ATtiny10, programmed and blinking

Hi

it's blinking it's blinking, Atmel's SOT23-6 packaged processor
ATtiny10

I have had the samples on my desk for some good months already
but never got the time to find a programming solution, til today !
well I got some small PCBs from the fab, where I soldered the tiny10
and then well as many times before I had to make the programming
solution
alright this time I only modified some source converting it from LPT
to USB
the conversion was done within 2 hours, then some wire soldering..
and the tiny10 was identified, programmed and started to blink the LED
on the board

I hope I can offer the software (need some cleanup first) after the
embedded
ok, within some timeframe after :)

Antti

On Feb 28, 8:49=A0am, Antti <antti.luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> it's blinking it's blinking, Atmel's SOT23-6 packaged processor ATtiny10

Interesting part, but whenever we've looked at SOT23 uC, they are
always pin-bound.
Even 8 pin ones bump into the pin-count, so I've always believed a
smarter limit, is 14 pins.

Atmel also overlooked ANY xtal modes (?!) in the Tiny10, and it is no
longer that cheap (~55c/10K)

Contrast that, with the newest MSP430s
- 128 bytes RAM vs 32
- 14 Pins, [;)] 10 IO, in TSOP14, and 4mm MLF16
- 25c/100k, or 37c/1K
- It DOES have a 32Khz Xtal mode
(downside: Narrow Vcc range)

- So this part can make a smart RTC/System Monitor
(for that. you'd likely choose the 46c SPI variant,
or the 49c ADC model, where TI _did_ remember to
include a temperature sensor!! )

-jg

On 3 Mar, 20:30, -jg <jim.granvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 8:49=A0am, Antti <antti.luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi
>
> > it's blinking it's blinking, Atmel's SOT23-6 packaged processor ATtiny1=
0
>
> Interesting part, but whenever we've looked at SOT23 uC, they are
> always pin-bound.
> Even 8 pin ones bump into the pin-count, so I've always believed a
> smarter limit, is 14 pins.
>
> Atmel also overlooked ANY xtal modes (?!) in the Tiny10, and it is no
> longer that cheap (~55c/10K)
>
> Contrast that, with the newest MSP430s
> - 128 bytes RAM vs 32
> - 14 Pins, [;)] 10 IO, in TSOP14, and 4mm MLF16
> - 25c/100k, or 37c/1K
> - It DOES have a 32Khz Xtal mode
> (downside: Narrow Vcc range)
>
> - So this part can make a smart RTC/System Monitor
> (for that. you'd likely choose the 46c SPI variant,
> or the 49c ADC model, where TI _did_ remember to
> include a temperature sensor!! )
>
> -jg

Someone on the AVR Freaks forum has written some programming software
for them.

Leon

On 3 Mar, 20:30, -jg <jim.granvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 8:49=A0am, Antti <antti.luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>

>
> Atmel also overlooked ANY xtal modes (?!) in the Tiny10, and it is no
> longer that cheap (~55c/10K)

An NXP ARM Cortex-M0 chip only costs 10c more - 65c/10k!

Leon

On Mar 4, 12:44=A0am, Leon <leon...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 3 Mar, 20:30, -jg <jim.granvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 28, 8:49=A0am, Antti <antti.luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hi
>
> > > it's blinking it's blinking, Atmel's SOT23-6 packaged processor ATtin=
y10
>
> > Interesting part, but whenever we've looked at SOT23 uC, they are
> > always pin-bound.
> > Even 8 pin ones bump into the pin-count, so I've always believed a
> > smarter limit, is 14 pins.
>
> > Atmel also overlooked ANY xtal modes (?!) in the Tiny10, and it is no
> > longer that cheap (~55c/10K)
>
> > Contrast that, with the newest MSP430s
> > - 128 bytes RAM vs 32
> > - 14 Pins, [;)] 10 IO, in TSOP14, and 4mm MLF16
> > - 25c/100k, or 37c/1K
> > - It DOES have a 32Khz Xtal mode
> > (downside: Narrow Vcc range)
>
> > - So this part can make a smart RTC/System Monitor
> > (for that. you'd likely choose the 46c SPI variant,
> > or the 49c ADC model, where TI _did_ remember to
> > include a temperature sensor!! )
>
> > -jg
>
> Someone on the AVR Freaks forum has written some programming software
> for them.
>
> Leon

there was 100% russian language version of some code that uses some
unknown LPT driver library that does not support PCI LPT ports, so I
do not think its a very easy to use solution...

