Hi
For all interested, I have purcahsed a Card Bus Serial card to work with flash
Magic (Startech 2 Port 16950 Serial RS-232 CardBus Adapter)
and it works like magic on my laptop.
Regards
Jean-Jacques
Flash Magic and USB serial port
Started by ●October 17, 2009
Reply by ●October 17, 20092009-10-17
Just for the record:
Flash magic with FT232Q USB/TTL also works correctly.
Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
http://www.nbee.es
+34 91 120 1798
+34 636 52 25 69
skype: ajoajoajo
2009/10/17 jdauchot
> Hi
>
> For all interested, I have purcahsed a Card Bus Serial card to work with
> flash Magic (Startech 2 Port 16950 Serial RS-232 CardBus Adapter)
> and it works like magic on my laptop.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean-Jacques
>
>
>
Flash magic with FT232Q USB/TTL also works correctly.
Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
http://www.nbee.es
+34 91 120 1798
+34 636 52 25 69
skype: ajoajoajo
2009/10/17 jdauchot
> Hi
>
> For all interested, I have purcahsed a Card Bus Serial card to work with
> flash Magic (Startech 2 Port 16950 Serial RS-232 CardBus Adapter)
> and it works like magic on my laptop.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean-Jacques
>
>
>
Reply by ●October 17, 20092009-10-17
Hi
Well, what understand from flash Magic is that they do not like USB to serial converters
Regards
--- In l..., Miguel Angel wrote:
>
> Just for the record:
> Flash magic with FT232Q USB/TTL also works correctly.
>
> Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> http://www.nbee.es
> +34 91 120 1798
> +34 636 52 25 69
> skype: ajoajoajo
> 2009/10/17 jdauchot >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > For all interested, I have purcahsed a Card Bus Serial card to work with
> > flash Magic (Startech 2 Port 16950 Serial RS-232 CardBus Adapter)
> > and it works like magic on my laptop.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jean-Jacques
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Well, what understand from flash Magic is that they do not like USB to serial converters
Regards
--- In l..., Miguel Angel wrote:
>
> Just for the record:
> Flash magic with FT232Q USB/TTL also works correctly.
>
> Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> http://www.nbee.es
> +34 91 120 1798
> +34 636 52 25 69
> skype: ajoajoajo
> 2009/10/17 jdauchot >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > For all interested, I have purcahsed a Card Bus Serial card to work with
> > flash Magic (Startech 2 Port 16950 Serial RS-232 CardBus Adapter)
> > and it works like magic on my laptop.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jean-Jacques
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Reply by ●October 17, 20092009-10-17
This is a change in the latest versions? Where did you get that from?
I've been working with the FT232Q for years...
Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
http://www.nbee.es
+34 91 120 1798
+34 636 52 25 69
skype: ajoajoajo
2009/10/17 jdauchot
> Hi
>
> Well, what understand from flash Magic is that they do not like USB to
> serial converters
>
> Regards
>
> --- In l... , Miguel Angel
> wrote:
> >
> > Just for the record:
> > Flash magic with FT232Q USB/TTL also works correctly.
> >
> > Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> > http://www.nbee.es
> > +34 91 120 1798
> > +34 636 52 25 69
> > skype: ajoajoajo
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/17 jdauchot
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > For all interested, I have purcahsed a Card Bus Serial card to work
> with
> > > flash Magic (Startech 2 Port 16950 Serial RS-232 CardBus Adapter)
> > > and it works like magic on my laptop.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Jean-Jacques
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
I've been working with the FT232Q for years...
Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
http://www.nbee.es
+34 91 120 1798
+34 636 52 25 69
skype: ajoajoajo
2009/10/17 jdauchot
> Hi
>
> Well, what understand from flash Magic is that they do not like USB to
> serial converters
>
> Regards
>
> --- In l... , Miguel Angel
> wrote:
> >
> > Just for the record:
> > Flash magic with FT232Q USB/TTL also works correctly.
