I would have improved it. The latter of which I frequently did of course (during the weekends). I'd be willing to turn it into an open source project if I got some help. >We have been using Introl C 4.1 with the HC11F1 for a while. I'm >starting an new project using the HC11P1 and I just discovered that >Introl 4.1 does not support this variant correctly, and www.introl.com >is gone, making purchasing an upgrade impossible. > >I require an compiler/library that: > Supplies library source code Yes, most of the standard C-library source code I have written myself, but you can also use the ones from Linux or FreeBSD or whatever. > Library code must be reenterent. I use a home grown multitasker! Of course all of the produced code is reenterent. Does non-reenterent code producing compilers for the 6811 ever exist? For stack-impared processors like the 6805/08 or 6851 that may make sense, but not for the 6811 I would think. > Support inline assembly (for those time critical functions) Of course. And I wrote the assembler myself and it's also very high level, with typing, arrays, structs etc. > Supports 32 bit long ints Yes, I think so. It mainly consists of calling functions, that you may provide yourself. > Supports 32 bit float > 64 bit float support optional, but a plus!!! No floats. I hate floats. At the speed of a 6811, floats are generally not very useful and it's usually better to reeducate the programmer. ;-) > MUST have localtime, mktime, (time.h library support, RTC on CB) > Supports fopen, fclose, fprintf, fscanf, etc... > I will have 4 character devices in the system, 3 serial ports > and one LCD. These all need to be accessible as files... > lcd = fopen("/dev/lcd", "w"); fprintf(lcd, "Hello World!"); The problem is that providing the standard C functions that have no interaction with the OS is simple, but the problem starts when one has to deal with the OS, but the OS should provide the library functions then I think and didn't you write the multitasker? By the way, I also used it to multitask (upto 200 jobs for remote devices) but not with some intermediate Unix-like layer, so I didn't need all kinds of Unix file functions. The main problems with an 6811 are speed and memory space and both are limited and therefore not to be wasted. >An IDE that hosts on linux is: desirable += 1000; I have hosted the compiler (and the rest) over the years on: - Our own self-build 6809-system with a self ported Unix - Xenix - DEC 64-bits Alpha processor based Unix - Linux >Any suggestions? I'm willing to make my code open source, but only with a lot of serious help, but you're probably looking for a ready to use turn-key solution (which I can't blame you for) so I think you'd better try some of the other compilers that you haven't tried yet. And a serious tool may cost money... Greetings, Jaap |
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Reply by ●February 2, 20042004-02-02
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Does anyone know what happened to Introl and Richard Pennington? The Introl compiler had very good reviews and a lot of happy clients. Bfn, Bob Furber __________________________________________________________ Connect your micro to the internet the easy way www.microcommander.com Microcontroller with an obscenity of I/O & features ..in a small footprint www.steroidmicros.com __________________________________________________________ |
Reply by ●February 2, 20042004-02-02
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Hi Bob -- I, too, had a long run of success with the Introl tools on a MC68332 based embedded controller project. I sorely miss the presence of Introl. My last contact with Rich was through the email group. You might try him there. Best wishes, Bob Smith --- Avoid computer viruses, Practice safe hex --- -- Specializing in small, cost effective embedded control systems -- http://www.smithmachineworks.com/embedprod.html Robert L. (Bob) Smith Smith Machine Works, Inc. 9900 Lumlay Road Richmond, VA 23236 804/745-1065 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Furber" <> To: <> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 2:10 PM Subject: RE: [m68HC11] 68HC11P1 C Compiler > Does anyone know what happened to Introl and Richard Pennington? > > The Introl compiler had very good reviews and a lot of happy clients. > > Bfn, > > Bob Furber > > __________________________________________________________ > > Connect your micro to the internet the easy way > www.microcommander.com > > Microcontroller with an obscenity of I/O & features > ..in a small footprint www.steroidmicros.com > __________________________________________________________ |
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Reply by ●February 2, 20042004-02-02
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Indeed the group is still active and Rich has posted to it as recently as Nov 11, 2003. I've been trying to join the group for the last 2 hours but yahoo requires e-mail address verification before you can join. The verify messages are not making it through to my inbox. If anyone can get a message to Rich, it would be appreciated. I just spent the entire weekend downloading and evaluating demo hc11 c compilers. In my opinion, none of them touch Introl-Code. Introl has the most complete C library bar none. I'm still running Introl-Code 4.00.1.5. Which has some problems supporting the P2 variant, but I think I have managed to correct the problems myself by editing a couple errors in text files that the IDE reads for directions on how to setup the vector table and the internal peripherals. (*.ddf and *.cfg files) If anyone can get a message to Rich, I _want_ to write him a _check_ to upgrade from 4.00.1.5 to the last released version of Introl-Code 4.01.1.x archive.org has some of the www.introl.com site in it's archive. Matt On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:05:53 -0500, you wrote: >My last contact with Rich was through the > email group. You might try him >there. -- 'Trying to make bits uncopyable is like trying to make water not wet. The sooner people accept this, and build business models that take this into account, the sooner people will start making money again.' -- Bruce Schneier |
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Reply by ●February 2, 20042004-02-02
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I had the same problem with Yahoo when Motorola dropped the majordomo list. I use an alias via IEEE and it wouldn't accept that. I had to use my work account to enrol, then once enrolled was able to assign my IEEE account to actually receive the mail. I did some tests with various C compilers for the 68HC11 when I was teaching college and found that Imagecraft ICC11 was by far the most efficient of the lower-cost/free ones. in terms of code space used. I have not been exposed to Introl so can't offer a comparison - others may set me straight. regards, NIgel Johnson At 20:42 04-02-02, you wrote: >Indeed the group is still active and Rich has posted to it as recently >as Nov 11, 2003. > >I've been trying to join the group for the last 2 hours but yahoo >requires e-mail address verification before you can join. The verify >messages are not making it through to my inbox. Nigel W. Johnson MCSE, Mem.IEEE VE3ID / G4AJQ Web site: http://nigel.homelinux.net If you want me to have it ready yesterday, you'd better come back the day before and ask me. |
Reply by ●February 3, 20042004-02-03
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Jaap van Ganswijk wrote: [...] > > Library code must be reenterent. I use a home grown multitasker! > > Of course all of the produced code is reenterent. Does > non-reenterent code producing compilers for the 6811 ever > exist? Yes, the Hi-Tech compiler used some fixed address temp storage, and the ICC11 also since it used the old FP routines from Gordon Doughman. IIRC, that's fixed in the meantime. [...] > No floats. I hate floats. At the speed of a 6811, > floats are generally not very useful and it's usually > better to reeducate the programmer. ;-) Float can be as fast as 32 bit ints. Oliver -- Oliver Betz, Muenchen |
