Hey Paul,
When is version 2 going to be ready for ARMs????????? I see the AVR and TI
have theirs. Also what will the upgrade cost be, if any. I would love to
have more than 2 breakpoints. And any other bell and whistle that come with
upgrading.
Thanks,
Michael Freeman
Update Systems, Inc.
Crossworks Version 2
Started by ●February 23, 2009
Reply by ●February 23, 20092009-02-23
Hi,
> Hey Paul,
> When is version 2 going to be ready for ARMs????????? I see the AVR
> and TI have theirs.
Some time. The V2 for ARM is going to be rather bigger splash than the V2
for the other products because, um, yes, it will be. We don't really
pre-advertise what we're doing to any great extent, it only leads to
disappointment when we (inevitably) don't deliver on time. I would say some
time in H109, but could be Q309. There's a lot of foul to arrange in a
linear fashion.
> Also what will the upgrade cost be, if any. I would love to
> have more than 2 breakpoints. And any other bell and whistle that come
with
> upgrading.
$750.
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
> Hey Paul,
> When is version 2 going to be ready for ARMs????????? I see the AVR
> and TI have theirs.
Some time. The V2 for ARM is going to be rather bigger splash than the V2
for the other products because, um, yes, it will be. We don't really
pre-advertise what we're doing to any great extent, it only leads to
disappointment when we (inevitably) don't deliver on time. I would say some
time in H109, but could be Q309. There's a lot of foul to arrange in a
linear fashion.
> Also what will the upgrade cost be, if any. I would love to
> have more than 2 breakpoints. And any other bell and whistle that come
with
> upgrading.
$750.
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
Reply by ●February 23, 20092009-02-23
A lot of foul? I hope not.
Maybe fowl...
--jc
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Paul Curtis wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > Hey Paul,
> > When is version 2 going to be ready for ARMs????????? I see the AVR
> > and TI have theirs.
>
> Some time. The V2 for ARM is going to be rather bigger splash than the V2
> for the other products because, um, yes, it will be. We don't really
> pre-advertise what we're doing to any great extent, it only leads to
> disappointment when we (inevitably) don't deliver on time. I would say some
> time in H109, but could be Q309. There's a lot of foul to arrange in a
> linear fashion.
>
> > Also what will the upgrade cost be, if any. I would love to
> > have more than 2 breakpoints. And any other bell and whistle that come
> with
> > upgrading.
>
> $750.
>
> --
> Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
>
>
>
Maybe fowl...
--jc
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Paul Curtis wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > Hey Paul,
> > When is version 2 going to be ready for ARMs????????? I see the AVR
> > and TI have theirs.
>
> Some time. The V2 for ARM is going to be rather bigger splash than the V2
> for the other products because, um, yes, it will be. We don't really
> pre-advertise what we're doing to any great extent, it only leads to
> disappointment when we (inevitably) don't deliver on time. I would say some
> time in H109, but could be Q309. There's a lot of foul to arrange in a
> linear fashion.
>
> > Also what will the upgrade cost be, if any. I would love to
> > have more than 2 breakpoints. And any other bell and whistle that come
> with
> > upgrading.
>
> $750.
>
> --
> Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
>
>
>
Reply by ●February 23, 20092009-02-23
Sorry, fowl. :-/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: l... [mailto:l...] On Behalf
Of
> J.C. Wren
> Sent: 23 February 2009 22:14
> To: l...
> Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Crossworks Version 2
>
> A lot of foul? I hope not.
>
> Maybe fowl...
>
> --jc
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Paul Curtis wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > Hey Paul,
> > > When is version 2 going to be ready for ARMs????????? I see the AVR
> > > and TI have theirs.
> >
> > Some time. The V2 for ARM is going to be rather bigger splash than the
V2
> > for the other products because, um, yes, it will be. We don't really
> > pre-advertise what we're doing to any great extent, it only leads to
> > disappointment when we (inevitably) don't deliver on time. I would say
> some
> > time in H109, but could be Q309. There's a lot of foul to arrange in a
> > linear fashion.
> >
> > > Also what will the upgrade cost be, if any. I would love to
> > > have more than 2 breakpoints. And any other bell and whistle that come
> > with
> > > upgrading.
> >
> > $750.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> > CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: l... [mailto:l...] On Behalf
Of
> J.C. Wren
> Sent: 23 February 2009 22:14
> To: l...
> Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Crossworks Version 2
>
> A lot of foul? I hope not.
>
> Maybe fowl...
>
> --jc
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Paul Curtis wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > Hey Paul,
> > > When is version 2 going to be ready for ARMs????????? I see the AVR
> > > and TI have theirs.
> >
> > Some time. The V2 for ARM is going to be rather bigger splash than the
V2
> > for the other products because, um, yes, it will be. We don't really
> > pre-advertise what we're doing to any great extent, it only leads to
> > disappointment when we (inevitably) don't deliver on time. I would say
> some
> > time in H109, but could be Q309. There's a lot of foul to arrange in a
> > linear fashion.
> >
> > > Also what will the upgrade cost be, if any. I would love to
> > > have more than 2 breakpoints. And any other bell and whistle that come
> > with
> > > upgrading.
> >
> > $750.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> > CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Reply by ●February 24, 20092009-02-24
>> Hey Paul,
>> When is version 2 going to be ready for ARMs????????? I see the AVR
>> and TI have theirs.
>
> Some time.
(...)
Is the rumour true that Crossworks 2 does not support the simultaneous
display of more than one source file?
That is, good old "MDI" (multipe document workspace) is dead?
I would have to switch from one source file to the other?
I severely hope that that's a mere rumour. It would be a brain-dead
design decision, given that the typical monitor's resolution has been
increased in the last few years, not decreased.
Hey, I'm sitting in front of a 20" UXGA display, displaying 1600x1200
pixel - and now I should see but ONE sourcefile?
No. Can't be true.
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>> When is version 2 going to be ready for ARMs????????? I see the AVR
>> and TI have theirs.
>
> Some time.
(...)
Is the rumour true that Crossworks 2 does not support the simultaneous
display of more than one source file?
That is, good old "MDI" (multipe document workspace) is dead?
I would have to switch from one source file to the other?
I severely hope that that's a mere rumour. It would be a brain-dead
design decision, given that the typical monitor's resolution has been
increased in the last few years, not decreased.
Hey, I'm sitting in front of a 20" UXGA display, displaying 1600x1200
pixel - and now I should see but ONE sourcefile?
No. Can't be true.
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Reply by ●February 24, 20092009-02-24
Hi,
> >> Hey Paul,
> >> When is version 2 going to be ready for ARMs????????? I see the AVR
> >> and TI have theirs.
> >
> > Some time.
> (...)
>
> Is the rumour true that Crossworks 2 does not support the simultaneous
> display of more than one source file?
I think it's more than a rumour.
> That is, good old "MDI" (multipe document workspace) is dead?
> I would have to switch from one source file to the other?
MDI had severe (and I mean, *really* severe) problems in Qt 3.3 that we use
to build CrossStudio. It was so bad that I really had to remove it.
> I severely hope that that's a mere rumour. It would be a brain-dead
> design decision, given that the typical monitor's resolution has been
> increased in the last few years, not decreased.
I implemented MDI display with CrossWorks V1 along with TDI and SDI. It
wasn't pleasant keeping everything in trim. However, Michael keeps asking
for a capability to display more than one source file at a time--and this is
something that I am working on.
> Hey, I'm sitting in front of a 20" UXGA display, displaying 1600x1200
> pixel - and now I should see but ONE sourcefile?
I have a 30" display and never feel the need to display more than one source
file in CrossWorks or Visual Studio.
Note that in V2, if you select a file in the Project Explorer by clicking
it, you can have a quick peek at it by pressing . Like OS X. I use
it quite a bit.
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
> >> Hey Paul,
> >> When is version 2 going to be ready for ARMs????????? I see the AVR
> >> and TI have theirs.
> >
> > Some time.
> (...)
>
> Is the rumour true that Crossworks 2 does not support the simultaneous
> display of more than one source file?
I think it's more than a rumour.
> That is, good old "MDI" (multipe document workspace) is dead?
> I would have to switch from one source file to the other?
MDI had severe (and I mean, *really* severe) problems in Qt 3.3 that we use
to build CrossStudio. It was so bad that I really had to remove it.
> I severely hope that that's a mere rumour. It would be a brain-dead
> design decision, given that the typical monitor's resolution has been
> increased in the last few years, not decreased.