> >
> > Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> > http://www.nbee.es
> > +34 91 120 1798
> > +34 636 52 25 69
> > skype: ajoajoajo
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/17 jdauchot
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > For all interested, I have purcahsed a Card Bus Serial card to work
> with
> > > flash Magic (Startech 2 Port 16950 Serial RS-232 CardBus Adapter)
> > > and it works like magic on my laptop.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Jean-Jacques
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Reply by ●October 17, 20092009-10-17
Hi This is from flash magic people OK
Hi Jean-Jacques,
USB to RS232 cables are a huge pain and often don't work properly.
Unfortunately I don't know which ones do work. I would suggest trying a different one or buying a PCI/PCMCIA card with COM ports.
regards, Andy
Regards
JJ
--- In l..., Miguel Angel wrote:
>
> This is a change in the latest versions? Where did you get that from?
>
> I've been working with the FT232Q for years...
> Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> http://www.nbee.es
> +34 91 120 1798
> +34 636 52 25 69
> skype: ajoajoajo
> 2009/10/17 jdauchot >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Well, what understand from flash Magic is that they do not like USB to
> > serial converters
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > --- In l... , Miguel Angel
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Just for the record:
> > > Flash magic with FT232Q USB/TTL also works correctly.
> > >
> > > Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> > > http://www.nbee.es
> > > +34 91 120 1798
> > > +34 636 52 25 69
> > > skype: ajoajoajo
> > >
> > >
> > > 2009/10/17 jdauchot
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > For all interested, I have purcahsed a Card Bus Serial card to work
> > with
> > > > flash Magic (Startech 2 Port 16950 Serial RS-232 CardBus Adapter)
> > > > and it works like magic on my laptop.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Jean-Jacques
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Hi Jean-Jacques,
USB to RS232 cables are a huge pain and often don't work properly.
Unfortunately I don't know which ones do work. I would suggest trying a different one or buying a PCI/PCMCIA card with COM ports.
regards, Andy
Regards
JJ
--- In l..., Miguel Angel wrote:
>
> This is a change in the latest versions? Where did you get that from?
>
> I've been working with the FT232Q for years...
> Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> http://www.nbee.es
> +34 91 120 1798
> +34 636 52 25 69
> skype: ajoajoajo
> 2009/10/17 jdauchot >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Well, what understand from flash Magic is that they do not like USB to
> > serial converters
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > --- In l... , Miguel Angel
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Just for the record:
> > > Flash magic with FT232Q USB/TTL also works correctly.
> > >
> > > Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> > > http://www.nbee.es
> > > +34 91 120 1798
> > > +34 636 52 25 69
> > > skype: ajoajoajo
> > >
> > >
> > > 2009/10/17 jdauchot
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > For all interested, I have purcahsed a Card Bus Serial card to work
> > with
> > > > flash Magic (Startech 2 Port 16950 Serial RS-232 CardBus Adapter)
> > > > and it works like magic on my laptop.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Jean-Jacques
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Reply by ●October 17, 20092009-10-17
--- In l..., "jdauchot" wrote:
>
> Hi This is from flash magic people OK
>
> Hi Jean-Jacques,
>
> USB to RS232 cables are a huge pain and often don't work properly.
> Unfortunately I don't know which ones do work. I would suggest trying a different one or buying a PCI/PCMCIA card with COM ports.
>
> regards, Andy
>
> Regards
>
> JJ
I often use Flash Magic to program one of my LPCxxxx boards through USB... However, I use another LPC2144 (soon to be LPC2366) in-between that, acting as a bridge between USB and RS-232 to that remote board. Software is LPCUSB and is just part of my bootloader which can be told to be a plain old bridge.
BTW, I find that 38.4 K Baud works best with the autobaud for some reason.
boB
> --- In l..., Miguel Angel wrote:
> >
> > This is a change in the latest versions? Where did you get that from?
> >
> > I've been working with the FT232Q for years...
> >
> >
> > Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> > http://www.nbee.es
> > +34 91 120 1798
> > +34 636 52 25 69
> > skype: ajoajoajo
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/17 jdauchot
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Well, what understand from flash Magic is that they do not like USB to
> > > serial converters
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > --- In l... , Miguel Angel
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just for the record:
> > > > Flash magic with FT232Q USB/TTL also works correctly.