Antti

On Mar 4, 9:30=A0am, -jg <jim.granvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Atmel also overlooked ANY xtal modes (?!) in the Tiny10, and it is no
> longer that cheap (~55c/10K)
>
> Contrast that, with the newest MSP430s
> - 128 bytes RAM vs 32
> - 14 Pins, [;)] 10 IO, in TSOP14, and 4mm MLF16
> - 25c/100k, or 37c/1K
> - It DOES have a 32Khz Xtal mode
> (downside: Narrow Vcc range)
>
> - So this part can make a smart RTC/System Monitor
> (for that. you'd likely choose the 46c SPI variant,
> or the 49c ADC model, where TI _did_ remember to
> include a temperature sensor!! )

and some more references at that (almost) same 55c
price point, this one moves a column, but does have
more Flash, more ram, more timers, and
is quite a new step for Lumbering Infineon into a
low-price pool. There are many Asian vendors with
small 8051's, but it is good to see a serious industrial/automotive
vendor hit the low price points.

["XC82x and XC83x series ranges from 2KB to 8KB of programmable flash
and from 16-pin to 28-pin...
 prices range from Euro 0.39 (US $0.55) to Euro 0.72 (US $1.01) in
100k quantities. Engineering samples of the XC82x series are
available, samples of the XC83X series starting April 2010."]

-jg

On Mar 5, 11:53=A0pm, -jg <jim.granvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 9:30=A0am, -jg <jim.granvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Atmel also overlooked ANY xtal modes (?!) in the Tiny10, and it is no
> > longer that cheap (~55c/10K)
>
> > Contrast that, with the newest MSP430s
> > - 128 bytes RAM vs 32
> > - 14 Pins, [;)] 10 IO, in TSOP14, and 4mm MLF16
> > - 25c/100k, or 37c/1K
> > - It DOES have a 32Khz Xtal mode
> > (downside: Narrow Vcc range)
>
> > - So this part can make a smart RTC/System Monitor
> > (for that. you'd likely choose the 46c SPI variant,
> > or the 49c ADC model, where TI _did_ remember to
> > include a temperature sensor!! )
>
> and some more references at that (almost) same 55c
> price point, this one moves a column, but does have
> more Flash, more ram, more timers, and
> is quite a new step for Lumbering Infineon into a
> low-price pool. There are many Asian vendors with
> small 8051's, but it is good to see a serious industrial/automotive
> vendor hit the low price points.
>
> ["XC82x and XC83x series ranges from 2KB to 8KB of programmable flash
> and from 16-pin to 28-pin...
> =A0prices range from Euro 0.39 (US $0.55) to Euro 0.72 (US $1.01) in
> 100k quantities. Engineering samples of the XC82x series are
> available, samples of the XC83X series starting April 2010."]
>
> -jg

there was free give away of XC822 based development boards on embedded

Antti

On Mar 6, 8:59=A0pm, Antti <antti.luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 11:53=A0pm, -jg <jim.granvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 9:30=A0am, -jg <jim.granvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Atmel also overlooked ANY xtal modes (?!) in the Tiny10, and it is no
> > > longer that cheap (~55c/10K)
>
> > > Contrast that, with the newest MSP430s
> > > - 128 bytes RAM vs 32
> > > - 14 Pins, [;)] 10 IO, in TSOP14, and 4mm MLF16
> > > - 25c/100k, or 37c/1K
> > > - It DOES have a 32Khz Xtal mode
> > > (downside: Narrow Vcc range)
>
> > > - So this part can make a smart RTC/System Monitor
> > > (for that. you'd likely choose the 46c SPI variant,
> > > or the 49c ADC model, where TI _did_ remember to
> > > include a temperature sensor!! )
>
> > and some more references at that (almost) same 55c
> > price point, this one moves a column, but does have
> > more Flash, more ram, more timers, and
> > is quite a new step for Lumbering Infineon into a
> > low-price pool. There are many Asian vendors with
> > small 8051's, but it is good to see a serious industrial/automotive
> > vendor hit the low price points.
>
> > ["XC82x and XC83x series ranges from 2KB to 8KB of programmable flash
> > and from 16-pin to 28-pin...
> > =A0prices range from Euro 0.39 (US $0.55) to Euro 0.72 (US $1.01) in
> > 100k quantities. Engineering samples of the XC82x series are
> > available, samples of the XC83X series starting April 2010."]
>
> > -jg
>
> there was free give away of XC822 based development boards on embedded

Did you score some ?