I implemented MDI display with CrossWorks V1 along with TDI and SDI. It
wasn't pleasant keeping everything in trim. However, Michael keeps asking
for a capability to display more than one source file at a time--and this is
something that I am working on.
> Hey, I'm sitting in front of a 20" UXGA display, displaying 1600x1200
> pixel - and now I should see but ONE sourcefile?
I have a 30" display and never feel the need to display more than one source
file in CrossWorks or Visual Studio.
Note that in V2, if you select a file in the Project Explorer by clicking
it, you can have a quick peek at it by pressing . Like OS X. I use
it quite a bit.
--
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CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
Reply by ●February 24, 20092009-02-24
>> Is the rumour true that Crossworks 2 does not
support the simultaneous
>> display of more than one source file?
>
> I think it's more than a rumour.
[expletive deleted]
Anyway, thanks for the inside information and short reply-time. One
reason why I'm currently trying to get my company's approval to buy
Crossworks for further development is the kind of support offered by
Rowley and that someone with real knowledge answers support requests.
Not some nerds from the marketing department ...
>> That is, good old "MDI" (multipe document workspace) is dead?
>> I would have to switch from one source file to the other?
>
> MDI had severe (and I mean, *really* severe) problems in Qt 3.3 that we use
> to build CrossStudio. It was so bad that I really had to remove it.
[expletive deleted] - Well, what I've seen on a former colleague's
computer (he's using Crossworks 1.4 for msp430), the MDI support there
was rather, well, er, basic. But at least it was there.
> I implemented MDI display with CrossWorks V1 along with TDI and SDI. It
> wasn't pleasant keeping everything in trim. However, Michael keeps asking
> for a capability to display more than one source file at a time--and this is
> something that I am working on.
So there's some hope. At least.
>> Hey, I'm sitting in front of a 20" UXGA display, displaying 1600x1200
>> pixel - and now I should see but ONE sourcefile?
>
> I have a 30" display and never feel the need to display more than one source
> file in CrossWorks or Visual Studio.
Well, of course everyone has his or her own way of doing things, but not
everyone is happy with the way things are done. With a tool like a
compiler's IDE it is of utmost importance that the behaviour can be
configured to suit one's tastes. I'm working with various versions of
visual studio, 2008 being the last version, and I particularly like the
way MDI is handled. The side bar (that is, the region the project
explorer resides in) can auto-hide, the output window (build,
find-in-files etc) can auto-hide, nothing I don't want to see has to be
hidden and un-hidden manually, just moving the mouse pointer to the side
or bottom auto-unhides the information. And when concentrating on source
code, I only see source code, and I can fill all screen real estate with
as much source code windows as I like.
Long rant, short message: If possible, please try to cater more than one
way of doing things.
Yeah, the 30" display still lingers in my company's approval department.
>
> Note that in V2, if you select a file in the Project Explorer by clicking
> it, you can have a quick peek at it by pressing . Like OS X. I use
> it quite a bit.
Well, that I'll have to check out ...
Unfortunately, I have still to use Windows machines for professional
development.
A, one more thing:
Should I (or my company) decide to buy a crossworks license, would it
require a new licence were I to switch from Windows to Mac OS X?
Thanks,
Bernd.
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>> display of more than one source file?
>
> I think it's more than a rumour.
[expletive deleted]
Anyway, thanks for the inside information and short reply-time. One
reason why I'm currently trying to get my company's approval to buy
Crossworks for further development is the kind of support offered by
Rowley and that someone with real knowledge answers support requests.
Not some nerds from the marketing department ...
>> That is, good old "MDI" (multipe document workspace) is dead?
>> I would have to switch from one source file to the other?
>
> MDI had severe (and I mean, *really* severe) problems in Qt 3.3 that we use
> to build CrossStudio. It was so bad that I really had to remove it.
[expletive deleted] - Well, what I've seen on a former colleague's
computer (he's using Crossworks 1.4 for msp430), the MDI support there
was rather, well, er, basic. But at least it was there.
> I implemented MDI display with CrossWorks V1 along with TDI and SDI. It
> wasn't pleasant keeping everything in trim. However, Michael keeps asking
> for a capability to display more than one source file at a time--and this is
> something that I am working on.
So there's some hope. At least.
>> Hey, I'm sitting in front of a 20" UXGA display, displaying 1600x1200
>> pixel - and now I should see but ONE sourcefile?
