John, 

> Manipulation of a community news group to unfairly
attack a 
> very good product that will be competing with the product of 
> Curtis is not acceptable, nor is it acceptable for Curtis to 
> attack anyone who dares not to fall into line with the group 
> attitude that him and his product are Gods, Kings or Popes. 
> Although there is something hilarious about self-interested 
> commercial vendors attempting to pull off what appears to be 
> offensive 'genius God' stunts on open community news groups.

I never attacked you personally nor TI's product--check the posts.  I
only objected to the assumption that CCE had industrial strength
conferred on it by derivation from the GNU/Eclipse stable and by an
incorrect assertion that it was based on GCC.  Do I like Eclipse?
Personally, no.

I regularly confer (privately) with two other compiler vendors present
on this forum and I think we have a pretty good relationship.  Hopefully
they, and the countless people I've helped over the few years I've
been
involved in the MSP430, can make an accurate assessment of my character.
(What have you done for the MSP430 community?)

I didn't even mention anything in my original post about CrossWorks,
other than my sig, which I reproduce below.

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, AVR and (soon) MAXQ processors

Hi Darren, 

> hand-bags at 10 paces.. now now ladies

Yeah, I know.  But them, I'm comfortable in my 10" heels and fishnets
on
my days off... ;-)

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, AVR and (soon) MAXQ processors

hand-bags at 10 paces.. now now ladies
 
(".)

-----Original Message-----
From: msp430@msp4... [mailto:msp430@msp4...]On Behalf Of Paul Curtis
Sent: 18 April 2005 09:22
To: msp430@msp4...
Subject: RE: [msp430] Real world test results Re: Code Composer C++


John, 

> Manipulation of a community news group to unfairly
attack a 
> very good product that will be competing with the product of 
> Curtis is not acceptable, nor is it acceptable for Curtis to 
> attack anyone who dares not to fall into line with the group 
> attitude that him and his product are Gods, Kings or Popes. 
> Although there is something hilarious about self-interested 
> commercial vendors attempting to pull off what appears to be 
> offensive 'genius God' stunts on open community news groups.

I never attacked you personally nor TI's product--check the posts.  I
only objected to the assumption that CCE had industrial strength
conferred on it by derivation from the GNU/Eclipse stable and by an
incorrect assertion that it was based on GCC.  Do I like Eclipse?
Personally, no.

I regularly confer (privately) with two other compiler vendors present
on this forum and I think we have a pretty good relationship.  Hopefully
they, and the countless people I've helped over the few years I've
been
involved in the MSP430, can make an accurate assessment of my character.
(What have you done for the MSP430 community?)

I didn't even mention anything in my original post about CrossWorks,
other than my sig, which I reproduce below.

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, AVR and (soon) MAXQ processors


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<pissin' meself larfin'>

-----Original Message-----
From: msp430@msp4... [mailto:msp430@msp4...]On Behalf Of Paul Curtis
Sent: 18 April 2005 09:28
To: msp430@msp4...
Subject: RE: [msp430] Real world test results Re: Code Composer C++


Hi Darren, 

> hand-bags at 10 paces.. now now ladies

Yeah, I know.  But them, I'm comfortable in my 10" heels and fishnets
on
my days off... ;-)

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, AVR and (soon) MAXQ processors


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Hi Richard, 

> At 01:27 AM 4/18/2005, Paul Curtis wrote:
> 
> 
> >Hi Darren,
> >
> > > hand-bags at 10 paces.. now now ladies
> >
> >Yeah, I know.  But them, I'm comfortable in my 10" heels and 
> fishnets 
> >on my days off... ;-)
> >
> 
> I'm a lumberjack, I'm OK. I sleep all nights and work all days!
> I cut down trees, I skip and jump, I like to pick wildflowers 
> I put on women's clothing, and hang around in bars!
> 
> Geez Paul, that may just be "too much information :-)"

So, fancy your chances then, Richard?  ;-)

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, AVR and (soon) MAXQ processors

At 01:27 AM 4/18/2005, Paul Curtis wrote:


>Hi Darren,
>
> > hand-bags at 10 paces.. now now ladies
>
>Yeah, I know.  But them, I'm comfortable in my 10" heels and
fishnets on
>my days off... ;-)
>

I'm a lumberjack, I'm OK. I sleep all nights and work all days!
I cut down trees, I skip and jump, I like to pick wildflowers
I put on women's clothing, and hang around in bars!

