Actually in my computer, Microsoft Word is one of the softwares that do not
show "Courier" font.  Try opening the Notepad and open a regular text
file,
then select "Font" menu under "Format" and try changing the
font there from
"Courier New" to "Courier" you will see a difference. 
Courier, in my
opinion, is the best font for coding.  I got so used to the font, it
irritates me when I see a code with different font!!!
 
Regards, Omer
 

  _____  


> What is the difference between Courier New and
Courier? I can 
> not see any differences in MS Word. 

> -----Original Message-----
 
> > > IAR the most good compiler for MSP430.
> 
> > Oh yes, it is the goodest.
> 
 [Alex] 
Sorry for my English. Hope you will understand me. I am a rookie in IAR, but
the main mass of my colleagues uses it. They say no other compiler wins the
challenge for the best combination of comfort and optimum code.

Ok, 

> > > > IAR the most good compiler for
MSP430.
> > 
> > > Oh yes, it is the goodest.
> > 
>  [Alex]
> Sorry for my English. Hope you will understand me. I am a 
> rookie in IAR, but the main mass of my colleagues uses it. 
> They say no other compiler wins the challenge for the best 
> combination of comfort and optimum code.

So--heresay, speculation, and secondhand information.

...and so many cracks available on the net for it too, it's great value
for money.

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, and (soon) Atmel AVR processors  

Hi Paul,

we've been using the IAR Starter Kit until today.
But the code is getting bigger and bigger, so we need a full version.

We've already chacked your website. There is a flyer where your company
added some pictures.
The point we are confused about is: (page 2) There is a dropdown list to select
the target. And it looks like it doesn't support the msp430f16x MCUs. Or is
the list not sorted?

Thx

Oliver

________________________________________
Von: Paul Curtis [mailto:plc@plc@...] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. November 2004 09:46
An: msp430@msp4...
Betreff: RE: [msp430] MSP430 C compilers

Ok, 

> > > > IAR the most good compiler for
MSP430.
> > 
> > > Oh yes, it is the goodest.
> > 
> [Alex]
> Sorry for my English. Hope you will understand me. I am a 
> rookie in IAR, but the main mass of my colleagues uses it. 
> They say no other compiler wins the challenge for the best 
> combination of comfort and optimum code.

So--heresay, speculation, and secondhand information.

...and so many cracks available on the net for it too, it's great value
for money.

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, and (soon) Atmel AVR processors 


.










________________________________________
. 

Hi Oliver,

The flyer pics are fairly old (circa a two years ago); we do support all
15x/16x devices in the 1.2.1 software.

Regards,

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, and (soon) Atmel AVR processors  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oliver Rogasch [mailto:o.rogasch@o.ro...] 
> Sent: 24 November 2004 09:59
> To: msp430@msp4...
> Subject: AW: [msp430] MSP430 C compilers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> we've been using the IAR Starter Kit until today.
> But the code is getting bigger and bigger, so we need a full version.
> 
> We've already chacked your website. There is a flyer where 
> your company added some pictures.
> The point we are confused about is: (page 2) There is a 
> dropdown list to select the target. And it looks like it 
> doesn't support the msp430f16x MCUs. Or is the list not sorted?
> 
> Thx
> 
> Oliver
>  
> ________________________________________
> Von: Paul Curtis [mailto:plc@plc@...]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. November 2004 09:46
> An: msp430@msp4...
> Betreff: RE: [msp430] MSP430 C compilers
> 
> Ok, 
> 
> > > > > IAR the most good compiler for MSP430.
> > > 
> > > > Oh yes, it is the goodest.
> > > 
> >  [Alex]
> > Sorry for my English. Hope you will understand me. I am a rookie in 
> > IAR, but the main mass of my colleagues uses it.
> > They say no other compiler wins the challenge for the best 
> combination 
> > of comfort and optimum code.
> 
> So--heresay, speculation, and secondhand information.
> 
> ...and so many cracks available on the net for it too, it's 
> great value for money.
> 
> --
> Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk 
> CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, and (soon) Atmel AVR processors  
> 
> 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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----- Paul Curtis wrote ----- 

Josh,

> > > IAR the most good compiler for MSP430.

> > Oh yes, it is the goodest.

> Why would that be?  Enlighten me.

> > Why can't you also offer a limited
version of your IDE and 
> > with no 30day limit?

> Why should I offer such a thing?

Paul, I understand you, but one case I try to point to you: imagine small firm
needed only for one product line some programing control with a small
alphanumeric display. This firm ask someone to make this SW and expect, that it
can change texts in "printf" (language mutations) by oneself. If this
SW is small enought, they appreciate limited version of IDE and in this specific
case IAR is the winner. Certainly it is not valid for larger systems, but if
this firm starts with IAR.....

