Connection in exterior concrete pad

On Sep 12, 11:08=A0pm, 1 Lucky Texan <1luckyte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose it's too late to consider power over ethernet or, gulp, some
> kinda domotics like X10?

I think when we hit the 1kW mark for power requirements it ruled out
POE.

I looking at some wireless possibilities for the network.  If that
looks
feasible that would just leave the power.

Robert

Hi Robert,

On 9/13/2011 7:53 AM, Robert Adsett wrote:
> On Sep 12, 11:08 pm, 1 Lucky Texan<1luckyte...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> I suppose it's too late to consider power over ethernet or, gulp, some
>> kinda domotics like X10?
>
> I think when we hit the 1kW mark for power requirements it ruled out
> POE.
>
> I looking at some wireless possibilities for the network.  If that
> looks feasible that would just leave the power.

You might also want to look at *fiber*.  You might
be able to run this *in* the same box as the power
since it is "just a piece of plastic"

(I am not knowledgeable enough to give an opinion)

Hi George,

On 9/12/2011 9:23 PM, George Neuner wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:09:53 -0700, Don Y<nowhere@here.com>  wrote:
>
>>> But then periodically the regs change for no apparent reason other
>>> than to stimulate business for electricians and suppliers.  You
>>> compare the old and new regs and it's obvious that the new is not
>>> safer in any way - it's just different enough that existing
>>> installations have to be "fixed".
>>
>> I don't know how "real" that scenario is.  I.e., as a kid, I recall
>> hearing (I hung around with lots of tradesmen) that any wiring that
>> was NOT up to the latest code had to be upgraded *to* that code.
>> It struck me, then, as silly:  "Who the hell will ever hire an
>> electrician to install an extra receptacle if that electrician is
>> then going to turn around and say, 'I'm sorry, sir, but I have
>> to remove all this K&T wiring and replace it with _______'?"
>
> There now are several states that require inspection for home sales
> and where either the seller or buyer *must* agree to fix any code
> violations or the home will lose its occupancy permit.

I think that only applies to "violations" but not "grandfathered"
(whether explicitly or not) conditions.

E.g., if you built your house in the 50's, you didn't run an
"earth" with the current carrying conductors.  Rewiring an
entire house to *add* that just because you sold it in 2011
would make it impractical to *ever* sell a house.

> In most states, though, home sales still are caveat emptor.

Here, I think the seller is "on the hook" for 5 years after
the sale (e.g., if the house burns down and they determine
it was due to wiring problems, the seller can be sued)

>> Has anyone any experience with this from a *business location"
>> point of view?  I.e., perhaps there they are bigger "sticklers"
>> for these details?
>
> Business and occupancy permits don't transfer with a commercial sale,
> so commercial properties can be sold with code violations because the
> new owner will need to get new permits anyway.

What I meant was, if you own a business and have some electrical
work done, will the inspector say, "Gee, this *other* stuff is
only current to the 2005 Code and you will have to upgrade it
all to 2011 Code..."

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:13:53 -0700, Don Y <nowhere@here.com> wrote:

>Hi Robert,
>
>On 9/13/2011 7:53 AM, Robert Adsett wrote:
>> On Sep 12, 11:08 pm, 1 Lucky Texan<1luckyte...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> I suppose it's too late to consider power over ethernet or, gulp, some
>>> kinda domotics like X10?
>>
>> I think when we hit the 1kW mark for power requirements it ruled out
>> POE.
>>
>> I looking at some wireless possibilities for the network.  If that
>> looks feasible that would just leave the power.
>
>You might also want to look at *fiber*.  You might
>be able to run this *in* the same box as the power
>since it is "just a piece of plastic"


Fiber often is exempt, although there are exceptions (some armored
cables, for example, are conductive).  But it does vary by local code,
so check that first.  Fiber is also admirably resistant to electrical
noise, which can be an issue in that sort of installation.  It also
nicely isolates any gear attached to whatever is going on this pad.

Hi Robert,

On 9/13/2011 5:19 PM, Robert Wessel wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:13:53 -0700, Don Y<nowhere@here.com>  wrote:
>
>> On 9/13/2011 7:53 AM, Robert Adsett wrote:

>>> I looking at some wireless possibilities for the network.  If that
>>> looks feasible that would just leave the power.
>>
>> You might also want to look at *fiber*.  You might
>> be able to run this *in* the same box as the power
>> since it is "just a piece of plastic"
>
> Fiber often is exempt, although there are exceptions (some armored
> cables, for example, are conductive).  But it does vary by local code,

Ah, good point!

> so check that first.  Fiber is also admirably resistant to electrical
> noise, which can be an issue in that sort of installation.  It also
> nicely isolates any gear attached to whatever is going on this pad.

The last point being especially significant in terms of susceptibility
to "bounce" from nearby lightning strikes, etc.  For those cases
where you "forgot" to disconnect the equipment on the other end of
the line...