Geez Paul, that may just be "too much information :-)"


// richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please 
use richard at imagecraft.com) 

Now that's a photo you have to post. You post yours and I'll post
mine! 
Photo in fishnet stockings I mean. I miss those rowdy new years eve 
parties we had back home.

Al

Paul Curtis wrote:

>Hi Darren, 
>
>  
>
>>hand-bags at 10 paces.. now now ladies
>>    
>>
>
>Yeah, I know.  But them, I'm comfortable in my 10" heels and
fishnets on
>my days off... ;-)
>
>--
>Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
>CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, AVR and (soon) MAXQ processors
>
>
>.
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

Hi Al, John and (inferred) Paul,

> Maybe unbalanced, certainly opinionated, after all
without an opinion 
> why bother posting. And I fail to see what point you actually got to. 
> Look over the history of posts in this group and you will see that your 
> 100% C-Spy reliability, the main thing I disputed, does not match the 
> findings of a lot of members here, therefore your testing was 
> inadequate. If that test was inadequate, and failed to show up C-Spys 
> shortcomings (and everything has them, making any 100% result 
> suspicious) and it was the same test applied to your other
'facts' then 
> they too must be suspect. Yes it was opinionated. My opinion is that you 
> are trying to pass off personal bias as hard fact. The evidence supports 
> it. Motive? who knows? Perhaps you got caught with your knickers down 
> making a few wrong statements and, rather than backing off gracefully, 
> got embroiled in an indefensible position.

My opinion :

I don't really see what point (if any) John has conveyed.
The whole debate is convoluted at the least.

My view point :

John states he has hard facts.
Well, I don't think so !

1)    C-spy comes out as 100% reliable
       Have you ever __tried__ to design a reasonable project on C-spy.
       It is a guaranteed one-way ticket to a looney bin as far as I'm
concerned.

2)    John states as a prelude to his "facts" :
       " Here are some results using the same PC and same MSP430 FET on a
small MSP430 with a small amount of code "
       .... and for his "results" he's referring to a
CrossConnect, despite stating all tests used a FET.
       John, do you even know what a CrossConnect is ???

Anyway, I don't want to and don't have to immerse any further, but
this whole bunch of bullshit seems
biased to buggary......

-- Kris

Darren, 

> the uvver day, i went to get two packs ov staples
out the 
> stationary cubberd, but there was only 1.... what a fookin' 
> day that woz

Have you ever considered a change in career to, say, comedy?  I'm sure
one of those late night shows on would suit you down to the ground.  :-)

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd  http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, AVR and (soon) MAXQ processors

the uvver day, i went to get two packs ov staples out the stationary
cubberd, but there was only 1.... what a fookin' day that woz

-----Original Message-----
From: msp430@msp4... [mailto:msp430@msp4...]On Behalf Of microbit
Sent: 18 April 2005 10:35
To: msp430@msp4...
Subject: Re: [msp430] Real world test results Re: Code Composer C++


Hi Al, John and (inferred) Paul,

> Maybe unbalanced, certainly opinionated, after all
without an opinion 
> why bother posting. And I fail to see what point you actually got to. 
> Look over the history of posts in this group and you will see that your 
> 100% C-Spy reliability, the main thing I disputed, does not match the 
> findings of a lot of members here, therefore your testing was 
> inadequate. If that test was inadequate, and failed to show up C-Spys 
> shortcomings (and everything has them, making any 100% result 
> suspicious) and it was the same test applied to your other
'facts' then 
> they too must be suspect. Yes it was opinionated. My opinion is that you 
> are trying to pass off personal bias as hard fact. The evidence supports 
> it. Motive? who knows? Perhaps you got caught with your knickers down 
> making a few wrong statements and, rather than backing off gracefully, 
> got embroiled in an indefensible position.

My opinion :

I don't really see what point (if any) John has conveyed.
The whole debate is convoluted at the least.

My view point :

John states he has hard facts.
Well, I don't think so !

1)    C-spy comes out as 100% reliable
       Have you ever __tried__ to design a reasonable project on C-spy.
       It is a guaranteed one-way ticket to a looney bin as far as I'm
concerned.

2)    John states as a prelude to his "facts" :
       " Here are some results using the same PC and same MSP430 FET on a
small MSP430 with a small amount of code "
       .... and for his "results" he's referring to a
CrossConnect, despite stating all tests used a FET.
       John, do you even know what a CrossConnect is ???

Anyway, I don't want to and don't have to immerse any further, but
this whole bunch of bullshit seems
biased to buggary......

-- Kris








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