Jarda

Paul,

My suggestion on a "limited" version of the compiler
is maybe release a version with a code limit and no
"official" support for a reduced price (in the $250
USD range??).

I think there are a lot of hobbyists/students who
would like to use your tool, but probably can't pony
up $600+ for something they don't use for professional
purposes.

I realize there is msp430-gcc, but tools like yours
really do save time and frustration.

I might add, support on this list is EXCELLENT, it's
really nice to see people actually answering questions
and trying to be helpful!

John.


> ----- Paul Curtis wrote ----- 
> 
> Josh,
> 
> > > > IAR the most good compiler for MSP430.
> 
> > > Oh yes, it is the goodest.
> 
> > Why would that be?  Enlighten me.
> 
> > > Why can't you also offer a limited version of
> your IDE and 
> > > with no 30day limit?
> 
> > Why should I offer such a thing?
> 
> Paul, I understand you, but one case I try to point
> to you: imagine small firm needed only for one
> product line some programing control with a small
> alphanumeric display. This firm ask someone to make
> this SW and expect, that it can change texts in
> "printf" (language mutations) by oneself. If this SW
> is small enought, they appreciate limited version of
> IDE and in this specific case IAR is the winner.
> Certainly it is not valid for larger systems, but if
> this firm starts with IAR.....
> 
> Jarda

> .
> 



		
__________________________________ 
 
 

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:56:18 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>I think there are a lot of hobbyists/students who
>would like to use your tool, but probably can't pony
>up $600+ for something they don't use for professional
>purposes.

Try US$930, or so.  And, probably, rising as time goes by as Europeans continue
to slow down their purchases of USA debt paper:

   October 8, 2004; Page A01
   Washington Post

   ...........
   
   To finance its deficits, the Treasury has increasingly looked to investors 
   overseas, especially foreign governments, to buy U.S. Treasury bonds. But 
   recent economic data suggest foreign buyers may be losing interest, afraid 
   that a sudden drop in the value of the dollar will upend portfolios swollen 
   with U.S. currency.

   According to a Treasury Department report released this month, net foreign 
   purchases of U.S. bonds fell 45 percent in July, to $22.4 billion, while 
   purchases by foreign central banks plummeted 76 percent, to $4 billion -- 
   the lowest levels in a about a year.  Sung Won Sohn, chief economist at 
   Wells Fargo Bank, warned clients recently that foreign governments are 
   already cutting back, leaving the Treasury dependent on unreliable bond 
   traders.

   "The U.S. will rely increasingly on less stable sources of funding and
pay 
   higher interest rates," he said. "It is a fait accompli that the
dollar will 
   depreciate further. The dollar depreciation will lead to higher inflation 
   and interest rates, hurting the economy."

   ..............

Jon

John, 

> My suggestion on a "limited" version of
the compiler is maybe 
> release a version with a code limit and no "official" support 
> for a reduced price (in the $250 USD range??).
> 
> I think there are a lot of hobbyists/students who would like 
> to use your tool, but probably can't pony up $600+ for 
> something they don't use for professional purposes.
> 
> I realize there is msp430-gcc, but tools like yours really do 
> save time and frustration.
> 
> I might add, support on this list is EXCELLENT, it's really 
> nice to see people actually answering questions and trying to 
> be helpful!

We already offer students and educational establishments our software at
just 99 ($150 or maybe a tad more now) which is, err, dirt cheap.
We've sold a number of 10-seat licenses to unis on this basis, and
they're happy.

I reckon the "hobbyist" license is the death knell for a
company--it's
what Introl did before their boar sank.  But I'm always open to
proposals for new licensing schemes...

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, and (soon) Atmel AVR processors  

Hi,

the reality is that commercial toolsets need to sell for a price that allows
the company making/supporting them to at least cover costs (their employees
and owners like to eat too) so that they can continue to support and improve
them as new targets are added, new features required and less satisfactory
aspects of the toolset are improved.  For this reason it is imperative that
companies can charge a price that reflects the cost of the toolset.

Hobbyists will always be on the other side of this equation and it is good
that they do have options such as GCC or the 4K code size limited toolsets
(IAR or AQ430).

I also believe it is fair and reasonable to pay annual support contracts to
continue getting upgrades.

I am, of course, coming from the perspective of a commercial developer who
also likes to be paid for my efforts and my family also likes to be able to
eat.

There is also a place for philanthropy and returning back to society for the
benefits we have received during own lives.

Finding the balance between these is part of our life journey and not
everything can be viewed through the filter of $.

Ray