Scanning the data: nice devices, extremely well resourced for a
TSSOP16 pin device; unlike TI.
they are 5.5V and can drive power fets directly.
They also have ECC flash!.

A couple of minor design decisions have me ???
* They have RTC, and good RTC HW, but 'forgot' to
include a Crystal support - just one RTCIN pin ?
(also no HF crystal support - perhaps unreliable?)
* BOD protects the core, but seems not settable above
~2.9V
- A ~4.5V setpoint would be good for mosfet drive protection ?

The ADC is fast, so perhaps that is for SOA usage ?

Some good ROM features, but unclear if the non MDU models have still-
working MathLibs?

-jg




-jg

On Mar 6, 11:14=A0pm, -jg <jim.granvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 6, 8:59=A0pm, Antti <antti.luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 5, 11:53=A0pm, -jg <jim.granvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 4, 9:30=A0am, -jg <jim.granvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Atmel also overlooked ANY xtal modes (?!) in the Tiny10, and it is =
no
> > > > longer that cheap (~55c/10K)
>
> > > > Contrast that, with the newest MSP430s
> > > > - 128 bytes RAM vs 32
> > > > - 14 Pins, [;)] 10 IO, in TSOP14, and 4mm MLF16
> > > > - 25c/100k, or 37c/1K
> > > > - It DOES have a 32Khz Xtal mode
> > > > (downside: Narrow Vcc range)
>
> > > > - So this part can make a smart RTC/System Monitor
> > > > (for that. you'd likely choose the 46c SPI variant,
> > > > or the 49c ADC model, where TI _did_ remember to
> > > > include a temperature sensor!! )
>
> > > and some more references at that (almost) same 55c
> > > price point, this one moves a column, but does have
> > > more Flash, more ram, more timers, and
> > > is quite a new step for Lumbering Infineon into a
> > > low-price pool. There are many Asian vendors with
> > > small 8051's, but it is good to see a serious industrial/automotive
> > > vendor hit the low price points.
>
> > > ["XC82x and XC83x series ranges from 2KB to 8KB of programmable flash
> > > and from 16-pin to 28-pin...
> > > =A0prices range from Euro 0.39 (US $0.55) to Euro 0.72 (US $1.01) in
> > > 100k quantities. Engineering samples of the XC82x series are
> > > available, samples of the XC83X series starting April 2010."]
>
> > > -jg
>
> > there was free give away of XC822 based development boards on embedded
>
> Did you score some ?
>
> Scanning the data: nice devices, extremely well resourced for a
> TSSOP16 pin device; unlike TI.
> they are 5.5V and can drive power fets directly.
> They also have ECC flash!.
>
> A couple of minor design decisions have me ???
> * They have RTC, and good RTC HW, but 'forgot' to
> include a Crystal support - just one RTCIN pin ?
> (also no HF crystal support - perhaps unreliable?)
> * BOD protects the core, but seems not settable above
> ~2.9V
> - A ~4.5V setpoint would be good for mosfet drive protection ?
>
> The ADC is fast, so perhaps that is for SOA usage ?
>
> Some good ROM features, but unclear if the non MDU models have still-
> working MathLibs?
>
> -jg
>
> -jg

hm, I wasnt hunting much :)

i scored:
- XC822 touch demo (includes FT232 based programmer)
- renesas "rtos evaluatuor" ? H8S, + sram, made as USB dongle, assumed
with some loader
- st8 discovery kit OF COURSE (includes STM32 based programmer)
- silabs ir slider kit (c8051f326 based programmer + silabs mcu + ir
detectorstuff)
- some NEC kit with LCD (maybe also with onboard programmer, need
check out)

some pencil's and one non digital memory device :)
(paper based notebook!)

Antti

>>> there was free give away of XC822 based development boards on embedded


I must have missed something, What is a XC822 ?

thanks

hamilton