>
> I have a 30" display and never feel the need to display more than one source
> file in CrossWorks or Visual Studio.
Well, of course everyone has his or her own way of doing things, but not
everyone is happy with the way things are done. With a tool like a
compiler's IDE it is of utmost importance that the behaviour can be
configured to suit one's tastes. I'm working with various versions of
visual studio, 2008 being the last version, and I particularly like the
way MDI is handled. The side bar (that is, the region the project
explorer resides in) can auto-hide, the output window (build,
find-in-files etc) can auto-hide, nothing I don't want to see has to be
hidden and un-hidden manually, just moving the mouse pointer to the side
or bottom auto-unhides the information. And when concentrating on source
code, I only see source code, and I can fill all screen real estate with
as much source code windows as I like.
Long rant, short message: If possible, please try to cater more than one
way of doing things.
Yeah, the 30" display still lingers in my company's approval department.
>
> Note that in V2, if you select a file in the Project Explorer by clicking
> it, you can have a quick peek at it by pressing . Like OS X. I use
> it quite a bit.
Well, that I'll have to check out ...
Unfortunately, I have still to use Windows machines for professional
development.
A, one more thing:
Should I (or my company) decide to buy a crossworks license, would it
require a new licence were I to switch from Windows to Mac OS X?
Thanks,
Bernd.
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Reply by ●February 24, 20092009-02-24
Hi Bernd,
> > MDI had severe (and I mean, *really* severe) problems in Qt 3.3 that we
> use
> > to build CrossStudio. It was so bad that I really had to remove it.
>
> [expletive deleted] - Well, what I've seen on a former colleague's
> computer (he's using Crossworks 1.4 for msp430), the MDI support there
> was rather, well, er, basic. But at least it was there.
You haven't seen the problems it causes on non-Windows machines. It works
ok on Linux and X11, but fails completely on OS X. Keeping four OS
developments alive, testing them all out, and making sure everything works
as expected across all platforms means that, sometimes, things have to get
dropped. The world is not just Windows any more.
> So there's some hope. At least.
Yes. Michael keeps bringing it up. However, I have a *long* list of
requests for features in CrossStudio. I also have my on ideas for the next
generation which may come, oh, I dunno, sometime in the next five years.
> Well, of course everyone has his or her own way of doing things, but not
> everyone is happy with the way things are done. With a tool like a
> compiler's IDE it is of utmost importance that the behaviour can be
> configured to suit one's tastes. I'm working with various versions of
> visual studio, 2008 being the last version, and I particularly like the
> way MDI is handled. The side bar (that is, the region the project
> explorer resides in) can auto-hide, the output window (build,
> find-in-files etc) can auto-hide, nothing I don't want to see has to be
> hidden and un-hidden manually, just moving the mouse pointer to the side
> or bottom auto-unhides the information. And when concentrating on source
> code, I only see source code, and I can fill all screen real estate with
> as much source code windows as I like.
We do have perspectives in V2. Did you ever try them out? (Take a look at
CrossWorks for MSP430 V2, it has a nice perspective that drops everything
for a decluttered editing experience.)
> Long rant, short message: If possible, please try to cater more than one
> way of doing things.
Feature creep is something we're trying to avoid. Right now CrossStudio is
terribly big and quite complex. I'm continually looking for sweeter
solutions. I have some great ideas, but it's having the time and energy to
get them implemented.
> > Note that in V2, if you select a file in the Project Explorer by
clicking
> > it, you can have a quick peek at it by pressing . Like OS X. I
> use
> > it quite a bit.
>
> Well, that I'll have to check out ...
>
> Unfortunately, I have still to use Windows machines for professional
> development.
You can use that shotcut it on Windows too.
> A, one more thing:
>
> Should I (or my company) decide to buy a crossworks license, would it
> require a new licence were I to switch from Windows to Mac OS X?
We license per developer, not per platform. Have it on Windows *and* OS
X--that's just fine by me. There is no *or* here and no "transfer". I
wonder how many customers actually read our licensing terms and really
understand what we allow them to do--going by the number of enquiries I
receive about licensing, I suspect not many actually do read out our
licensing.
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
> > MDI had severe (and I mean, *really* severe) problems in Qt 3.3 that we
> use
> > to build CrossStudio. It was so bad that I really had to remove it.
