Warp 13a upgrade to bluepole
Started by ●April 12, 2005
I'm working on a project using the new 12F683 PIC and discovered that
I need to upgrade my trusty Warp 13a programmer.
Presently I'm at Redback 11 with a 4 Mhz resonator. Do I just program
the bluepole hex file to a new PIC18F252 with my present setup then
make the mods to the programmer (20 Mhz res, .1uF bypass caps at the
socket)?
Would appreciate hearing from someone who's done it already.
Mike B
Reply by ●April 13, 20052005-04-13
I have made the upgrade but it was a gigantic PITA. Eventually, I
gave up and bought the melabs serial programmer to write the PIC for
the Warp13A. It finally works again. About as 'more or less' as it
always did. I still don't think it will program a 16F57. I had to
buy an additional chip specific adapter dongle for the melabs unit to
get that device programmed.
There are very specific instructions on the web site
(www.newfoundelectronics.com) - you have to program a user supplied
18F252 with the new hex file using the existing programmer and
software. Once you are certain you have the chip properly programmed,
you need to change the ceramic resonator to 20 MHz, install the new
chip and upgrade your software. All that assumes that your current
incantation will actually program an 18F252.
If you upgrade the software before you have an updated chip, you are
out of luck. I haven't found down level software available at the
site so you better save the originals of what you have.
You might want to read http://www.newfoundelectronics.com/contact.htm
before you spend a lot of time on the Warp13a. --- In piclist@picl..., "bergweed" <mikeberg@r...> wrote:
>
> I'm working on a project using the new 12F683 PIC and discovered that
> I need to upgrade my trusty Warp 13a programmer.
> Presently I'm at Redback 11 with a 4 Mhz resonator. Do I just program
> the bluepole hex file to a new PIC18F252 with my present setup then
> make the mods to the programmer (20 Mhz res, .1uF bypass caps at the
> socket)?
> Would appreciate hearing from someone who's done it already.
>
> Mike B
Reply by ●April 13, 20052005-04-13
sounds like a real PITA messing around upgrading i use Quasar
electronics 3149C - USB & Serial Port PIC Programmer it is awesome and
was very cheep @ 35 for the kit, it supports over 120 differnt pics 8
pin to 40 pin and more are added regularly just download a file to
update your pic list, firmware updates are easy as it uses a 16F628A
very common and cheep ( i got 3 free samples from microchip ) just pop
it in, programme the firmware switch off swap the 16F628A's. Worth
every of one of my hard earned pennys --- In piclist@picl..., "bergweed" <mikeberg@r...> wrote:
>
> I'm working on a project using the new 12F683 PIC and discovered that
> I need to upgrade my trusty Warp 13a programmer.
> Presently I'm at Redback 11 with a 4 Mhz resonator. Do I just program
> the bluepole hex file to a new PIC18F252 with my present setup then
> make the mods to the programmer (20 Mhz res, .1uF bypass caps at the
> socket)?
> Would appreciate hearing from someone who's done it already.
>
> Mike B
Reply by ●April 14, 20052005-04-14
--- In piclist@picl..., "bergweed" <mikeberg@r...> wrote:
>
> I'm working on a project using the new 12F683 PIC and discovered that
> I need to upgrade my trusty Warp 13a programmer.
> Presently I'm at Redback 11 with a 4 Mhz resonator. Do I just program
> the bluepole hex file to a new PIC18F252 with my present setup then
> make the mods to the programmer (20 Mhz res, .1uF bypass caps at the
> socket)?
> Would appreciate hearing from someone who's done it already.
>
Another option is buying a preprogrammed PIC...
http://www.phanderson.com/ordering_1.html
Reply by ●April 14, 20052005-04-14
I tried that approach also. Somehow I was still crossed up between
the firmware and the software. This was NOT Peter Anderson's fault -
strictly mine.
The price was fair and the service was good.
But what's this off the wall naming convention? Everyone else on the
planet uses version numbers...
I guess, in the end, I have about decided to write off the Warp13a.
No support, no future upgrades and less than adequate performance. In
my view it isn't worth the effort to even try to keep current.
--- In piclist@picl..., "Scott Lee" <midl_man@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In piclist@picl..., "bergweed" <mikeberg@r...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm working on a project using the new 12F683 PIC and discovered
that
> > I need to upgrade my trusty Warp 13a programmer.
> > Presently I'm at Redback 11 with a 4 Mhz resonator. Do I just
program
> > the bluepole hex file to a new PIC18F252 with my present setup then
> > make the mods to the programmer (20 Mhz res, .1uF bypass caps at
the
> > socket)?
> > Would appreciate hearing from someone who's done it already.
> >
>
> Another option is buying a preprogrammed PIC...
>
> http://www.phanderson.com/ordering_1.html
Reply by ●April 14, 20052005-04-14
Thanks for the replies.
Sounds like a lot of folks less than happy with their Warp-13
programmers. So far, I've really liked mine.