> > > >
> > > > Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> > > > http://www.nbee.es
> > > > +34 91 120 1798
> > > > +34 636 52 25 69
> > > > skype: ajoajoajo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2009/10/17 jdauchot
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > For all interested, I have purcahsed a Card Bus Serial card to work
> > > with
> > > > > flash Magic (Startech 2 Port 16950 Serial RS-232 CardBus Adapter)
> > > > > and it works like magic on my laptop.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Jean-Jacques
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Hi This is from flash magic people OK
>
> Hi Jean-Jacques,
>
> USB to RS232 cables are a huge pain and often don't work properly.
> Unfortunately I don't know which ones do work. I would suggest trying a different one or buying a PCI/PCMCIA card with COM ports.
>
> regards, Andy
>
> Regards
>
> JJ
I often use Flash Magic to program one of my LPCxxxx boards through USB... However, I use another LPC2144 (soon to be LPC2366) in-between that, acting as a bridge between USB and RS-232 to that remote board. Software is LPCUSB and is just part of my bootloader which can be told to be a plain old bridge.
BTW, I find that 38.4 K Baud works best with the autobaud for some reason.
boB
> --- In l..., Miguel Angel wrote:
> >
> > This is a change in the latest versions? Where did you get that from?
> >
> > I've been working with the FT232Q for years...
> >
> >
> > Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> > http://www.nbee.es
> > +34 91 120 1798
> > +34 636 52 25 69
> > skype: ajoajoajo
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/17 jdauchot
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Well, what understand from flash Magic is that they do not like USB to
> > > serial converters
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > --- In l... , Miguel Angel
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just for the record:
> > > > Flash magic with FT232Q USB/TTL also works correctly.
> > > >
> > > > Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> > > > http://www.nbee.es
> > > > +34 91 120 1798
> > > > +34 636 52 25 69
> > > > skype: ajoajoajo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2009/10/17 jdauchot
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > For all interested, I have purcahsed a Card Bus Serial card to work
> > > with
> > > > > flash Magic (Startech 2 Port 16950 Serial RS-232 CardBus Adapter)
> > > > > and it works like magic on my laptop.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Jean-Jacques
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
Reply by ●October 18, 20092009-10-18
I use no-brand USB-RS232 with LPC2103 and no problems whatsoever.
For some reason though, it can;t autobaud sense so I have to set it to 38,400 to make it work with my boards.
Graham
g...@y7mail.com
________________________________
From: bobtransformer
To: l...
Sent: Sun, 18 October, 2009 9:18:25 AM
Subject: [lpc2000] Re: Flash Magic and USB serial port
--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups .com, "jdauchot" wrote:
>
> Hi This is from flash magic people OK
>
> Hi Jean-Jacques,
>
> USB to RS232 cables are a huge pain and often don't work properly.
> Unfortunately I don't know which ones do work. I would suggest trying a different one or buying a PCI/PCMCIA card with COM ports.
>
> regards, Andy
>
> Regards
>
> JJ
I often use Flash Magic to program one of my LPCxxxx boards through USB... However, I use another LPC2144 (soon to be LPC2366) in-between that, acting as a bridge between USB and RS-232 to that remote board. Software is LPCUSB and is just part of my bootloader which can be told to be a plain old bridge.
BTW, I find that 38.4 K Baud works best with the autobaud for some reason.
boB
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups .com, Miguel Angel wrote:
> >
> > This is a change in the latest versions? Where did you get that from?
> >
> > I've been working with the FT232Q for years...
> >
> >
> > Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> > http://www.nbee. es
> > +34 91 120 1798
> > +34 636 52 25 69
> > skype: ajoajoajo
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/17 jdauchot
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Well, what understand from flash Magic is that they do not like USB to
> > > serial converters
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups .com , Miguel Angel
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just for the record:
> > > > Flash magic with FT232Q USB/TTL also works correctly.
> > > >
> > > > Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> > > > http://www.nbee. es
> > > > +34 91 120 1798
> > > > +34 636 52 25 69
> > > > skype: ajoajoajo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2009/10/17 jdauchot
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > For all interested, I have purcahsed a Card Bus Serial card to work
> > > with
> > > > > flash Magic (Startech 2 Port 16950 Serial RS-232 CardBus Adapter)
> > > > > and it works like magic on my laptop.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Jean-Jacques
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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For some reason though, it can;t autobaud sense so I have to set it to 38,400 to make it work with my boards.