>
> [expletive deleted] - Well, what I've seen on a former colleague's
> computer (he's using Crossworks 1.4 for msp430), the MDI support there
> was rather, well, er, basic. But at least it was there.
You haven't seen the problems it causes on non-Windows machines. It works
ok on Linux and X11, but fails completely on OS X. Keeping four OS
developments alive, testing them all out, and making sure everything works
as expected across all platforms means that, sometimes, things have to get
dropped. The world is not just Windows any more.
> So there's some hope. At least.
Yes. Michael keeps bringing it up. However, I have a *long* list of
requests for features in CrossStudio. I also have my on ideas for the next
generation which may come, oh, I dunno, sometime in the next five years.
> Well, of course everyone has his or her own way of doing things, but not
> everyone is happy with the way things are done. With a tool like a
> compiler's IDE it is of utmost importance that the behaviour can be
> configured to suit one's tastes. I'm working with various versions of
> visual studio, 2008 being the last version, and I particularly like the
> way MDI is handled. The side bar (that is, the region the project
> explorer resides in) can auto-hide, the output window (build,
> find-in-files etc) can auto-hide, nothing I don't want to see has to be
> hidden and un-hidden manually, just moving the mouse pointer to the side
> or bottom auto-unhides the information. And when concentrating on source
> code, I only see source code, and I can fill all screen real estate with
> as much source code windows as I like.
We do have perspectives in V2. Did you ever try them out? (Take a look at
CrossWorks for MSP430 V2, it has a nice perspective that drops everything
for a decluttered editing experience.)
> Long rant, short message: If possible, please try to cater more than one
> way of doing things.
Feature creep is something we're trying to avoid. Right now CrossStudio is
terribly big and quite complex. I'm continually looking for sweeter
solutions. I have some great ideas, but it's having the time and energy to
get them implemented.
> > Note that in V2, if you select a file in the Project Explorer by
clicking
> > it, you can have a quick peek at it by pressing . Like OS X. I
> use
> > it quite a bit.
>
> Well, that I'll have to check out ...
>
> Unfortunately, I have still to use Windows machines for professional
> development.
You can use that shotcut it on Windows too.
> A, one more thing:
>
> Should I (or my company) decide to buy a crossworks license, would it
> require a new licence were I to switch from Windows to Mac OS X?
We license per developer, not per platform. Have it on Windows *and* OS
X--that's just fine by me. There is no *or* here and no "transfer". I
wonder how many customers actually read our licensing terms and really
understand what we allow them to do--going by the number of enquiries I
receive about licensing, I suspect not many actually do read out our
licensing.
--
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CrossWorks for ARM, MSP430, AVR, MAXQ, and now Cortex-M3 processors
Reply by ●February 24, 20092009-02-24
>> A, one more thing:
>>
>> Should I (or my company) decide to buy a crossworks license, would it
>> require a new licence were I to switch from Windows to Mac OS X?
>
> We license per developer, not per platform. Have it on Windows *and* OS
> X--that's just fine by me. There is no *or* here and no "transfer". I
> wonder how many customers actually read our licensing terms and really
> understand what we allow them to do--going by the number of enquiries I
> receive about licensing, I suspect not many actually do read out our
> licensing.
I've read them, but plainly didn't believe them to be true.
Keep up the good work,
Bernd
(soon a customer)
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>>
>> Should I (or my company) decide to buy a crossworks license, would it
>> require a new licence were I to switch from Windows to Mac OS X?
>
> We license per developer, not per platform. Have it on Windows *and* OS
> X--that's just fine by me. There is no *or* here and no "transfer". I
> wonder how many customers actually read our licensing terms and really
> understand what we allow them to do--going by the number of enquiries I
> receive about licensing, I suspect not many actually do read out our
> licensing.
I've read them, but plainly didn't believe them to be true.
Keep up the good work,
Bernd
(soon a customer)
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> We do have perspectives in V2. Did you ever try them
out? (Take a look at
> CrossWorks for MSP430 V2, it has a nice perspective that drops everything
> for a decluttered editing experience.)
Pray tell, how does this work on Windows, using CW 2.0.3?
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> CrossWorks for MSP430 V2, it has a nice perspective that drops everything
> for a decluttered editing experience.)
Pray tell, how does this work on Windows, using CW 2.0.3?
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