I just ordered a PIC18F252 from DigiKey altho I see I could have
gotten a preprogrammed chip from
http://www.phanderson.com/ordering_1.html for what I paid. I bought my
last upgrade there and service was top notch.
Anyway, I'll let the group know how I fare programming my own and
doing
the mods etc.
73
Mike B N0QBH
Reply by ●April 15, 20052005-04-15
A comment on digi - the cheapest 252 I could see there was $8.80
Mouser has the PIC18F252 I/SO and I/SP versions for $5.70 In
general I never buy stuff from digi unless they are the only ones that
carry it - they are almost always much more expensive than Mouser in
quantities of 100 or less.
Also, with Mouser, if you buy small quantities of light stuff and take
first class shipping, you will pay less than $6 and get it in a couple
of days. My last order weighed about 1/2 lb, cost < $4 shipping and
took 3 days from order to delivery.
--- In piclist@picl..., "bergweed" <mikeberg@r...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the replies.
> Sounds like a lot of folks less than happy with their Warp-13
> programmers. So far, I've really liked mine.
> I just ordered a PIC18F252 from DigiKey altho I see I could have
> gotten a preprogrammed chip from
> http://www.phanderson.com/ordering_1.html for what I paid. I bought my
> last upgrade there and service was top notch.
> Anyway, I'll let the group know how I fare programming my own and
> doing
> the mods etc.
> 73
> Mike B N0QBH
Reply by ●April 16, 20052005-04-16
I have bought from Mouser a few times but I don't think much of
their web site as compared to Digikey. Digikey is my primary
supplier simply because they can fill the entire order. Mouser
doesn't seem to have the diversity of products.
If it is available, I always use USPS Priority Mail. It's cheaper
and faster than UPS ground. Three days from Minnesota - order
submission to box in hand.
--- In piclist@picl..., "Phil" <phil1960us@y...> wrote:
>
> A comment on digi - the cheapest 252 I could see there was $8.80
> Mouser has the PIC18F252 I/SO and I/SP versions for $5.70 In
> general I never buy stuff from digi unless they are the only ones
that
> carry it - they are almost always much more expensive than Mouser
in
> quantities of 100 or less.
>
> Also, with Mouser, if you buy small quantities of light stuff and
take
> first class shipping, you will pay less than $6 and get it in a
couple
> of days. My last order weighed about 1/2 lb, cost < $4 shipping
and
> took 3 days from order to delivery.
>
> --- In piclist@picl..., "bergweed" <mikeberg@r...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the replies.
> > Sounds like a lot of folks less than happy with their Warp-13
> > programmers. So far, I've really liked mine.
> > I just ordered a PIC18F252 from DigiKey altho I see I could have
> > gotten a preprogrammed chip from
> > http://www.phanderson.com/ordering_1.html for what I paid. I
bought my
> > last upgrade there and service was top notch.
> > Anyway, I'll let the group know how I fare programming my own and
> > doing
> > the mods etc.
> > 73
> > Mike B N0QBH
Reply by ●April 16, 20052005-04-16
--- In piclist@picl..., "rtstofer" <rstofer@p...> wrote:
>
>
> I have bought from Mouser a few times but I don't think much of
> their web site as compared to Digikey. Digikey is my primary
> supplier simply because they can fill the entire order. Mouser
> doesn't seem to have the diversity of products.
I agree that digi's parametric search is a lot better than mouser's
part number search. For a 30% discount, I'll live with it though.
By the way, digi's search could stand some improvement. like LEDs -
you can't select by wavelength but by color which is (I think) the
manufacturer's description. Mosfet parametrics lacks Vgt and Rds in
the search - you still have to slog through a long list once you
select amps and voltage.
While digi does carry some lines that mouser doesn't, in general, I
find mouser to be pretty complete. I use mouser to stock up on the
common parts. It appears to me that digikey tries to discourage the
small quantity orders.
Reply by ●April 16, 20052005-04-16
> While digi does carry some lines that mouser doesn't, in general, I
> find mouser to be pretty complete. I use mouser to stock up on the
> common parts. It appears to me that digikey tries to discourage the
> small quantity orders.
I have started playing with Atmel chips. The ATmega16 in 40 pin
PDIP at Mouser is $6.75, at Digikey $6.77. One variation of the
ATmega128 is $15.99 at Mouser and $15.05 at Digikey. Neither
difference is a deal breaker.
It is probably worth the time to price both places but in terms of
splitting the order, shipping from two places will eat up the
difference. At least on my small orders. I also refuse to have
shipping more than 10% of my order. So, I buy extra parts, stock
parts, whatever it takes to get the order into the $50 bracket. Not
because of Digikey's handling fee for orders below $25, just because
I don't want to see shipping as a significant part of my expense.
I suspect that their prices are a function of their total volume in
the products of the various manufacturers. It wouldn't surprise me
to see one or the other lower on certain items, higher on others.
Both carry high quality, first rate product.
I don't think you can categorically state that Mouser is 30% less -
it depends on the product. But it might be worth the time to
compare... Or not...