Graham
g...@y7mail.com
________________________________
From: bobtransformer
To: l...
Sent: Sun, 18 October, 2009 9:18:25 AM
Subject: [lpc2000] Re: Flash Magic and USB serial port
--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups .com, "jdauchot" wrote:
>
> Hi This is from flash magic people OK
>
> Hi Jean-Jacques,
>
> USB to RS232 cables are a huge pain and often don't work properly.
> Unfortunately I don't know which ones do work. I would suggest trying a different one or buying a PCI/PCMCIA card with COM ports.
>
> regards, Andy
>
> Regards
>
> JJ
I often use Flash Magic to program one of my LPCxxxx boards through USB... However, I use another LPC2144 (soon to be LPC2366) in-between that, acting as a bridge between USB and RS-232 to that remote board. Software is LPCUSB and is just part of my bootloader which can be told to be a plain old bridge.
BTW, I find that 38.4 K Baud works best with the autobaud for some reason.
boB
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups .com, Miguel Angel wrote:
> >
> > This is a change in the latest versions? Where did you get that from?
> >
> > I've been working with the FT232Q for years...
> >
> >
> > Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> > http://www.nbee. es
> > +34 91 120 1798
> > +34 636 52 25 69
> > skype: ajoajoajo
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/17 jdauchot
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Well, what understand from flash Magic is that they do not like USB to
> > > serial converters
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups .com , Miguel Angel
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just for the record:
> > > > Flash magic with FT232Q USB/TTL also works correctly.
> > > >
> > > > Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo
> > > > http://www.nbee. es
> > > > +34 91 120 1798
> > > > +34 636 52 25 69
> > > > skype: ajoajoajo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2009/10/17 jdauchot
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > For all interested, I have purcahsed a Card Bus Serial card to work
> > > with
> > > > > flash Magic (Startech 2 Port 16950 Serial RS-232 CardBus Adapter)
> > > > > and it works like magic on my laptop.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Jean-Jacques
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Reply by ●October 18, 20092009-10-18
At 03:50 AM 10/18/2009, graham jones wrote:
>I use no-brand USB-RS232 with LPC2103 and no problems whatsoever.
>
>For some reason though, it can;t autobaud sense so I have to set it
>to 38,400 to make it work with my boards.
>
> Graham
>g...@y7mail.com
>
I have not used one with a LPC2xxx processor but I find at work when
many brands fail to work, USB to RS232 dongles from IOGear have
always worked even when other brands have failed. I gave a couple to
the maintenance department to connect to CNC controllers and now they
only buy IOGear. I'll find out soon enough, a project I'm working on
will requires one since my PC does not have RS242 ports.
I don't have a clue if they are available outside the USA, but they
typically cost about $14.
Cecil
k5nwa
www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com
< http://parts.softrockradio.org/ >
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
>I use no-brand USB-RS232 with LPC2103 and no problems whatsoever.
>
>For some reason though, it can;t autobaud sense so I have to set it
>to 38,400 to make it work with my boards.
>
> Graham
>g...@y7mail.com
>
I have not used one with a LPC2xxx processor but I find at work when
many brands fail to work, USB to RS232 dongles from IOGear have
always worked even when other brands have failed. I gave a couple to
the maintenance department to connect to CNC controllers and now they
only buy IOGear. I'll find out soon enough, a project I'm working on
will requires one since my PC does not have RS242 ports.
I don't have a clue if they are available outside the USA, but they
typically cost about $14.
Cecil
k5nwa
www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com
< http://parts.softrockradio.org/ >
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Reply by ●October 19, 20092009-10-19
> Hi This is from flash magic people OK
>
> Hi Jean-Jacques,
>
> USB to RS232 cables are a huge pain and often don't work properly.
> Unfortunately I don't know which ones do work. I would suggest trying a different one or buying a PCI/PCMCIA card with COM ports.
>
> regards, Andy
>
> Regards
>
> JJ
>From my experience, some USB to serial converter chips do not bother to implement the DTR and RTS lines correctly. This is ok for phone connection leads etc which to not need these lines. Flash Magic uses these lines to reset the traget and to enable bootloader mode. This is where your problem comes. I have found FTDI chips to be very reliable and work correctly with may different types of programmer software.
We build an FTDI FT232R chip onto our PCB's to provide USB programming for our LPC2148 designs, and this works faultlessly. As an asside we also use a FT323R chip on another board which uses a Rabbit RCM3200 processor which has a much more awkward programming sequence (It changes baudrate on the fly).
So in my experience FTDI USB converters work well, and work with Flash Magic.
Cheers
Martin Honeywill
>
> Hi Jean-Jacques,
>
> USB to RS232 cables are a huge pain and often don't work properly.
> Unfortunately I don't know which ones do work. I would suggest trying a different one or buying a PCI/PCMCIA card with COM ports.
>
> regards, Andy
>
> Regards
>
> JJ
>From my experience, some USB to serial converter chips do not bother to implement the DTR and RTS lines correctly. This is ok for phone connection leads etc which to not need these lines. Flash Magic uses these lines to reset the traget and to enable bootloader mode. This is where your problem comes. I have found FTDI chips to be very reliable and work correctly with may different types of programmer software.
We build an FTDI FT232R chip onto our PCB's to provide USB programming for our LPC2148 designs, and this works faultlessly. As an asside we also use a FT323R chip on another board which uses a Rabbit RCM3200 processor which has a much more awkward programming sequence (It changes baudrate on the fly).
So in my experience FTDI USB converters work well, and work with Flash Magic.
Cheers
Martin Honeywill
Reply by ●October 19, 20092009-10-19
Hi!
PoUSB12 works well.
LPCs are programmed on max speed 230400
Look for it here: www.poscope.com
regards
Boris
------------------
www.poscope.com home of PoScope USB oscilloscope, PoKeys USB IO board and PoUSB12 USB to UART converter
--- In l..., "mhoneywill" wrote:
>
> > Hi This is from flash magic people OK
> >
> > Hi Jean-Jacques,
> >
> > USB to RS232 cables are a huge pain and often don't work properly.
> > Unfortunately I don't know which ones do work. I would suggest trying a different one or buying a PCI/PCMCIA card with COM ports.
> >
> > regards, Andy
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > JJ
>
> From my experience, some USB to serial converter chips do not bother to implement the DTR and RTS lines correctly. This is ok for phone connection leads etc which to not need these lines. Flash Magic uses these lines to reset the traget and to enable bootloader mode. This is where your problem comes. I have found FTDI chips to be very reliable and work correctly with may different types of programmer software.
>
> We build an FTDI FT232R chip onto our PCB's to provide USB programming for our LPC2148 designs, and this works faultlessly. As an asside we also use a FT323R chip on another board which uses a Rabbit RCM3200 processor which has a much more awkward programming sequence (It changes baudrate on the fly).
>
> So in my experience FTDI USB converters work well, and work with Flash Magic.
>
> Cheers
>
> Martin Honeywill
>
PoUSB12 works well.
LPCs are programmed on max speed 230400
Look for it here: www.poscope.com
regards
Boris
------------------
www.poscope.com home of PoScope USB oscilloscope, PoKeys USB IO board and PoUSB12 USB to UART converter
--- In l..., "mhoneywill" wrote:
>
> > Hi This is from flash magic people OK
> >
> > Hi Jean-Jacques,
> >
> > USB to RS232 cables are a huge pain and often don't work properly.
> > Unfortunately I don't know which ones do work. I would suggest trying a different one or buying a PCI/PCMCIA card with COM ports.
> >
> > regards, Andy
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > JJ
>
> From my experience, some USB to serial converter chips do not bother to implement the DTR and RTS lines correctly. This is ok for phone connection leads etc which to not need these lines. Flash Magic uses these lines to reset the traget and to enable bootloader mode. This is where your problem comes. I have found FTDI chips to be very reliable and work correctly with may different types of programmer software.
>
> We build an FTDI FT232R chip onto our PCB's to provide USB programming for our LPC2148 designs, and this works faultlessly. As an asside we also use a FT323R chip on another board which uses a Rabbit RCM3200 processor which has a much more awkward programming sequence (It changes baudrate on the fly).
>
> So in my experience FTDI USB converters work well, and work with Flash Magic.
>
> Cheers
>
> Martin Honeywill
>
